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Santana
06.03.2006., 17:57
Kaj se tice te nashe mrtve macke...
Mene fascinira kaj su Austrijanci isli rutinski testirat naizgled zdrave zivotinje, i to ne samo ptice (sve ptice su, klasika, odma pobili). To je prvi put da cujem da netko radi nekaj takvo, obicno se testira tek kad krepaju, a kod nas ni to.
Jes da ce Austrijanci imat sad sranje zbog toga i podosta za objasnjavat, ali Boze moj, desilo bi se prije ili kasnije. Ne veli Boxun bezveze "Birds and beasts flu" ;)
Santana
06.03.2006., 18:02
ma glupo je clanak napisan, u prvi mah sam shvatila da je skloniste na podrucju gdje se javila gripa, a ne da su oni labudovi bas iz tog sklonista....mozda su to macke lutalice ili izgubljene (veljaca je bila!) skupljane s tog podrucja pomijesane s ovih 170 koje su u karanteni (ima tu i domacih, donesenih iz kuce i nadjenih i starosjedilaca iz sklonista )......
Pa cak i da je to, da su dopeljane naknadno, Austrijanci (kakvi vec jesu) sigurno imaju zapise kad je koja macka unisla.
Inace neznam jel ovo bilo postano prije, ali je indikativno:
German officials have warned pet owners to keep their cats indoors and dogs on a leash in areas where the disease has been detected.
To je jos od onog Njemackog otkrivanja virusa. Nasi ko da su smetnuli s uma tu mogucnost.
Santana
06.03.2006., 18:05
Btw. cini se da nisu dopeljane naknadno. Dvije su cak i ozdravile. Proslo je 17. dana od 17tog drugog. After death from the Mur of saved swan it had in the tierheim to 17. February bird flu alarm given: The entire existence of feather/spring cattle was put to sleep. Like the investigations to show should, 14 animals carried - swans, Ducks, Chickens and a goose - the virus in itself. "for safety's sake" also with cats mucous membrane reductions were taken in a random sampling way." Istestirali su ih 17tog, za svaki slucaj.
Pardon, sada neki source kaze da su ih istestirali 22gog, za svaki slucaj, jer su bili blizu pticama. Spominju kontaminiranu hranu kao moguci izvor zaraze.
Nadam se da kad tako randomly testiraju macke da su testirali i ljude koji su bili u dodiru s mackama/pticama.
Usput: jeste vidjeli one ljudske slucajeve u Azerbejdzanu i Dagestanu..iako nitko nista ne potvrdjuje mislim da se i u Rusiji ( tj starom SSRU-u) pocelo sirit na ljude
Santana
06.03.2006., 22:00
OK, sad reuters javlja da su testirali nasumce 40 od 170 macaka. Testirala se slina. Tri su ispale pozitivne. Sad one dvije koje su navodno ozdravile, stavljaju u kategoriju nisu nikad ni imale, tj. test je bio false positive (toliko o testovima!). Ova jedna je i dalje pozitivna, ali i asimptomaticna (hura, samo nam je to falilo). Svih 170 macaka je sad u karanteni i promatranju, a osim njih testiraju i 200 pasa iz sklonista. E sad, tu bi se jos moglo izvuc i nesto korisnih zakljucaka, promatrajuci tih 170 macaka. Mozda se rijesi misterij kako se prenio u onih par cudnih slucajeva u Indoneziji. Sam ak nebudu petljali sa slinom, zvadite im krv da znamo na cemu smo.
OK, sad reuters javlja da su testirali nasumce 40 od 170 macaka. Testirala se slina. Tri su ispale pozitivne. Sad one dvije koje su navodno ozdravile, stavljaju u kategoriju nisu nikad ni imale, tj. test je bio false positive (toliko o testovima!). Ova jedna je i dalje pozitivna, ali i asimptomaticna (hura, samo nam je to falilo). Svih 170 macaka je sad u karanteni i promatranju, a osim njih testiraju i 200 pasa iz sklonista. E sad, tu bi se jos moglo izvuc i nesto korisnih zakljucaka, promatrajuci tih 170 macaka. Mozda se rijesi misterij kako se prenio u onih par cudnih slucajeva u Indoneziji. Sam ak nebudu petljali sa slinom, zvadite im krv da znamo na cemu smo.
Saliva samples from 40 of the cats were tested for H5N1 after the outbreak at the "Noah's Ark" sanctuary in the city of Graz. Initial tests were positive for three of them, but later tests confirmed the virus only in one.
ovo se ponavlja turska, naopacke, u macjoj verziji? prvo u gornjim dišnim putevima, pa nestane (ili ce se spustiti nize+viremija, ili se macke ni nece razboliti, nego je samo bila u kontaktu s virusom?). treba uzimati briseve i serum, opetovano.
sad nemaju izbora, moraju drzati macke par tjedana i vaditi krv, da li je doslo do serokonverzije, tj pratiti titar ev. antitijela. mislim da bez toga ni ne smiju raspustiti karantenu....uzdam se u germansku pedantnost :), svasta se tu moze zakljuciti i nauciti i prilika je nekome za dobar znanstveni rad....pa ce vjerojatno napraviti sve kak treba.
btw...tesko ce udomiti te macke nakon karantene :)
moze meni netko ukratko reci kaj pise u tom boxun reportu? pisalo se tu prije da to bas mozda i nije najpouzdanije...
glede djece, frka u americi je nastala 2002. ili 2003., pronaci cu ti tocno, kad im je umrlo stotinjak zdrave djece od gripe. sva su bila ispod 2 godine. nisu mogli objasniti zasto djeca umiru pa su podivljali i naredili cijepljenje. nemam sad vremena, ali danas cu staviti linkove, na pocetku ove sezone gripe su ponavljali te podatke, pune su ih bile agencije.
ima o boxunu na prvim stranicama koliko se sjecam.
nego vet...sto je sad ovo... sto znaci vijest da su macke 'odbacile virus' - da dvije nisu niti postale asimptomatcne??? a jedna je asimptomatcna?
znaci li to da je moguce da su i neki ljudi moguce susreli virus i odbacili ga ili da moguce ima ( puno) i asimptomatcinih ljudi u krajevima gdje je bolest rasirena medju pticama?
ima o boxunu na prvim stranicama koliko se sjecam.
nego vet...sto je sad ovo... sto znaci vijest da su macke 'odbacile virus' - da dvije nisu niti postle asimptomatcne??? a jedna je asimptomatcna?
znaci li to da je moguce da su i neki ljudi moguce susreli virus i odbacili ga i da moguce ima i asimptomatcinih ljudi?
pa upravo o tome stalno tupim....mnogo stvari bi objasnilo....
sad sve vise pricaju, kinezi zadnje vrijeme, narocito, kad inzistiraju da i kokosi mogu biti asimptomaticne i siriti virus. (u svakom slucaju vakciniranjem kokosi se upravo to postize)
ja sve vrijeme sumnjam da mogu i ljudi biti - blago bolesni, tipa obicne prehlade zbog koje se ne ide doktoru ili da se nikad ni ne razbole. ali to su nagadjanja, MORA se testirati populacija, da se vidi tko je bio u dodiru s virusom i time vidi koliko je zapravo neka druga vrsta primljiva za virus, bez obzira na to hoce li se ili nece razboliti. Tek onda se moze raspravljati o morbiditetu, letalitetu i mortalitetu.
zasto i ne bi bili, kod vecine bolesti se to dogadja (aids je najbolji primjer imas antitijela , a ne moras se nikad razboljeti - ako imas srece :)... pa i hepatitis C, tuberkuloza, toksoplazmoza itd..,.)
eh sad asimptomatican mozes biti na dva nacina, npr u ovom slucaju:
1. macka je bila u dodiru s virusom, imunoloski sustav se obranio jos na mjestu ulaza virusa i unistio virus, antitijela ostanu, nema izlucivanja virusa niti se razvila bolest
2. macka je bila u dodiru, nastala je viremija, ali, ili virus nije dovoljno patogen da bi izazvao bolest, ili ga imunoloski sustav drzi pod nadzorom, ali nesterilno, tj virusa ima negdje u organizmu (ne mora vise biti u nosu i grlu) i izlucuje se u okolinu (na neki od nacina...npr fecesom, mokracom, kako je vec moguce) tj. macka je kliconosa...inaparentna infekcija (klinicki nevidljiva). to ovisi o otpornosti vrste, virulenciji virusa ili soja virusa, individualnom imunom statusu itd. one eksperimentalno zarazene macke su se razboljele, ali njima je virus dan namjerno, vjerojatno tocno odredjene doze, da se vidi koja je infekcijska, kod prirodne infekcije ima vise mogucnosti.
ili:
macka je u inkubaciji i bolest ce se razviti
to bi sad trebali austrijanci utvrditi za ove macke....a trebalo bi tak raditi i u svakom selu gdje se pojavi bf medju ljudima...sve ostalo je tapkanje u totalnom mraku
znaci li to da je moguce da su i neki ljudi moguce susreli virus i odbacili ga ili da moguce ima ( puno) i asimptomatcinih ljudi u krajevima gdje je bolest rasirena medju pticama?mislim da je to već dokazano kod zaposlenika nekog zoo vrta na dalekom istoku, koji su imali posla(kakvog neznam)s nekom velikom mačkom(premještaj, uspavljivanje?.. točno neznam).
uglavnom ,kad su saznali da je životinja pozitivna testirali su i te zaposlenike, inašli su tzv. serološki kontakt s virusom, u prijevodu stvorena protutijela bez bolesti. mislim da je to bilo još prošlog proljeća. to je također manifestacija prilagodbe virusa na domaćina, i to za virus u pozitivnom sredstvu jer ne ostaje brzo bez udomitelja.
inače, to je sasvim za očekivati. kad se objave prave serološke studije kontakata s oboljelima, bilo to ljudi ili perad, znati ćemo puno više.
Santana
07.03.2006., 09:04
Kaj se tice asimptomaticnih ljudi, tj. blazih oblika, dosad su bila dva pristupa:
1) neko istrazivanje kaj je uzelo u obzir klinicku sliku (de facto anketica), pa su dosli do zakljucka da mora postojati i puno blazih pojavnih oblika ove viruscage (kaj se i nama cijelo vrijeme mota po glavama, jer prek 50 % smrtnosti na bolnickom lijecenju nam bas nije milo)
medjutim....
2) uzimali su neki i serume pa pokusali dokazat. Ta studija nije navodno pokazala prisutnost virusa, tj. pobila je onu gore (opet ja nemam link ni vremena pri ruci)
U svakom slucaju, ja sam (i jos uvijek) puno nade polagao u Tursku i WHO koji se tamo bio zaletio skupit nekih 10 000 ili tako nesto uzoraka krvi. Nisam cuo za nikakve rezultate do sad.
Kaj se tice asimptomaticnih ljudi, tj. blazih oblika, dosad su bila dva pristupa:
1) neko istrazivanje kaj je uzelo u obzir klinicku sliku (de facto anketica), pa su dosli do zakljucka da mora postojati i puno blazih pojavnih oblika ove viruscage (kaj se i nama cijelo vrijeme mota po glavama, jer prek 50 % smrtnosti na bolnickom lijecenju nam bas nije milo)
medjutim....
2) uzimali su neki i serume pa pokusali dokazat. Ta studija nije navodno pokazala prisutnost virusa, tj. pobila je onu gore (opet ja nemam link ni vremena pri ruci)
U svakom slucaju, ja sam (i jos uvijek) puno nade polagao u Tursku i WHO koji se tamo bio zaletio skupit nekih 10 000 ili tako nesto uzoraka krvi. Nisam cuo za nikakve rezultate do sad.
tocno to i mene muci (narocito turska - tresla se brda rodio se mis, kaj se tice testiranja...ili nece objaviti ili nisu napravili...dovoljno je vremena proslo)
da su napravili testove i da su ljudi negativni, ocekivala bih da se to objavi na sva zvona, zar ne?
te serume koje su uzimali, uzimali su ponekad na krivim mjestima (Rusija, japan - gdje humanih slucajeva nije ni bilo), iako s druge strane, vijetnamci ili tko, su nesto radili....
osim toga, jesu li bolesnima uzimali uzorke ekskreta (fizioloskih i patoloskih) i pokusali izolirati virus iz njih, utvrditi mogucu kontagioznost (zaraznost). vjerojatno jesu, zasto je to tajna?, svi podaci su hitni...i u prvo vrijeme vazniji i prakticniji od dosadnih sekvenci s kojima jos nitko ne zna sto bi zapoceo.....dobra stara epizootiologija/epidemiologija i Kochovi postulati iz 19.st.
radi se i o razlicitim sojevima i trebale bi friske analize, od onda se sve moglo promijeniti
btw, ako je istina da su se macke (ako su se) zarazile indirektno, putem zagadjene hrane, kako kazu, onda je ovo skoro za ocekivati.....blage infekcije, bez manifestacije, premalo virusa za bolest.....mozda...
dok su se oni tigrovi napucali zarazenim kokosima i jako razboljeli......
tj radilo bi se o virusu koji se jos nije dobro adaptirao na sisavce, tek uci.
A four-year-old boy who died in Indonesia is the sixth suspected fatal victim of bird flu in the last week, health workers said on Tuesday. The boy died on Monday at Sayidiman Hospital at Magetan, in East Java, less than 10 minutes after arriving, Sudarsih, a nurse, told Agence France-Presse.
She said he was suffering symptoms of the virus, which has been confirmed as killing 20 Indonesians, and had a history of contact with poultry.
The boy's death follows five recent suspected bird-flu deaths: a pregnant woman (25) on Monday; a 10-year-old Saturday; a brother and sister last Wednesday; and a three-year-old last Tuesday.
The woman was from Jakarta, where most of Indonesia's bird flu deaths have been recorded, but the siblings and 10-year-old were from Central Java's Boyolali district, and the three-year-old died in Central Java's Semarang.
Local positive tests, which are usually considered reliable, are sent to a World Health Organisation (WHO)-affiliated laboratory abroad for confirmation. Indonesia's last confirmed fatality was on February 25.
In Jakarta, five more suspected bird-flu patients were admitted overnight at Sulianti Saroso Hospital, the capital's main centre for treating bird-flu patients, its deputy director, Sardikin Giriputro, said.
The five, two of them children, came from several districts in Jakarta and the nearby town of Bekasi in West Java, and had all been in contact with sick chickens, Giriputro said.
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/&articleid=266028
A four-year-old boy who died in Indonesia is the sixth suspected fatal victim of bird flu in the last week, health workers said on Tuesday. The boy died on Monday at Sayidiman Hospital at Magetan, in East Java, less than 10 minutes after arriving, Sudarsih, a nurse, told Agence France-Presse.
She said he was suffering symptoms of the virus, which has been confirmed as killing 20 Indonesians, and had a history of contact with poultry.
The boy's death follows five recent suspected bird-flu deaths: a pregnant woman (25) on Monday; a 10-year-old Saturday; a brother and sister last Wednesday; and a three-year-old last Tuesday.
The woman was from Jakarta, where most of Indonesia's bird flu deaths have been recorded, but the siblings and 10-year-old were from Central Java's Boyolali district, and the three-year-old died in Central Java's Semarang.
Local positive tests, which are usually considered reliable, are sent to a World Health Organisation (WHO)-affiliated laboratory abroad for confirmation. Indonesia's last confirmed fatality was on February 25.
In Jakarta, five more suspected bird-flu patients were admitted overnight at Sulianti Saroso Hospital, the capital's main centre for treating bird-flu patients, its deputy director, Sardikin Giriputro, said.
The five, two of them children, came from several districts in Jakarta and the nearby town of Bekasi in West Java, and had all been in contact with sick chickens, Giriputro said.http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/&articleid=266028
Ja mislim da je ovo vise slucajeva zbog vece rasprostranjenosti kod peradi pa i vecoj izklozenosti covjeka/djece tj ne ukazuje na H2H..
Santana
07.03.2006., 11:01
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/&articleid=266028
Cini se da virus pomalo ubrzava, mada je sve to skupa josh uvijek sitno. I srecom disperzirano, dakle vjerovatno je cisti B2H. Indonezija je ogromna (mislim oko 200 miliona ljudi i valjda 10 puta tolko ptica) tak da ovakav porast slucajeva cak i nemora imat veze s nekakvom boljom prilagodbom virusa, mada svaki oboljeni covjek sucks.
Cini se da virus pomalo ubrzava, mada je sve to skupa josh uvijek sitno. I srecom disperzirano, dakle vjerovatno je cisti B2H. Indonezija je ogromna (mislim oko 200 miliona ljudi i valjda 10 puta tolko ptica) tak da ovakav porast slucajeva cak i nemora imat veze s nekakvom boljom prilagodbom virusa, mada svaki oboljeni covjek sucks.
sve to stoji, apsolutno ali isto tak su i mjere suzbijanja sve jace, sviijest o bolesti sad vec isto, makar u Jakarti,
valjda u Jakarti ljudi izbjegavaju direktan kontakt, nesto je peradi i pobijeno, a ipak je rapidno gore
a bf tamo je vec dugo (pola godine) jako prosirena, (ne moze se znatno gore prosiriti)- istovremeno suzbijanje sve jace.
ne mislim da je ovo H2H vec sve laksi B2H
kolko sam vidla ljudi ipak pomalo upoznaju bolest, za ocekivati je da se i cuvaju
ovo je zanimljivo.tvrdi da su promjene koje su potrebne da bi dovele do pandemijskog soja minimalne i blizu. zanimljivo iz dva razloga: čovjek je istaknuti virusolog te će gotovo sigurno potaknuti i druge da iznesu svoje mišljenje
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060307/43989397.html
MOSCOW, March 7 (RIA Novosti) - The world is one step away from a bird flu pandemic that cannot be averted by quarantine or vaccination, a Russian expert said Tuesday.
"One amino-acid replacement in the genome remains to make the virus transferable from human to human," said Dmitry Lvov, the director of a virology research institute at the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences
EDIT..iako je akademik, i direktor velike ustanove, znao je i prije ovakve stvari najavljivati.dakle, uzeti s rezervom.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/10/28/pandemic.shtml
ovo je značajnije.naznake bolje kohabitacije sa sisavcima zabrinjavaju stručnjake WHO-a
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L07562908.htm
Santana
07.03.2006., 16:16
Mislim da je to onaj Rus kaj je prvi pricao o milijardama zrtava. Inace, po Rusiji je bilo i genijalnih ideja da se zrakoplovstvo iskoristi u istrebljivanju ptica selica koje ce se vracat ovo proljece :zubo:
Neznam samo, u clanku se ne spominje na koji soj misli i otkuda mu ti podaci da fali samo jedna mutacija. To bi svakako pomoglo u ozbiljnosti. Ovak mi zvuci i gore nego Niman.
Kaj se tice prisustva medju sisavcima, meni se nista ne cini drasticno drugacije, bar ne gledajuci zadnjih godinu dve. Odavno skace na sisavce tu i tamo, samo je pitanje koliko je toga do sad zabiljezeno. Za ove tri Austrijske macke ne bi ni znali da nekom nije palo na pamet testirati ih preventivno. Nisu i ne pokazuju znakove bolesti. Ko ce ga znat koliko je toga oko nas, i koliko dugo.
Austrijska macka je izgleda brzebolje ozdravila :zubo:
Dva puta testirala pozitivno, treci put negativno ..vjeruje se u treci put naravno..
Njemacka je nasla jos dvije mrtve macke u zarazenom podrucju za koje sumnjaju da su umrle od H5N1
Santana
07.03.2006., 23:13
I nashi poceli testirat macke. Jedna riknula na podrucju ZGa nakon kaj je pojela mrtvog vrapca. Samo mole da se na testiranje dodje s uputnicom veterinara, jer inace kosta 200 kn. Sutrasnji jutarnji.
Za ove austrijske, steta da mijenjaju plocu. Moglo se puno stvari dokazati i otkriti. Inace, jebali ih takvi testovi.
A subsequent test of the three cats' faeces confirmed H5N1 in only one of the samples, in a very low concentration. A third faeces test taken on Tuesday was negative for all of them, a health ministry spokeswoman said.
However, the spokeswoman added the ministry was still waiting for the results of tests on the cats' blood.
tek nalazi krvi ce potvrditi, ali samo ako ih ne uzmu prerano i ako ih ponove par puta.
virus se mozda povukao nize ili ga je imunoloski sustav sredio jer ga je bilo premalo za infekciju. ali nisam sigurna dal se za ovu zadnju opciju moraju naci antitijela...mogli su ga i makrofagi srediti (nespecificna imunost), teoretski.
nekak mi je tesko vjerovati da je lazno pozitivan, previse se ostalih faktora poklopilo....
mozda nisu odustali austrijanci, mozda su samo pedantni:), vidjet cemo.
bemti, ja imam i veterinare i mrtve labudove i lonjsko polje i jos dvije macke, sretne, debele i zadovoljne, koje mi redovito donose pticice pred vrata. postajem lagano nervozna :eek: :)
no, tjesim se i kinezi su nervozni, they are moving ordinary patients together to set aside more rooms for potential human bird flu cases i PEOPLE with fevers above 37.5 degrees Celsius are required to be hospitalized in Guangzhou ...strozi su od austrijanaca.... http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/2006/03/07/246668/Guangzhou_alert_to_bird_flu.htm
Mar 7, 2006 (CIDRAP News) – A second vaccine against human H5N1 influenza is being developed, US Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Mike Leavitt announced yesterday....
...."We’ve been following the virus and trying to monitor it. We have determined there is a strain that is distinct enough from the Asian strain that first arose," Hall said. It was isolated in Indonesia, so it’s named after that country: A/Indonesia/5/2005.....
....Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH, director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, publisher of the CIDRAP Web site, today praised HHS for closely tracking the H5N1 virus. The need to update the antigen composition shouldn’t be a surprise, he said.
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/news/mar0706vax.html
i zadnje vijesti iz nigerije :http://tinyurl.com/jzn84
kazu nema ljudskih slucajeva, ali prije ili poslije ce se inficirati aids bolesnici, kojih tamo ima mnogo.
u njima moze virus raditi sto god hoce, (ako ih odmah ne ubije)
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/news/mar0706vax.html
i zadnje vijesti iz nigerije :http://tinyurl.com/jzn84
kazu nema ljudskih slucajeva, ali prije ili poslije ce se inficirati aids bolesnici, kojih tamo ima mnogo.
u njima moze virus raditi sto god hoce, (ako ih odmah ne ubije)
ja naravno ne razumijem nista o kombiniranju razlicitih virusa ali, netko je ovdje bio pisao da je niman tvrdio kak je h5n1 pobrao negdje komadic virusa ebole. e sad, jel se isto moze desit sa hiv-om? ili ne jer je razlicit tip virusa?
ja naravno ne razumijem nista o kombiniranju razlicitih virusa ali, netko je ovdje bio pisao da je niman tvrdio kak je h5n1 pobrao negdje komadic virusa ebole. e sad, jel se isto moze desit sa hiv-om? ili ne jer je razlicit tip virusa?
ne znam ni ja bas o tome bogznasta, ovo za ebolu mi je bilo nevjerojatno, ali nemam pojma, osim da su oba virusa RNA, ebola nesegmentirani negativni, influenca segmentirani negativni, ali zbilja ne znam. Niman kaze da se moze rekombinirati i s HIV virusom, to mi je jos nevjerojatnije (ne znam jel netko nasao o tome i druge izvore (osim nimana), ja nisam bas ni trazila)
mislila sam zapravo na to da hiv bolesnici nemaju skoro nikakvu imunost, pa virus u njima moze raditi sto hoce (mutirati), iako bi se ocekivalo da ce ih upravo zato jadne prve i ubiti. a znamo da je u africi strasno puno aids bolesnika.
Je li se to samo meni cini ili mi WHO u zadnja dva dana djeluje nekako malo 'uznemireno'.. sve nesto priznaju sto nisu prije priznavali..
Mozda je to samo moja uobrazilja..
Bas me zanima sto vi mislite?
Mozda je infekcija kod macaka po svjetu puno rasprostranjenija nego sto mi znamo?
Principessa
09.03.2006., 13:16
jeste vidili ovo:
http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=310269
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:confused:
btw... boli me grlo... i sinusi... i svašta... ćiju-ćiju-tup... :rolleyes:
jeste vidili ovo:
http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=310269
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:confused:
btw... boli me grlo... i sinusi... i svašta... ćiju-ćiju-tup... :rolleyes:
Koliko znam prvi test za tu osobu je negativan... clanak nije updated..
no sa izjavom od '90% sigurnosti' se ne slazem.. znamo koliko je testova bilo false negativnih i false pozitivnih na ljudima u Turskoj, Kini, Jugoistocnoj Aziji itd..
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Usput - izgleda da je virus pored macaka poceo prelazit i na ostale zivotinje:
Bird Flu Found in German Animals
BERLIN-March 9, 2006 - Bird flu virus has been found in Germany in a mammal, indicating the disease has spread beyond birds and cats to another animal species.
The Friedrich-Loeffler Institute confirmed the presence of the virus in the marten, a carnivorous mammal with brown fur and a white throat patch (btw: po opisu bi se reklo da se prije radi o lasici nego o kuni). The animal was found alive on the island of Ruegen in northern Germany on March 2, but was killed after the virus was detected. The deadly strain of bird flu was found in a cat in Germany last month, the first time the virus has been identified in an animal other than a bird in central Europe.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?s...orld&id=3975979
slika kune:
http://www.cpawscalgary.org/graphics/cw2004/douce-marten-large.jpg
slika lasice:
http://www.birding.se/fotosidan/smavessla.htm
Je li se to samo meni cini ili mi WHO u zadnja dva dana djeluje nekako malo 'uznemireno'.. sve nesto priznaju sto nisu prije priznavali..
Mozda je to samo moja uobrazilja..
Bas me zanima sto vi mislite?
Mozda je infekcija kod macaka po svjetu puno rasprostranjenija nego sto mi znamo?imo nema nekog većeg razloga za zabrinutost nego prije 7 ili 10 dana.efikasan h2h prijenos se nije dogodio u međuvremenu, izračun približavanja potrebne mutacije nepostoji, osim hiperteoretskog, kao i dosad.
prije će biti da je to rezultat približavanja proljeća i migracije ptica iz azije na aljasku a kasnije i prema jugu.europa je već prošla prvi susret s virusom, ameriku tek čeka, a pošto su oni najutjecajnija zemlja svijeta toliki je i utjecaj na sve svjetske organizacija pa tako i na WHO. amerikanci su obznanili prije 3-4 dana da napuštaju proizvodnju cijepiva koje su bazirali na soju koji se previše izmijenio da bi bilo efektivno.ta vijest je sigurno udvostručila strah od nadolazeće seobe ptica.
ptice su dio lanca prehrane mačaka i ostalih manjih sisavaca, infekcija mačaka je za očekivati. imo, opasnije je prisustvo virusa u pticama, jer su rasprostranjenije i jer mogu zaraziti domaću perad. imo, ipak je riječ o samo nijansama.
http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=17681
Eleven suspected human bird flu cases in Azerbaijan: WHO
09/03/2006 19:27
GENEVA, March 9, 2006 - Eleven suspected human cases of the highly pathogenic H5N1 bird flu virus, three of them fatal, are under investigation in Azerbaijan, the World Health Organisation said Thursday.
Maria Cheng, spokeswoman for the UN health agency, told that the suspected victims, including eight members of a single family, all came from the same village near the Azerbaijani capital Baku.
"It is possible that they caught H5N1, because we already know that poultry were hit by the virus in neighbouring areas," said Cheng.
Flocks belonging to the patients had also been infected, but experts had yet to identify by what, she added.
Samples from the suspected human victims were being sent to a WHO-accredited laboratory in London to establish whether they had the H5N1 virus, Cheng said.
The results could be available in 24 hours or within two weeks, depending on the sample quality, she noted.
On Sunday, Azerbaijani authorities said they were investigating whether the deaths of two young children in the republic were caused by bird flu.
The two children were part of a family whose six members had been hospitalised with suspected pneumonia.
Several days earlier, Azerbaijani authorities had said that the H5N1 virus had hit poultry flocks, and ordered the slaughter of half a million birds.
Since it resurfaced in 2003, the virus has infected 175 people in seven countries and killed 96 of them, according to the WHO.
H5N1 spreads from birds to people in close proximity, but experts fear that it could mutate into a form that transmits easily among humans, leading to a global pandemic that could claim millions of lives.
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http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=cp_agriculture_home&articleID=2193047
Azerbaijan investigating possible family cluster of bird flu cases, WHO says
GENEVA (CP) - Health authorities in Azerbaijan are investigating a worrisome cluster of possible human cases of H5N1 avian influenza, the World Health Organization said Thursday.
A total of 11 suspected cases, including eight members of the same family, are being assessed, WHO spokeswoman Maria Cheng said.
Of the 11 suspect cases, three people have died and one is listed in serious condition in hospital.
"Currently there are signs that suggest this could be a human H5N1 cluster," Cheng said. "But we don't know that right now. We still need to do more thorough epidemiological investigation and wait for the lab results."
"It certainly looks a bit suspicious, but we don't have enough information to draw conclusions."
Though all human cases of avian flu are potentially dangerous, WHO pays particular attention to clusters of cases. While clusters may be the result of several people from the same family or village each having exposure to infected birds, they could also signal that the virus has passed from one person to another.
It is believed there have been a number of cases of limited human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus. But any sign of continued spread could mean the virus had mutated in ways that would allow it to more easily jump to and between people.
The possible cases in Azerbaijan have been reported in two villages, Sarvan and Daikend, in the eastern part of the country. They are near Baku, where that country's first reported H5N1 outbreaks in birds occurred.
Reports received by the WHO suggest some of the possible cases may have recovered and left hospital.
Cheng said specimens from the suspected cases, including the people who have died, will be sent to Britain's National Institute of Medical Research for testing. The North London lab is part of the WHO collaborating laboratory network.
Cheng said it wasn't yet clear if the samples could be sent Thursday. "We're waiting, I think, to see if they need more containers to ship the samples."
A three-member team from the WHO has been in Azerbaijan assisting local authorities with avian flu risk assessment and helping with the investigation. The team is made up of an epidemiologist, an infection control expert and a laboratory specialist.
Early indications suggest that at least some of the possible cases had a history of contact with poultry. And Cheng said it was known that there have been poultry outbreaks in this region.
"We know in that area there were sick and dying poultry and in neighbouring districts they had confirmed H5N1."
At present there has been no discussion of sending a larger WHO team to Azerbaijan, and authorities there have not asked the WHO for additional help.
"It hasn't been raised yet. Certainly we'd be prepared to do that if the country made that request," Cheng said.
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Osam ljudi iz iste obitelji ..troje umrlo.. neki izlijeceni i vec napustili bolnicu.. dvoje male djece umrlo.. dvije djevojke umrle.. WHO team vec tamo ???
11 slucajeva.. WHO iscekuje nalaze..WHO otvoreno sumnja na H2H prenos..
Sve ukazuje na to da se ovo vec dulje vremena dogadja.. i nije 'tek pocelo'
Patagonija
10.03.2006., 03:10
Prvi sam put danas otvorila ovu temu i ono... isprepadali ste me preužasno :zubo:
Ima par pitanja, sorry ako ste ih već 100put pretresli:
1.) Jel' još uvijek ima tog Tamiflu-a kod nas? I koliko ga kutija treba po osobi? :zubo: Šta još osim Tamiflu-a?
2.) Pričate o zalihama antibiotika, šta nejdu oni samo na recept? :confused: Kak vi to mislite nabavljat, imate neke dilere ili kaj?? :zubo:
3.) Jel' se još uvijek može cijepiti na ovu običnu gripu?
Btw. imam kroničnu upalu sinusa, česte bronhitise i šopanje kortikosteroidima, I'm so fucked :zubo:
Brrrrr...
Santana
10.03.2006., 10:42
Prvi sam put danas otvorila ovu temu i ono... isprepadali ste me preužasno :zubo:
Ima par pitanja, sorry ako ste ih već 100put pretresli:
1.) Jel' još uvijek ima tog Tamiflu-a kod nas? I koliko ga kutija treba po osobi? :zubo: Šta još osim Tamiflu-a?
2.) Pričate o zalihama antibiotika, šta nejdu oni samo na recept? :confused: Kak vi to mislite nabavljat, imate neke dilere ili kaj?? :zubo:
3.) Jel' se još uvijek može cijepiti na ovu običnu gripu?
Btw. imam kroničnu upalu sinusa, česte bronhitise i šopanje kortikosteroidima, I'm so fucked :zubo:
Brrrrr...
1) Ima, no neznam jel ga vishe mozes dobit bez recepta. Probaj u privatnim ljekarnama. Doziranje? Niko nema pojma, osim da je vjerovatno potrebno vishe od doziranja za obicnu gripu. Za obicnu gripu je jedan paket po osobi, cini mi se dvije dnevno kao terapija (ak ga uyimash kad vec imas simptome), znaci 5 dana (jer je deset tableta), a za preventivu je jedna dnevno 8 dana. Racunaj, ajde, na 2 kutije po osobi. Bilo bi idealno da ga se uyima u kombinaciji s nekim drugim antivirusnim lijekom, ali nijednog drugog kod nas nema.
2) Zalihe antibiotika ima svako normalno hrv. kucanstvo, ko je josh ikad popio do kraja sve amoxile :) Salu na stranu, nisam tu previshe pametan kaj bi savjetovao, mozda najbolje ne spremat nista dok netko ne da pouzdan signal da je krenulo, a onda, hebi ga, privatna ljekarna pa keshiraj. Ali prije toga dobro prouci kaj cemu sluzi i koje se isplati imat a koje ne
3) Ne. Potroshene su sve doze narucene za ovu godinu, a ionak te odhebu ako nisi ugrozena skupina, tj. starija od kaj ja znam, 50 60. Plus neki kronicni bolesnici, neznam jel tvoji sinusi spadaju u tu skupinu
Kaj se tice kortikosteroida, to bi ti cak moglo i pomoc :) Smanjuju upalu, a ako si do 40 onda ce te, sudeci po Spanoljki i SARSu bas upala koknut.
Gle, samolijecenje je ona zadnja zadnja zadnja opcija, ako stvari krenu bash jaaaaaaako loshe. I iskreno, ako stvari tako loshe krenu, nisam siguran koliko ce ti svi antibiotici svijeta kombinirani s Tamifluom i kortikosteroidima pomoc :) Koga god su lijecili i eventualno izlijecili, bio je prikopcan na aparate u intenzivnoj. Ta pomisao o samolijecenju, biljnim preparatima (Sambucol, Curcumin i slicno) je cista mala psiholoska pomoc. Ono di si stvarno mozes pomoci, ak vidish da stvari idu krivim tijekom, je da si pripremis malo zaliha hrane i drugih osnovnih potrepstina, tak da mozes em ostati doma i ne izlagati se toliko, em imat kaj za pojest ako ovaj vrag zaustavi promet, snabdjevanje i slicno.
Što se cjepiva za gripu tiče i to bi vrijedilo pitati u privatnim ljekarnama - ja sam svoje npr. kupila kad ga više nije bilo niti u domovima zdravlja, a niti u HZZJ.
ambrozija
10.03.2006., 11:39
"zalihe antibiotika ima svako normalno hrv. kucanstvo, ko je josh ikad popio do kraja sve amoxile..."
:rofl: ...e ova ti je dobra, ali nažalost ja sam jako savjesno čeljade pa nemam nikakve ostatke antibiotika u kućnoj apoteci... nemam ni tamiflu, a u frižideru samo jedna otvorena pašteta i mliječni namaz... e sad, pitam se pitam dal' da krenem u nabavku il' da pustim da sve ide svojim tokom, pa kud koji mili moji... j.v.p. baš vas je gadno čitati:mad:
HONG KONG, March 10 (Reuters) - Up to one percent of apparently healthy chickens, ducks and geese in wet markets in southern China are infected with the deadly H5N1 avian flu virus, researchers in Hong Kong and China have found.
The finding shows people may be far more exposed to the virus than previously thought and the fight against the virus, which experts fear will unleash a pandemic, may be more difficult as it will be harder to detect without obvious signs of disease.
Although waterfowl are natural hosts of the H5N1, this is the first time researchers have found and documented on such a large scale infected chickens which do not show signs of the disease. Chickens usually die within 24 hours of being infected.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/HKG267053.htm
eto, kad se ozbiljno testira, sto se nadje
danas u kini, sutra tko zna gdje, da ne zaboravim, oni cijepe redovito pilice, ali nema sterilnog imuniteta. uz ovakav nalaz (ili za ocekivati je s vremenom, sve gori ni ne treba pandemije)
(btw, nemam ni jednog antibiotika u kuci)
Santana
10.03.2006., 12:14
"zalihe antibiotika ima svako normalno hrv. kucanstvo, ko je josh ikad popio do kraja sve amoxile..."
:rofl: ...e ova ti je dobra, ali nažalost ja sam jako savjesno čeljade pa nemam nikakve ostatke antibiotika u kućnoj apoteci... nemam ni tamiflu, a u frižideru samo jedna otvorena pašteta i mliječni namaz... e sad, pitam se pitam dal' da krenem u nabavku il' da pustim da sve ide svojim tokom, pa kud koji mili moji... j.v.p. baš vas je gadno čitati:mad:
A, hebat ga, neki se osjecaju sigurnije sa odredjenim spremljenim zalihama, neki smatraju da je to nepotrebno panicarenje. Tu si all alone. Odnosno, prouci, vagni, pa se odluci :)
Što se antibiotika tiče mislim da se baš i ne bi smjeli izdavati bez liječničkog recepta, niti u privatnim ljekarnama.
Patagonija
10.03.2006., 16:44
2) Zalihe antibiotika ima svako normalno hrv. kucanstvo, ko je josh ikad popio do kraja sve amoxile :)
a onda, hebi ga, privatna ljekarna pa keshiraj. Ali prije toga dobro prouci kaj cemu sluzi i koje se isplati imat a koje ne
Imam jednu tabletu Silapena koji sam nedavno dobila za anginu, a tu zadnju nisam popila jer sam pak dobila alergiju na njega :zubo:
Inače sve što mi prepišu štreberski i popijem :D Mislim, uglavnom dobivam Summamed i to baš za tu sekundarnu bakterijsku infekciju :zubo: koja mi se uvijek razvije zbog zločestih sinusa :D I onda ih moram i popiti, jer inače :visi:
Privatne ljekarne također traže recept, mislim da ti nitko neće legalno dati antibiotike bez toga... Za njih imaš opciju keširanja jedino kad nemaš recept od svog doktora opće prakse nego nekog drugog (privatnika ili bolnice).
Jedino što imam u ladici je par pumpica kortikosteroida, ali meni oni ni pod normalno najčešće nisu dosta :bang: :D
Niš', ja ću se morat zatvorit doma u karantenu. I zabarikadirat sve prozore, pa dokle ide - ide :D
p.s. Fakat ste me uplašili... Sve sam frendove udavila sa Ptičjom gripom u ovih dan i pol što vas čitam :rofl:
Patagonija
10.03.2006., 16:51
3) Ne. Potroshene su sve doze narucene za ovu godinu, a ionak te odhebu ako nisi ugrozena skupina, tj. starija od kaj ja znam, 50 60. Plus neki kronicni bolesnici, neznam jel tvoji sinusi spadaju u tu skupinu
O fak.
Imam 20 i kusur i moji sinusi jesu u toj skupini ugroženih. Samo kaj mi nitko nije rekao da se trebam cijepiti :zubo:
Nego, jel' ima šanse da dočekamo sljedeće cijepljenje na običnu gripu? Jel' da čuvam ušteđevinu za Dubrovnik ovog ljeta ili da odmah čupam van i trk harač po ljekarnama? :D
Ma samo da ne bukne prije koncerta Depeche mode-a... :horor: :D
za sekundarnu bakterijsku infekciju
Sve sam frendove udavila sa Ptičjom gripom u ovih dan i pol što vas čitam
mmmm...
sekundarne bakterijske infekcije
sexy
:Slin:
zvinte, nisam mogao izdržat...
Cetvrta osoba umrla od pticje gripe u Azerbejdzanu ( 16togisnji djecak)
Ranije umrli : sesnaestogodisnjakinja i dvadesetogodisnjakinja, te sedamnaestogodisnjakinja..
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2006_03_10a/en/
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http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=4323136&PageNum=0
Young Azerbaijani dies in hospital, supposedly of bird flu.
10.03.2006, 21.24
BAKU, March 10 (Itar-Tass) - A young man hospitalised to the Azerbaijani Research Institute of Lung Diseases several days ago on suspicions of having bird flu died Friday, the press service of the Azerbaijani Health Ministry said.
The man, Shamkhar Askerov, 16, died of bilateral pneumonia and pulmonary insufficiency, the press service said.
“His final diagnosis will be established on the basis of pathologic material testing that has already been sent to a reference laboratory in London,” it said.
Askerov is the fourth resident of Azerbaijan’s Salyan district to have died of suspected bird flu over the past two weeks.
Two days ago, a 16-year-old Gunel Gasymova died in Baku. Her biological material was also sent for pathology testing to the London laboratory.
Sisters Khatira and Nabat Askerov from the same district died in the Institute of Lung Diseases earlier. Health Ministry officials claimed Khatira died of blastema of the lung and Nabat, of heavy pneumonia.
In the meantime, another six residents of the same district who were rushed to Baku on suspicion of having caught bird flu have completed a course of treatment and have been discharged from hospital.
Sources at the Institute of Lung Diseases said no new patients from the Salyan district have been admitted in the past four days.
The place is located on the banks of Kura River 130 kilometers to the south of Baku.
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V Britanija takodje trenutno testira 2 mrtva labuda ali to tek poneke novine objave.. zato jer su britanci uvjereni da oni 'nemaju pticju gripu' -- desetak petnaest mrtvih labudova na razlicitim destinacijama je testirano i bilo negativno prije 15tak dana -- mrtve ptice posvuda ali UK ne testira ptice ako nisu labudovi i ako ih nije najmanje 5 mrtvih na istom mjestu, savjetuje stanovnistvu da samo 'stavi rukavice' i baci mrtvu pticu u smece..
O fak.
Imam 20 i kusur i moji sinusi jesu u toj skupini ugroženih. Samo kaj mi nitko nije rekao da se trebam cijepiti :zubo:
Nego, jel' ima šanse da dočekamo sljedeće cijepljenje na običnu gripu? Jel' da čuvam ušteđevinu za Dubrovnik ovog ljeta ili da odmah čupam van i trk harač po ljekarnama? :D
Ma samo da ne bukne prije koncerta Depeche mode-a... :horor: :D
Prave opasnosti nema dok se ne pojavi jako veliki cluster koji bi ukazivao na brzi prenos medju ljudima.
Drugi izvor opasnosti bio bi bliski kontakt sa zarazenim pticama i moguce zarazenim zivotinjama.
Ja isto imam probleme sa sinusima i bronhima, ove godine su mi dali vakcinu bez da sam trazila... i to mi je moja doktorica dala a ne sestra kako se to ovdje uobicajeno dogadja :confused:
To me nije sprijecilo da pokupim 2 gripe u jednoj godini :(
Ja sam ljetos imala strasnu gripu bas na 'zarazenom podrucju' u HR, tad nisam znala za postojanje pticje gripe, a bila sam uvjerena da su mi gripu prenijeli golubovi s kojima sam se svakodnevno 'sukobljavala' ..i to je bio i razlog zasto sam pocela proucavat pticju gripu :D
Ne, :D :D nisam imala pticju gripu nego samo gripu ali cudno mi je kako se stvari poklope :D
Bez problema sam kupila antibiotike u jednoj privatnoj ljekarni u Dalmaciji, cijena je bila oko 20 kn.
Patagonija
11.03.2006., 19:04
Bez problema sam kupila antibiotike u jednoj privatnoj ljekarni u Dalmaciji, cijena je bila oko 20 kn.
Jesi li sigurna da se radilo o antibioticima? :D I šta oni ne koštaju, s privatnim receptom, negdje oko 200 kuna? :confused:
Provjerit ću da li se može, ali gotova si bude li teta u ljekarni vikala na mene :azdaja:
Btw. da se pohvalim - kupila sam danas Tamiflu :cool: 290 kuna :cool: ljekarna u Ilici, negdje oko broja 130inešto :cool: :zubo:
U akumulaciju pašteta se spremam kad nabavim dovoljno veliku torbu :D :D
Patagonija
11.03.2006., 19:07
mmmm...
sekundarne bakterijske infekcije
sexy
:Slin:
A šta bi tek rekao da me vidiš sa pumpicom Ventolina u ustima :Slin:
u tbilisiju, gruzija, je od upale pluća umrlo dvoje učenika osnovne škole, u dobi od 7 i 12 godina. još se dvoje ili troje djece opravlja. naložena je i dezinfekcija škole. službeno nije riječ o h5n1, ali nije isključena obična influenza. iskreno, ovo me malo više plaši nego turska/irak/azerbejđan sustav obolijevanja, a možda je i indonezija nevinija .
http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=42270
Principessa
11.03.2006., 21:11
Bez problema sam kupila antibiotike u jednoj privatnoj ljekarni u Dalmaciji, cijena je bila oko 20 kn.
a koji to antibiotici koštaju 20kn? :eek: koliko ja znam npr. amoxil i klavocin dođu oko 300-400kn, ali ovi u ljekarni ih ne prodaju već isključivo na recept daju!
u tbilisiju, gruzija, je od upale pluća umrlo dvoje učenika osnovne škole, u dobi od 7 i 12 godina. još se dvoje ili troje djece opravlja. naložena je i dezinfekcija škole. službeno nije riječ o h5n1, ali nije isključena obična influenza. iskreno, ovo me malo više plaši nego turska/irak/azerbejđan sustav obolijevanja, a možda je i indonezija nevinija .
http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=42270
mene zanima koliko je Community-acquired pneumonia, odnosno "obicna upala pluca" - nevezana za neku specificnu zaraznu bolest cesta
tj koliko je se cesto javlja kod djece, posebno ove dobi 7- 15g recimo.
u biti koliki je mortalitet. nekako imam dojam da je kod djece relativno rijetka i relativno povoljnog ishoda (uz ab terapiju) bez obzira na razvijenost zemlje - antibiotici su manje vise ipak svugdje dostupni. zanemarila bih sad potpuno neishranjenu djecu (npr. afrika)
isto tako kolika je vjerojatnost da se ta pneumonija javlja u vecim clusterima, da je tako kontagiozna (cak i ako uracunamo zimu, pretrpanost prostorija relativnu siromasnost). neobicno mi je skoro redovito javljanje "obiteljskih pneumonija u podrucjima s potvrdjenom influencom u peradi. da li se to samo uocavaju tada pneumonije koje se i inace javljaju i to relativno teske kl. slike......
nisam lijecnik, ali nekako sam dojma da se pneumonija (obicna pneumokokna) lako lijeci, cak i ako se malo zakasni s terapijom. i da se nije tako zarazna kako se vidi iz medija....
pitam zbog mogucnosti lazno negativnih h5n1 nalaza, uz sliku upale pluca
npr onaj deckic u turskoj, iz krajnje siromasne obitelji, ipak je pri prvoj posjeti lijecniku dobio antibiotik, vjerojatno dobiju i drugi pa otkud tako teske kl. slike.? ako se ne radi uvijek o h5n1
Azerbaijan investigating possible family cluster of bird flu cases, WHO says Canadian Press
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Font: * * * * GENEVA (CP) - Health authorities in Azerbaijan are investigating a worrisome cluster of possible human cases of H5N1 avian influenza, the World Health Organization said Thursday.
A total of 11 suspected cases, including eight members of the same family, are being assessed, WHO spokeswoman Maria Cheng said.
Of the 11 suspect cases, three people have died and one is listed in serious condition in hospital.
"Currently there are signs that suggest this could be a human H5N1 cluster," Cheng said. "But we don't know that right now. We still need to do more thorough epidemiological investigation and wait for the lab results."
"It certainly looks a bit suspicious, but we don't have enough information to draw conclusions."
Though all human cases of avian flu are potentially dangerous, WHO pays particular attention to clusters of cases. While clusters may be the result of several people from the same family or village each having exposure to infected birds, they could also signal that the virus has passed from one person to another.
It is believed there have been a number of cases of limited human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus. But any sign of continued spread could mean the virus had mutated in ways that would allow it to more easily jump to and between people.
The possible cases in Azerbaijan have been reported in two villages, Sarvan and Daikend, in the eastern part of the country. They are near Baku, where that country's first reported H5N1 outbreaks in birds occurred.
Reports received by the WHO suggest some of the possible cases may have recovered and left hospital.
Cheng said specimens from the suspected cases, including the people who have died, will be sent to Britain's National Institute of Medical Research for testing. The North London lab is part of the WHO collaborating laboratory network.
Cheng said it wasn't yet clear if the samples could be sent Thursday. "We're waiting, I think, to see if they need more containers to ship the samples."
A three-member team from the WHO has been in Azerbaijan assisting local authorities with avian flu risk assessment and helping with the investigation. The team is made up of an epidemiologist, an infection control expert and a laboratory specialist.
Early indications suggest that at least some of the possible cases had a history of contact with poultry. And Cheng said it was known that there have been poultry outbreaks in this region.
"We know in that area there were sick and dying poultry and in neighbouring districts they had confirmed H5N1."
At present there has been no discussion of sending a larger WHO team to Azerbaijan, and authorities there have not asked the WHO for additional help.
"It hasn't been raised yet. Certainly we'd be prepared to do that if the country made that request," Cheng said.
boldano me zabrinjava.nema masivne izloženosti peradi, njihovim izlučevinama. izgleda kao smanjenje infektivne doze; u tom području je bilo neutvrđenog ugibanja peradi. to mi je vjerojatnije nego ograničeni h2h.
Number Of Patients Of Infection Hospital Increasing In Tbilisi
http://eng.primenewsonline.com/?c=123&a=6756
Tbilisi. March 12 (Prime-News) – Number of patients appealing to the Tbilisi Infection Hospital is increasing.
Most likely the reason for their anxiety is death of two schoolgirls of the Tbilisi 50th secondary school; the nascent reports said that their death was a result of alleged “A” type of virus, Prime-News was told by the representatives of the TbilisiInfectionHospital.
According to them, lives of four other students of the above-mentioned school and one of the parents of the school-child were not endangered in any way; one student has already been discharged and others might be discharged on Sunday.
The doctors rule out possible infection of the patients with H5N1 bird flu strain.
The patients were given Tamiflu for prevention of possible outbreak of bird flu either.
The tests showed that Iana Beridze, 7, student of the Tbilisi 50th secondary school died after pneumonia on Thursday. The reason of death of Tamta Kukhelava, 12, another student of the same school, was staphylococcus, the doctors say.
stafilokok je uzročnik koji inače ne napada pluća. virus influenze promijeni receptore u plućima,vrši pripremu terena za upad stafilokoka. sve je više dokaza da riječ o virusu influeze.
ne kuzim kaj je tu cudno: pa upala pluca je jedan od poznatijih komplikacija influenze a.
sjetite se lani, kad je u hr bilo parr slucajeva meningokokne sepse, kako se pisalo o svakom iole slicnom slucaju. strah je gadna stvar.
ne kuzim kaj je tu cudno: pa upala pluca je jedan od poznatijih komplikacija influenze a.
možda tratim vrijeme,ali evo objašnjenja: sezonska gripa ne napada uobičajeno pluća već gornje dišne puteve do dušnika.tamo se množi i prodire u krvotok bez veće štete.
možda tratim vrijeme,ali evo objašnjenja: sezonska gripa ne napada uobičajeno pluća već gornje dišne puteve do dušnika.tamo se množi i prodire u krvotok bez veće štete.
apsolutno da, ali razlog zasto se ljudi cijepe jest sto su kod odredjenog dijela populacije moguce sekundarne infekcije, najcesce atipicne upale pluca koje mogu imati fatalan ishod. naravno, treba sacekati potpunije testove, ali zasad ovo zvuci kao grda posljedica obicne gripe.
Gripa je teška bolest i može biti praćena različitim komplikacijama. Najčešća je komplikacija učestala pojava dodatne bakterijske infekcije koje su najteže ukoliko zahvate pluća. U starijih osoba tijekom gripe može doći do obolijevanja organa - upale mozga, upale srca, mišića, ali su takve pojave rijetke i odraz oslabljenog imunološkog sustava.
Najteža i najčešća komplikacija je upala pluća uzrokovana istovremenom virusnom i bakterijskom upalom. Na upalu pluća valja pomisliti kada se pojave ponovni skok temperature, otežano disanje, te gnojni ili krvavi iskašljaj. Ovom obliku upale pluća osobito su skloni mlađi ljudi, djeca, muškarci srednje dobi, alkoholičari i osobe smanjene otpornosti prema bolestima.
skinula sam to odavde: http://www.medicina.hr/clanci/GRIPA.htm
Jesi li sigurna da se radilo o antibioticima? :D I šta oni ne koštaju, s privatnim receptom, negdje oko 200 kuna? :confused:
Sigurna 100%.. I mene je iznenadilo jer su mi svi okolo rekli da je oko 200 - 300 kn.. i kupila sam Amoksicilin.
Patagonija
12.03.2006., 17:19
Sigurna 100%.. I mene je iznenadilo jer su mi svi okolo rekli da je oko 200 - 300 kn.. i kupila sam Amoksicilin.
Amoksicilin isto ide na recept...
Kako si znala da trebaš njega kupiti?:confused:
Amoksicilin isto ide na recept...
Kako si znala da trebaš njega kupiti?:confused:
Zato sto se gripa razvila u upalu sinusa, a moj doktor mi uvijek da Amiksicilin u ovom slucaju.
Nije mi jasno kako ali dobila sam ga.. s tim sto je bila nedjelja, sve ljekarne su bile zatvorene osim te jedne privatne.
ma moze se kupiti kaj hoce, ak si uporan i pristojan
ja za sinuse vise ni ne idem doktoru, uzmem jednom godisnje klavocin bid, 100 kn kutija, (jos uvijek mi pomaze) ali nemojte piti antibiotike sami.......sve se moze kupiti...
ima ih od 20 do 200kn :), samo treba znati zasto ih kupujes
moze vam doktor napisati privatni recept, na obicnom komadu papira...
Potvrdjeno da su tri osobe ( od cetiri umrle u istoj obitelji) umrle od pticje gripe.
Azerbaijan reports three people dead with bird flu
13 Mar 2006 21:48:33 GMT
Source: Reuters
BAKU, March 14 (Reuters) - Azerbaijan's Health Ministry said on Monday three people who died earlier this month had been infected with bird flu in the country's first case in humans.
"Initial analysis from the laboratory shows that the three people who died did so as a result of bird flu," Health Ministry spokeswoman Samaya Mamedova said.
The infected people were thought to be members of a family from the Salyan region, in southern Azerbaijan near the Caspian Sea coast, who were hospitalised early in March with suspected bird flu. Four of them died.
The spokeswoman said the results came from a mobile laboratory that was brought into the country from Cairo on Monday.
There was no word on the results of tests that Azerbaijan sent off to a laboratory in Britain approved by the World Health Organisation.
The mobile laboratory tests showed that one of the dead had not been infected with bird flu, the Health Ministry spokeswoman said. She said a further six people from the same area who were in hospital with suspected bird flu were not infected.
Azerbaijan is an eastern neighbour of Turkey, which has also had an outbreak of bird flu in humans. The country also borders Russia, Iran, Georgia and Armenia.
Azerbaijan confirmed its first case of bird flu in migratory birds at the start of February.
Dead birds on the Absheron peninsula near the capital, Baku, and in the Masalla region, near Iran, were found to have the deadly H5N1 strain of the disease.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L13420418.htm
hrvatski galebovi zarazeni su pticjom gripom - vijest sa yahoo-a
:horor: :horor:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060314/hl_afp/healthflucroatia_060314164454
Croatian seagulls carrying bird flu
Tue Mar 14, 11:44 AM ET
ZAGREB (AFP) - The deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu has been detected in several seagulls in the south of Croatia, where several swans have already died of the disease.
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"We have carried out tests on 30 or more seagulls and several samples have come back positive for the H5N1 strain," agriculture ministry spokesman Mladen Pavic said Tuesday.
Pavic did not specify how many samples turned up positive, but said they had been taken randomly between February 28 and March 3 in the town of Pantana, near Split on the country's southern coast.
Health officials in the region, a major tourist haven, have been closely watching the area since mid-February when two swans were confirmed dead from the H5N1 infection.
Some 1,200 birds within a three-kilometer (two-mile) radius from where the swans were found have since been slaughtered.
And in February the ministry of agriculture stepped up safety measures to keep the disease from spreading.
Such measures include the confinement of poultry throughout the country, a ban on the sale of poultry from affected areas and outlawing hunting of wild birds.
peepman
15.03.2006., 14:03
to je jos juce javilo na hrvatskoj televiziji. rekli - rijecni galebovi. srecom od pantane pa do lokacije na kojoj su oni "moji" galebovi nema rijeka nego desetak kilometara mora. ti rijecni bi se izgubili na moru, ne bi znali navigavat ;)
i sta sad? moram pazit da me ne pokaki koji :)
to mi daje ideju za novi biznis ovoga ljeta. iznajmljivat turistima kisobrane!!! zamislite veliki pano "Croatian seagulls carrying bird flu - rent an umbrella - better than Tamiflu" ;)
Patagonija
15.03.2006., 21:28
"Croatian seagulls carrying bird flu - rent an umbrella - better than Tamiflu" ;):rofl: :rofl:
Btw. ja sam se zbrojila i više nisam u onako velikoj panici. :o Život je opet lijep :cerek:
Al' svejedno ću potrpat par Rio marica pod krevet, ne brinite :zubo:
Je li mrtvi galeb kojeg su nasli na hajdukovom pomocnom stadionu isto rjecni?
http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=310927
U Srbiji su nasli H5N1 u peradi
http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=47235
peepman
16.03.2006., 01:26
a more bit da je i to rijecni sa hajdukova stadiona. najme kaj, kad stavis ravnalo na kartu i potegnes liniju od pantane do karepovca (splitsko smetiste - glavno okupljaliste galebova i golubova) taj zracni koridor taman prolazi priko poljuda. ovo ja strasin patagoniju, osh kupit lumbrelu u mene ;)
pretpostavljam da u slucaju pandemije nis ne pomaze, ali dal da ipak nabavim koju dozu amoxila ili cega vec?
Mladic u Srbiji u izolaciji - sumnja se na pticju gripu ( mladic je iz iste obitelji gdj je nadjen bolesni pjetao) - sesnaest osoba u izolaciji
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L16319221.htm
Serb teenager ill with bird flu-like symptoms
16 Mar 2006 19:32:09 GMT
Source: Reuters
Background
BELGRADE, March 16 (Reuters) - A Serb teenager from a bird flu-stricken area has been put in isolation after developing a high fever that could be a symptom of the disease, Serbia's chief epidemiologist said on Thursday.
"The boy is from the family where we found a rooster with clinical symptoms of bird flu," Predrag Kon told Reuters.
"We put him in medical isolation after he reported a high fever on March 14. He will spend the next 72 hours in isolation, or until the possibility of bird flu is excluded. Right now he has no fever," he said.
Kon said a total of 16 people from the same area were under medical supervision. So far, Serbia has detected the deadly H5N1 strain in wild fowl, and is waiting for results of a suspected case in a rooster.
Bajina Bašta, Užice, Vašington -- Postoji sumnja da je sedamnaestogodišnji mladić iz Bajine Bašte oboleo od ptičjeg gripa.
Predsednik Radne grupe Ministarstva zdravlja za sprečavanje pandemije, epidemiolog Predrag Kon, rekao je da sumnja postoji jer je dete imalo temperaturu, ali da to ne znači da se radi o dijagnozi ptičjeg gripa jer u ovom periodu ima dosta respiratornih infekcija i prehlada.
Kon je rekao da će dete biti izolovano u naredna 72 sata, do uspostavljanje dijagnoze, a biće sprovedene i laboratorijske analize, javlja Radio-televizija Srbije.
"Moguće je da u ovo doba godine, kada je u toku sezona respiratornih infekcija, neko ima povišenu temperaturu, što se i desilo kod jednog deteta i to je, po proceduri, sumnja na zarazu ptičjim gripom i mora da bude sprovedeno sve što je po proceduri planirano", rekao je Kon, ali i dodao da to ni u kom slučaju ne znači da se zaista radi o dijagnozi ptičjeg gripa. "Ako pacijent tokom izolacije od 72 sata nema temperaturu i nema respiratornih tegoba, onda je to takođe pokazatelj da nema simptoma ptičjeg gripa. Moraju biti izvršena i laboratorijska ispitivanja i posle 72 sata trebalo bi da bude poznato da li će biti vršena dalja ispitivanja ili će dijagnoza biti odbačena", rekao je Kon.
Pomenuti mladić živi u jednom od četiri domaćinstva u kojima su živina i pernate životinje uništavane zbog sumnje na prisustvo ptičjeg gripa.
Užice: Pripreme za karantin
Deo prostorija Infektivnog odeljenja Užičke bolnice je ispražnjen i pripremljen za karantin, a Danas saznaje da su preduzete i ostale mere za prihvat eventualno obolelih od ptičjeg gripa. Direktor užičkog Zdravstvenog centra Darko Marinković potvrdio je informacije o pripremi karantina. "Ispraznili smo infektivno odeljenje, koje se nalazi u posebnoj zgradi i pripremili ga za smeštaj eventualno takvih pacijenata", rekao je Marinković i dodao da je ta mera preduzeta po nalogu Ministarstva zdravlja, u okviru plana za zaštitu od te bolesti.
"Znam za to dete koje ima visoku temperaturu, ali ne i druge simptome ptičjeg gripa, i mislim da nije reč o takvoj infekciji. Ipak, ako bude potrebe, mi smo spremni da prihvatimo sve obolele sa zaraženog područja", rekao je Marinković.
Bajina Bašta je od Užica udaljena tridesetak kilometara.
B92 (http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2006&mm=03&dd=16&nav_id=191800)
Kako mi se cini ( ISPRAVITE ME AKO GRIJESIM)- ovo je prvi put da je H5N1 virus nadjen kod psa (van laboratorija)
Plus: mogli bi uskoro i ljudski slucajevi u Rumunjskoj - toliko zarazene peradi a niti jedna zivotinja ili covjek cini se prosto nemoguce
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-03/16/content_4309889.htm
MOSCOW, March 16 (Xinhuanet) -- A dog has been found infected with the bird flu in Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani officials said on Thursday.
"The virus has been found in a dog ... laboratory analysis is continuing," said a statement from an official committee against the bird flu.
Earlier Tuesday, Azerbaijani health authorities said bird flu had been detected in three people who died in the southern Salyan region, where poultry flocks had been hit by the virus.
Azerbaijan first found the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus in early February, two weeks before the virus struck poultry.
A cat infected with the H5N1 bird flu was found dead in Germanylate last month, which is the first known mammal case of the bird flu. Enditem
B92 (http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2006&mm=03&dd=16&nav_id=191800)
Je li Uzice blizu rumunjske granice?
peepman
17.03.2006., 03:55
nije, nego ovamo kod bosne
Cetvero ljudi u bolnici u Izraelu pod sumnjom da imaju pticju gripu.. 1 000 tuka uginulo na jednoj farmi.. Izrael pocinje ubijati perad otrovnom vodom (???)
Srbija -Bajna Basta - mladic i troje djece u bolnici pod sumnjom da imaju pticju gripu
Israel finds H5N1 in birds, treats four people
By Yehuda Peretz
BEERSHEBA, Israel (Reuters) - Israel detected its first cases of H5N1 bird flu on Friday, saying the virus had killed thousands of turkeys and chickens on two farms.
The Israeli authorities treated four people in hospital amid fears they could have the virus. Serbia said three children and a teenager from a bird-flu affected area were in hospital after developing fever and flu-like symptoms.
Bird flu has spread with alarming speed in recent weeks across Europe, Africa and parts of Asia, stoking fears the virus could mutate into a form that could easily pass from one person to another, triggering a pandemic in which millions could die.
Three people who worked in poultry coops at the farms where the virus was discovered were admitted to isolation units at Soroka Medical Centre in the southern Israeli city of Beersheba.
"All those who were in contact with fowl and have some sort of illness ... will be put in quarantine. Until proved otherwise ... they have bird flu," said hospital director Eitan Hayam. However, he said there was only a slim chance they had contracted the virus.
A fourth worker who had also been in contact with turkeys at a farm about 70km (45 miles) further north near the town of Kiryat Gat was admitted to hospital in Ashkelon.
Two farms were confirmed to have infected poultry. Tests were being carried out another two farms where H5N1 is suspected.
Agriculture Ministry officials said that starting Sunday morning, tens of thousands of fowl in the infected areas and their surroundings would be culled and the carcasses would be buried in underground pits.
In a rare act of co-operation, Israel was also testing dead fowl found in the West Bank and Gaza on behalf of the Palestinian Authority to try to control the spread of the virus.
SERBIAN CHILDREN
The four youngsters in hospital in Serbia come from a southwestern area close to the Bosnian border, where there was a suspected case of the deadly H5N1 strain in a cockerel.
"Three children were admitted to hospital today displaying symptoms of respiratory infection," Serbia's chief epidemiologist Predrag Kon told Reuters.
"Two of them have signs of a viral infection. All three are coming from the outbreak zone and came into contact with infected poultry."
A teenager put into isolation on Thursday after developing fever was also moved to hospital.
Although it is hard to catch, people can contract bird flu after coming into contact with infected birds. The World Health Organisation says at least 98 people have died from H5N1 so far.
Three women who died in Azerbaijan recently are also thought to be bird flu victims, but the WHO is awaiting the results of further tests before confirming the cause of deaths.
The risk of human infection means people must wear protective clothing when culling birds in areas where H5N1 has broken out. In Afghanistan, where bird flu was confirmed on Thursday, a lack of protective suits is delaying efforts to stop its spread, an agriculture ministry official said.
In further evidence of bird flu continuing to spread, Sweden confirmed it had found the H5 virus in a duck on a game farm in the east of the country, the European Union executive said.
Bird flu has shaken poultry markets around the world as consumers have lost their appetites for chicken, with some countries reporting a drop in sales of up to 70 percent.
The EU banned poultry imports from Israel after the discovery of H5N1 there, the EU's executive Commission said.
Ukupno četvoro dece u karantinu
17. mart 2006. | 08:15 -> 21:55 | Izvor: B92, Beta
Bajina Bašta, Užice -- Još troje dece smešteno je u karantin u užičkoj bolnici zbog sumnje da su zaraženi ptičjim gripom.
Ona su smeštena na infektivno odeljenje iz predostrožnosti, a rezlutati prvih analiza očekuju se uskoro. U karantinu se ukupno nalazi četvoro dece, dok su u žarištu zaraze na području Bajine Bašte još 24 osobe pod zdravstvenim nadzorom. Iz Ministarstva zdravlja poručuju da nema razloga za paniku, ali da je opreznost neophodna. U međuvremenu, u zaraženom području nastavlja se uništavanje živine.
Još troje dece u karantinu
Dečak iz Bajine Bašte za koga se sumnjalo da je zaražen virusom ptičjeg gripa danas nema povišenu temperaturu i oseća se dobro.
Dečak je nakon sumnje da je bio u kontaktu sa zaraženom živinom i zbog povišene temperature stavljen pod epidemiološki nadzor, ali s obzirom na to da već dva dana nema povišenu temperaturu, pretpostavlja se da ipak nije zaražen ptičjim gripom.
Direktor užičke bolnice, Darko Marinković, kaže da se dečak nalazi pod nadzorom lekara u kućnom karantinu i da je u ekipi specijalista i jedan iz Svetske zdravstvene organizacije. „Dečak je dobro. Nema znakova temperature. U svakom slučaju će se postupiti onako kako taj plan aktivnosti predviđa. Po procenama sa terena, odlučeno je da za sada nema potrebe za hospitalizacijom. Mi smo bili dužni da se pripremimo za svaku mogućnost“, izjavio je Marinković.
Član Radne grupe Ministarstva zdravlja za sprečavanje širenja ptičjeg gripa, epidemiolog Veljko Đerković, izjavio je za B92 da je povišena temperatura kod osobe koja se nalazila u neposrednoj blizini uginule živine dovoljan znak da se "po proceduri proglasi sumnja na ptičji grip". Đerković ističe da procedura podrazumeva obaveznu izolaciju pacijenta od 72 sata, do odbacivanja dijagnoze.
U žarištu ptičjeg gripa kod Bajine Bašte, gde je laboratorijski uspostavljena sumnja na ptičji grip kod jednog uginulog pevca, bilo je 16 ljudi iz četiri domaćinstva. Međutim, Đerković kaže da nema mesta panici, jer je situacija nešto što je definisano u procedurama i postupcima. Ukoliko u Bajinoj Bašti bude potvrđeno prvo oboljenje čoveka na ptičiji grip, užička bolnica potpuno je spremna za vanrednu situaciju. Direktor užičkog Zdravstvenog centra, Darko Marinković kaže da je pripremljen karantin, odnosno iseljen je prostor infektivnog dodeljenja.
"Imamo dovoljan broj i lekara i medicinskih sestara. Imamo dovoljno i lekova i opreme koja može biti potrebna za takve slučajeve “, rekao je Marinković.
U Bajinu Baštu je pored domaćih specijalističkih timova, danas stigao i predstavnik Svetske zdravstvene organizacije koji nadgleda situaciju.
Na području Bačkog Monoštora stanje stabilno
Situacija u Bačkom Monoštoru, u kojem je potvrđen prvi slučaj ptičjeg gripa u Srbiji, je stabilna i pod kontrolom, ocenili su danas članovi Odbora Skupštine Vojvodine za urbanizam, prostorno planiranje i zaštitu životne sredine.
Predstavnik Veterinarskog specijalističkog instituta u Somboru Bratislav Kisin rekao je da se sve preduzete mere zbog pojave ptičjeg gripa u celosti poštuju.
Pomoćnik pokrajinskog sekretara za zaštitu životne sredine Slobodan Puzović rekao je da je migracioni talas ptica preko Srbije pri kraju. "Očekujemo uskoro rode i laste i ne bi valjalo da se one plaše, ubijaju ili da im se ruše gnezda, jer to može imati veoma loše dalje posledice", naveo je on.
Puzović je skrenuo pažnju na naučna mišljenja koja dolaze u poslednje vreme iz Evrope, po kojima su labudovi zarazu dobili od čoveka, a ne od drugih ptica. "Migracioni putevi ptica i žarišta gde je pronađen virus ptičjeg gripa se ne poklapaju, pa otuda i mišljenje da je prenosilac zaraze čovek, a ne ptica", kazao je on. => ( zvuci totalno glupo - labudivi i nisu u nekoj uskoj vezi s covjekom koliko jesu sa ostalim pticama)
Santana
18.03.2006., 13:58
Puzović je skrenuo pažnju na naučna mišljenja koja dolaze u poslednje vreme iz Evrope, po kojima su labudovi zarazu dobili od čoveka, a ne od drugih ptica. "Migracioni putevi ptica i žarišta gde je pronađen virus ptičjeg gripa se ne poklapaju, pa otuda i mišljenje da je prenosilac zaraze čovek, a ne ptica", kazao je on
Ma kreten. Koja naucna misljenja? Primarni vektor sigurno nisu labudovi, oni su zrtve, al 99.99% je sigurno da je vektor bilo koja druga vrsta osim covjeka. A izbijanje bolesti ne da se poklapa s migracionim putevima ptica selica, nego se turbo poklapa. Il ga ljudi svaki put donesu u nekakvu mocvarnu zabit di se ptice selice odmaraju? Totalni kreten.
El Tomo
18.03.2006., 14:11
Je li Uzice blizu rumunjske granice?
Kako ne znas gdje je (Titovo) Uzice? :D :D :D
Pa nas su ucili o tome u osnovnoj skoli - uzicka republika, 1. neprijateljska ofenziva, i tako to... :D
Kako ne znas gdje je (Titovo) Uzice? :D :D :D
Pa nas su ucili o tome u osnovnoj skoli - uzicka republika, 1. neprijateljska ofenziva, i tako to... :D
Ja sam tamo cak i bila kao sesnaestogodisnjakinja na radnoj akciji ali puno je godina proslo i sve mi se pomjesalo :D
Proucavajuci pticju gripu naucis i geografiju :)
Nego potvrdjena je da je jedna osoba umrla u Egiptu od pticje gripe a cetvero hospitaliziranih u Izraelu su negativni.
Indonesian health officials have expressed worries about the likelihood of human-to-human bird flu virus transmission due to the growing cases of bird flu clusters, a newspaper said Friday.
Cluster cases, which is growing rapidly in the country, are defined as several members of a household or neighborhood falling sick at the same time.
"We can't guess when the spread of the virus among humans will occur because it will need a thorough examination of the source of the virus from each patient in a cluster," the spokesman and head of the bird flu surveillance unit at Jakarta's Sulianti Saroso Hospital, Ilham Patu, was quoted by The Jakarta Post as saying.
"But the fact that we have more and more cases of bird flu clusters shows that we are very close to having one."
Health Minister Siti Fadillah Supari said Wednesday the country had the highest number of bird flu cluster fatalities in the world, with six reported so far. Indonesia also has the world's highest mortality percentage, with 18 fatalities of the 26 people who have tested positive for the H5N1 virus since July last year.
The minister said the virus appeared to be more virulent and there was a growing probability of human-to-human transmission.
The World Health Organization said it had not found any evidence of changing characteristics of the virus' transmission here.
"We still have Indonesia at level three. Although it means the bird flu virus still comes from animal (hosts), we don't rule out the imminent possibility that limited viral transmission between humans could occur," WHO public relations officer Sari Setiogi said.
Avian influenza – situation in Azerbaijan - update 2
21 March 2006
Samples from 11 patients under investigation in Azerbaijan for possible H5N1 infection have now been tested at a WHO collaborating laboratory in the United Kingdom. Positive H5N1 results were obtained for seven of these patients. Five cases were fatal.
Today and tomorrow are official holidays in Azerbaijan. The government will issue an official statement on the situation shortly.
Six of the cases occurred in Salyan Rayon in the south-eastern part of the country. All six cases resided in the small Daikyand settlement of around 800 homes.
A 17-year-old girl died on 23 February. Her first cousin, a 20-year-old woman, died on 3 March. The 16-year-old brother of this woman died on 10 March. A 17-year-old girl, a close friend of the family, died on 8 March. All four of these cases lived together or near each other. The source of their infection is presently under investigation.
The additional two cases in Salyan involve a 10-year-old boy, who has recovered, and a 15-year-old girl, who is hospitalized in critical condition.
The seventh case occurred in a 21-year-old woman from the western rayon of Tarter. She died on 9 March.
Two additional patients, from Salyan and the adjacent rayon of Neftchela, have been hospitalized with symptoms of bilateral pneumonia. Testing of these patients is presently under way.
Last week, WHO strengthened its field team in Azerbaijan to include experts in clinical management and infection control and additional senior epidemiologists.
Over the weekend, a field investigation in Salyan, jointly conducted by WHO and the Azeri Ministry of Health, found some evidence that carcasses of numerous swans, dead for some weeks but not buried, may have been collected by residents as a source of feathers. In this community, the defeathering of birds is a task usually undertaken by adolescent girls and young women. The WHO team is today investigating whether this practice may have been the source of infection in Daikyand, where the majority of cases have occurred in females between the ages of 15 and 20 years. Interviews with surviving family members have failed to uncover a history of direct exposure to dead or diseased poultry for several of the cases.
Excellent collaboration between the Ministry of Health and the WHO team continues. WHO is confident that ongoing house-to-house surveillance for cases of influenza-like illness, undertaken by more than 90 local medical teams in Salyan and Tarter, will detect patients requiring further investigation. On-site diagnostic capacity continues to be provided by the US Naval Medical Research Unit 3 (NAMRU-3). A better understanding of the situation in animals is, however, urgently needed.
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2006_03_21a/en/
.....The six cases around Salyan had come close to matching the first epidemiological signs of the possible emergence of a pandemic strain of flu under guidelines currently being compiled by a team of international health experts.
"Absolutely," Thompson confirmed, after being asked about the similarity.
"Although we had the initial concerns, as we point out in the containment guidelines, when you get a cluster like this it's essential to investigate these rapidly, you have to know rapidly what's going on," he added.
Four of the Salyan cluster involved members of the same family and a close friend, the WHO said. All died, starting with a 17-year-old girl on February 23.
A 10-year-old boy from the area had recovered while a 15-year-old girl was in a critical condition in hospital, the UN health agency said.
"We were looking for other signs that this could be human-to-human transmission -- other people, close contacts, other family members, people living in the house of one of the victims, the possibility of health care workers becoming sick," Thompson explained. "We didn't see any of that." .........
http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=18325
Santana
22.03.2006., 09:54
Hmm, blizu, ali nije to josh to. Ovo slici na Tursku i Indoneziju, clusteri unutar familija. Nije mi jasno zakaj WHO josh uvijek pokusava dokazati samo kontakt s mrtvim pticama, kad imamo i zive i mrtve ptice i sisavce s H5N1. Ocito je dosta zarazna mrcina u opticaju, ali probudite me kad se razbole novinari i/ili medicinske sestre :)
Santana
22.03.2006., 10:04
Od ostalih novosti:
Sad imamo dva podtipa H5N1 virusa koji zarazuju ljude.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060320223524.htm
ili
http://www.plivazdravlje.hr/?section=home&cat=w&id=12787&show=1
"In 2005 a second strain of H5N1 began causing disease in humans in Indonesia. Analysis of the Indonesia strain found that it belongs to genotype Z clade 2, a subgroup of the virus that previously was not known to cause human disease. Clade 1 and clade 2 viruses may share the same ancestor but are different and can be be likened to cousins."
Zatim, netko je josh 2002 kopao po pticama iz perioda 1915-1919
http://www.mnh.si.edu/publicaffairs/releases/influenza.pdf
i dosao do zakljucka
"1918 HUMAN INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC NO LONGER LINKED TO BIRDS"
"The scientific team isolated and sequenced a portion of the HA gene from a bird
captured in 1917. Comparisons of this sequence with that of the 1918 pandemic virus suggest that the pandemic viral HA gene was not derived directly from an avian source."
Neznam koliko je to bitno, rad je iz 2002, mislim da ima novijih radova koji su "dokazali" upravo suprotno, no ovo je prvi put da sam naletio na neko istrazivanje na pticama iz tog vremena.
I trece, al to smo vec znali
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2006/March/theworld_March635.xml§ion=theworld
""Our findings indicate that H5N1 virus... can replicate efficiently only in cells in the lower region of the respiratory tract, where the avian virus receptor is prevalent," the paper says. "This restriction may contribute to the inefficient human-to-human transmission of H5N1 viruses seen to date.""
Otprilike, ne kaci se za receptore u visem respiratornom traktu (nos, grlo) i ne tjera nas na kihanje i kasljanje. Zato se i ne siri lako ko obicna gripa.
Hmm, blizu, ali nije to josh to. Ovo slici na Tursku i Indoneziju, clusteri unutar familija. Nije mi jasno zakaj WHO josh uvijek pokusava dokazati samo kontakt s mrtvim pticama, kad imamo i zive i mrtve ptice i sisavce s H5N1. Ocito je dosta zarazna mrcina u opticaju, ali probudite me kad se razbole novinari i/ili medicinske sestre :)
da.
cekam i ja med. sestre, ali sve dok nije airborne, nece se razboliti, inace, fakat je dovoljno nositi rukavice i prati ruke, dezinficirati, ne dirati si oci i usta, kod kontaktnih bolestina (inace bi na zaraznim odjelima u bolnicama radili roboti :)
step by step
who je malo zivnuo zadnjih dana
zgodno je ovo trazenje ptica po selima, uvijek ces naci neku pticu na selu, ak je trazis :)
neki infektolog je, a propos zadnje analize i pretpostavke potrebnih mutacija za h2h , kad su ga pitali: ako nema jos potrebne mutacije za lagano vezanje za receptore sisavca, kak se onda toliki ljudi uspiju zaraziti?
rekao otprilike: he, he, nije tak jednostavno i ne ovisi samo o mutaciji....
WHO je potvrdio da je u Azerbejdzanu 5 od 7 potvrdjenih ljudskih slucajeva umrlo - no interesantno opet djeca kao i u Turskoj :(
Niman (Izvor: Nature) : Our findings indicate that although H5N1 viruses preferentially recognizing SA2,3Gal can be transmitted from birds to humans, they can replicate efficiently only in cells in the lower region of the respiratory tract, where the avian-virus receptor is prevalent. This restriction may contribute to the inefficient human-to-human transmission of H5N1 viruses seen so far, and indicates that unimpeded transmission of the virus might require acquisition of the ability to recognize SA2,6Gal. This change would enable the virus to replicate in the upper region of the respiratory tract, where it could be readily spread by sneezing and coughing. Mutations in the viral haemagglutinin molecule would be necessary to confer SA2,6Gal-binding ability on H5N1 avian viruses, although amino-acid substitutions in other viral proteins, including PB2 (refs 7, 8), may be required to confer pandemic potential on avian viruses that can efficiently replicate in humans.
http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=43578
Dakle do pandemije je ostalo da virus stekne mogucnost da prepozna SA2,6Gal sto bi mu omogucilo sirenje preko kaslja i kihanja
deatwin
23.03.2006., 10:55
Dakle do pandemije je ostalo da virus stekne mogucnost da prepozna SA2,6Gal sto bi mu omogucilo sirenje preko kaslja i kihanja
Da li će, naseljavajući se na receptore u višem respiratornom traktu (što bi mu omogućilo učinkovitije širenje) izgubiti na snazi demiđa koji izaziva u plućima? Ili je to u stvari isto, jer će se snagom boleštine povlačiti prema plućima i tamo činiti isto što čini i sada?
Patagonija
23.03.2006., 22:31
Ima li šta novog što bih trebala znati? :zubo:
Nekako sam u zadnje vrijeme, u moru drugih nedaća, zapostavila ptičju gripu... a ne bih je željela razljutiti :D
slučaj 29-godišnje žene koja je preminula u šangaju od vrlo vjerojatno h5n1 zasad izgleda kao novost zbog toga što se nigdje ne spominje kontakt s oboljelom peradi. ipak, uvjeren sam da će netko, who npr. kasnije naći nekakav kontakt. na osnovu škrtih informacija koje dolaze iz kine se može samo spekulirati.
Da li će, naseljavajući se na receptore u višem respiratornom traktu (što bi mu omogućilo učinkovitije širenje) izgubiti na snazi demiđa koji izaziva u plućima? Ili je to u stvari isto, jer će se snagom boleštine povlačiti prema plućima i tamo činiti isto što čini i sada?
To se ne zna niti moze pretpotstavit.
Citala sam negdje da je i visoka patogenost u neku ruku cak i dobra jer ubija hosta i sprijecava daljnje sirenje.
slučaj 29-godišnje žene koja je preminula u šangaju od vrlo vjerojatno h5n1 zasad izgleda kao novost zbog toga što se nigdje ne spominje kontakt s oboljelom peradi. ipak, uvjeren sam da će netko, who npr. kasnije naći nekakav kontakt. na osnovu škrtih informacija koje dolaze iz kine se može samo spekulirati.
I ja sam primjetila da se ne spominje kontakt s peradi ali da se spominje da se 'zna tko je bio u kontaktu s umrlom', vjerojatno se radi i cistim mjerama predostroznosti ali ovakve vijesti iz Kine o zarazenima iz velikih gradova svakako nisu ugodne za cut.
No posto se radi o emigrantu u kini, moguce je da je osoba pticju gripu dobila i drugdje a ne u Shanghai-u
Yahoo: Mrtva ptica zarazena H5N1 nadjena na jednom balkonu zgrade u njemackom glavnom gradu Berlinu
Bird flu reaches German capital
Fri Mar 24, 1:10 PM ET
BERLIN (AFP) -
Bird flu reached the German capital when it was confirmed that a dead buzzard found on the balcony of an apartment block was infected with the H5N1 form of the virus.
The infected bird was found in the eastern Berlin district of Marzahn, authorities for the city state of Berlin said.
Tests were being carried out to establish whether it was the highly pathogenic strain of bird flu which has been responsible for more than 100 human deaths, mainly in Asia, since 2003.
The discovery means seven of Germany's 16 regional states have now recorded cases of the virus.
The city's health minister Heidi Knake-Werner said that no other infected birds had been found nearby, leading authorities to believe it was an isolated case. But Berlin was "well-prepared if it proves to be serious".
http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20060321-121333-6471r.htm
10 kokosi uginulo na farmi u Hotinja Vas kraj Maribora
Rezultati se ocekuju ovaj tjedan.
Objavljeno 21/03/06
Slovenia suspects first poultry bird flu
Mar. 21, 2006 at 12:30PM
Slovenia's disease center said 10 hens died at a farm and veterinary officials suspect the incidents mark the first cases of bird flu in poultry in the country.
According to the veterinary officials, 10 chickens died Monday in a small farm at Hotinja Vas near Maribor, in northeastern Slovenia close to the border with Austria.
Officials ordered disinfection of the farm and introducing limits on the movement of people in the area.
Bird flu test results are expected this week.
dijete staro godinu dana je umrlo od potvrđeno h5n1 u indoneziji. još su dva djeteta od 6 i 10 mjeseci bila ili još jesu u indonezijskim bolnicama pod sumnjom na bf. jendogodišnje dijete vjerojatno hoda, i moglo je doći do virusa i vlastitom aktivnošću. naravno i zaraza hranom koja je zagađena dolazi u obzir. svejedno, ovo govori o jakoj prisutnosti virusa u indoneziji, ima ga na svakom koraku. mutacija istovremenom infekcijom s dva virusa u istom domaćinu je izvjesnija nego igdje. dakle, prorijeđuju se slučajevi jasnog kontakta s oboljelom peradi, a ostali, gdje takav kontakt nije jasan, događaju se istovremeno na različitim dijeovima azije (šangajski slučaj).
Srbija je potvrdila prisustvo H5N1 u peradi. Radi se o peradi nadjenoj na farmi na granici Srbija i Bosne i Hercegovine - pretpostavljam vlasnistvo iste obitelji kod koje se sumnjalo na ljudske slucajeve i vise od 30 ljudi u ovoj oblasti je pod kontantnim medicinskim nadzorom.
Serbia Confirms Bird Flu at Domestic Fowl
World in Brief: 26 March 2006, Sunday.
Serbia has confirmed the first case of a domestic bird infected with the lethal H5N1 strain of avian flu virus. The rooster was found on March 15at the border with Bosnia and Herzegovina. The 10km perimeter around the site has been declared a risk zone. The test results have been confirmed by the European Union reference laboratory in Weybridge, UK. As a precautionary measure, more than 30 people in the affected area were under intense medical supervision. In the meantime, veterinarians are monitoring all fowl in a 10 km radius.
slučaj 29-godišnje žene koja je preminula u šangaju od vrlo vjerojatno h5n1 zasad izgleda kao novost zbog toga što se nigdje ne spominje kontakt s oboljelom peradi. ipak, uvjeren sam da će netko, who npr. kasnije naći nekakav kontakt. na osnovu škrtih informacija koje dolaze iz kine se može samo spekulirati.
Bird flu victim in Shanghai sickened after buying chickens at city market
By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN Associated Press Writer
SHANGHAI, China
A woman who died last week from bird flu in Shanghai became sick after buying chickens from a street market where stall owners flouted a ban on live poultry sales, a magazine reported Monday.
Shanghai officials have so far refused to say how the 29-year-old migrant worker became ill, although they say they have traced those who had contact with her and boosted flu detection measures.
However, the respected financial magazine Caijing said its own investigation showed Li became sick after buying two chickens from a stall outside the downtown Tangjiawan market on March 8.
Nemam sad bas vremena istrazivat ..
Ima li itko od vas dokaza o prenosu H5N1 na ribe i skoljke?
Nesto se suska o tome cini mi se u njemackim medijima..sto bi moglo znacit da je onaj tip sto je pisao u Slobodnoj Dalmaciji o tome prije par mjeseci bio u pravu..
Evo mali update:
Egipat - u osam ljudi se sumnja na H5N1, cetvero umrlo
Rumunjska: nasli su H5N1 u mrtve sove
Svedska: nasli su H5N1 u kune
Jordan: pticja gripa nadjena u Egipcanina
Indonezija - boga pitaj koliko jos slucajeve, vise se ne broji
Kina - 400 studenata hospitalizirano zbog nepoznate gripe
Ceska i Svicarska - novi slucajevi kod ptica
Ukrajina - novi slucajevi kod domace peradi
Afganistan - Jos tri slucaja kod kojis se sumnja na H5N1
Irak - Potrdjena jos jedna smrt u Bagdadu od H5N1
Indija - nebrojeni slucajevi u peradi
Azerbejdzan - novi slucajevi kod ljudi - sumnja se na H5N1
u kini se čini radi o sezonskoj gripi, ako nije neka druga viroza. velika većina je otpuštena iz bolnice doma, a kako je sve počelo u ponedjeljak 26.03., i do danas nije bilo smrtnih slučajeva, lako je moguće da se samo radilo o hospitaliziranju iz predostrožnosti, a ne iz medicinski opravdanih razloga.
indonezija i ostali slučajevi pokazuju kako je i ova varijanta bf dovoljno opasna čak ako i ostaje razmjerno nisko infektivna kako je danas. u sredinama s lošom sanitacijom kao što su ruralni krajevi azije okolina je prilično zasićena virusom, što opravdava mjere držanja peradi u zatvorenom u nas. prijelaz i cirkuliranje u tom miljeu znači i obolijevanje ljudi.
lani, se s podizanjem temperatura i produžavanjem insolacije, smanjio i broj oboljelih u aziji. nastavak obolijevanja istim intenzitetom kao u hladnom dijelu godine bi bio nešto novo.
i dalje nema indicija da bi ovaj soj trebao postati pandemijski. imo, ista meta isto ostojanje. donji dišni putevi i probavni sustav, niska zaraznost, možda ako tako i ostane
H5 je potvrdjena u mrtvog labuda nadjenom u Fife V Britanija.. sutra ce se znat da li je H5N1...
U Egiptu se od H5N1 razbolila 16tomjesecna beba i to je deveti slucaj pticje gripe kod ljudi u Egiptu ( u zadnjih 20tak dana)
Njemacka je potvrdila prisustvo H5N1 u peradi.
Ptičja gripa u Zagrebu
Centar za peradarstvo Hrvatskog veterinarskog instituta utvrdio je prisutnost virusa H5 kod labuda, koji je pronađen blizu Save, između gradilišta Sveučilišne bolnice i motela Plitvice u Zagrebu.
Ministarstvo poljoprivrede, šumarstva i vodnog gospodarstva priopćilo je da se očekuju daljnje analize radi utvrđivanja podtipa N.
Odmah nakon dobivanja nalaza, ekipe veterinarskih inspektora obavile su pregled terena te konstatirale da u krugu od tri kilometra nema domaće peradi ni drugih vrsta ptica.
U krugu od 10 kilometara od mjesta gdje je pronađen uginuli labud nalazi se jedna velika peradarska farma, na kojoj su naređene i poduzete pojedinačne bio-sigurnosne mjere.
Stručnom opservacijom terena utvrđeno je da za sada nema nikakvih rizika od širenja bolesti, a ekipe veterinara i veterinarskih inspektora budno će pratiti stanje na području od tri do deset kilometara, ističe se u priopćenju.
O nalazu podtipa N Ministarstvo će izvijestiti odmah nakon dobivanja rezultata, najvjerojatnije u ponedjeljak.
Također još jednom podsjeća da je na snazi mjera obaveznog držanja peradi u zatvorenim prostorima, te ističe kako je "posebno bitno pridržavati se (te mjere) u tom razdoblju kada su migracije ptica najintenzivnije".
http://www.iskon.hr/vijesti/page/2006/04/08/0006006.html
*sanika*
08.04.2006., 21:38
danas sam bila u slavoniji, kokica u slobodnom hodu ima na svakom koraku ...:eek:
a ako su zatvorene, onda je to samo ograda okolo naokolo, a gore ..ništa...:flop:
Ja uopce ne vjerujem da H5N1 nema u peradi ovdje oko mene.. polako izlaze na vidjelo sve neregularnosti kojima se stanje prikriva..
Zanima me za jaja: jedete li jaja i da li mislite da kajgana npr ubija virus ako ga ima u jajima.. znam jaje utvrdo je sigurno, jaje na oko ne bih jela niti pod razno ..ali sto je s kajganom i kuhanjem na pari ( kolachi)
El Tomo
12.04.2006., 20:39
Zanima me za jaja: jedete li jaja i da li mislite da kajgana npr ubija virus ako ga ima u jajima.. znam jaje utvrdo je sigurno, jaje na oko ne bih jela niti pod razno ..ali sto je s kajganom i kuhanjem na pari ( kolachi)
Ja jedem kajganu, ali tako da je dobro skuham. A to znaci barem 10-ak minuta na ulju zagrijanom na cca 200-ak stupnjeva. Mislim kako tu nema sanse da ista prezivi. Jaje na oko ne jedem. I dobro perem ruke i sude u kojem se nalazilo sirovo jaje. Opreza nikada dosta.
Ja ne jedem jaja, a moram priznati da sam priličo zapanjena nemarom koji ljudi pokazuju - evo sad za Uskrs sa svih strana čujem da ljudi ispuhuju jaja, čak u vrtićima od djece traže da donesu takva ispuhana jaja. Stvarno neki minimum opreza bi trebao postojati :flop:
WHO ( Svjetska zdravstvena organizacija) dala je savjet da se NE JEDU sirova jaja ili uportebljavaju u hrani/kolacima itd.. te da su sigurna za jelo tek nakon minute kuhanja sredista jaja na 80 stupnjeva celzijusa.
ovo je specijalno za podrucja gdje se vec zna za postojanje pticje gripe
Isto tako ljuske jaja su opasne i dodirivanje svjezeg zumanjca i bjelanjca, nikad ne treba istim priborom dodirivati nekuhano i kuhano jelo i treba poslije dodirivanaj dobro oprati ruke i pribor.
Tako nekako glasi savjet WHO-a.
Sto se tice mesa, situacija je slicna..
Ja jedem kajganu, ali tako da je dobro skuham. A to znaci barem 10-ak minuta na ulju zagrijanom na cca 200-ak stupnjeva. Mislim kako tu nema sanse da ista prezivi. Jaje na oko ne jedem. I dobro perem ruke i sude u kojem se nalazilo sirovo jaje. Opreza nikada dosta.
Ma nemoj zafrkavati, pa kakva ti je kajgana nakon 10 minuta na vreloj tavi?!!!
El Tomo
13.04.2006., 12:38
Ma nemoj zafrkavati, pa kakva ti je kajgana nakon 10 minuta na vreloj tavi?!!!
A j**** ga, bolje i to nego da 'slucajno' krepam od nekakve pticje gripe. Istna, kajgana je nikakva, suha, ali dobra slanina jako poboljsava okus. Sama jaja bez dodataka vec nisam jeo stoljecima...
banderas
14.04.2006., 13:09
A palačinke? :D
Britanska vlada uvela je skuplji od prosjecnog telefonski broj ( 30p po minuti - inace je 5 p po minuti) za sve one koji zele izvjestiti vladu da su nasli mrtvu pricu
Novinari Daily Mail- a izracunali su da ce prosjecni gradjanin platiti 75p ako zeli izvjestiti vladu o nalasku mrtve ptice ali u slucaju Velike Britanije jedino ce se reagirati ako se nadje vise od 5 mrtvih ptica iste vrste ili jedan mrtvi labud .
U toku snimljenog telefonskog razgovora vlada ce savjetovat gradjaninu da stavi rukavice i baci mrtvu pticu u smece. :(
After dialling 0845 9335577, a recorded message kicks in after one ring.
A female voice invites our caller to visit www.defra. gov.uk "for advice on how to protect your birds from avian flu" or for enquiries about the poultry register.
It continues: "If you are worried about the health of birds you keep, please contact your private vet. To report deaths of groups of wild birds or individual swans, geese or ducks, please say 'one'. For all other enquiries, please say 'two'."
After the caller says "one", the call is transferred and answered after three rings by a female call centre employee. This takes 60 seconds
"Good morning, The Defra helpline. How may I help you?"
Hi. I am not sure if I should be calling because it concerns only one dead bird and I know you had been asking for reports of three or more.
"No, that's fine. We will log it in the system and give you a reference number."
Even when it is just one bird? It is not a swan or a duck.
Yes. It just means we won't come out and collect and investigate it. But we will log it and give you a reference to use if you ring again. It helps us see if there are patterns and any others in your area.
Fine
. Do you know what bird it is?
I think it is a starling. And what county are you in?
Surrey. And your name?
Mrs Cook. Is the bird in your garden?
Well, it is in my stable yard which adjoins the garden, yes. Can I take your address and phone number?
Caller gives her details. Do you feel comfortable disposing of the bird yourself?
Oh yes. Just make sure you don't touch it. Use gloves or a spade.
Yes, yes I will. Your reference is 08522861. Give that number if you need to call again. That will be put in today and you might get a call if they find quite a few reports in your area.
Okay.
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nisam sve citala pa ne znam jel netko napisao...prije neki dan je nadjena mrtva guska u preckom, bila je murija itd....
ja se cak bojim da bi nasi bili u stanju zataskat event losu vijest...
Rode su došle prije 14 dana.
Laste sa vidila u četvrtak.
Jedna familija vrabaca pod strehom ima prvo leglo.
Jučer su divlje patke plivale po potoku.
Nema mrtvih ptica.
U Engleskoj kokoši slobodno šetaju, a kod njih su i lude krave krenule pa se malo i nama htilo uvalit, ovo je lažna uzbuna kao SARS i služi samo tome da se Hrvatsku prisili da podvije rep na EU standarde. Veterinarske inspekcije od zadnje objave uopće nisu kontrolirale stanje na terenu.
Mojih 10 kokoša veselo šetaju po dvorištu od utorka i ako ih itko odluči eutanazirat ja ću ih prenjet na Markov trg u ponoć pa neka se malo prošetaju pred saborom. Cijela ova prića je sramota za našu Vladu, naše veterinare i dobar udar po džepu hrvatskog selaka.:mad:
i služi samo tome da se Hrvatsku prisili da podvije rep na EU standarde.
Ma pomislila sam i ja da je to sto perad i ptice masovno krepavaju po cijelom svijetu i poneki covjek ulovi bolest i umre ( i u zadnje vrijeme sve vishe i vishe) sigurno neka svjetska urota protiv Hrvatske :D ;)
da li je i voda u jezerima,rijekama gdje su nađene mrtve ptice zarazene virusom također otrovna ????
?? ??
Ma pomislila sam i ja da je to sto perad i ptice masovno krepavaju po cijelom svijetu i poneki covjek ulovi bolest i umre ( i u zadnje vrijeme sve vishe i vishe) sigurno neka svjetska urota protiv Hrvatske :D ;)
Što je masovno?
Ovo u Hrvatskoj sigurno nije, bar nije bilo prije ljudi u bijelom.:E
da li je i voda u jezerima,rijekama gdje su nađene mrtve ptice zarazene virusom također otrovna ????
?? ??
Voda nije otrovna ali se virus H5N1 moze sacuvati u vodi i kontaminirati vodu.
WHO spominje nekoliko nacina moguceg prenosa H5N1 putem vode:
1. kad se kisnica koristi za pice
2. kad se rezervoar vode zagadi preko mrtvih ptica ili njihovog izmeta
3. kad se voda koristi rekreacijski npr za plivanje
4. kad izmet ljudi koji imaju H5N1 preko kanalizacije dodje u vodu koja se koristi.
WHO navodi 2 slucaja u Vijetnamu gdje su se 2 zrtve kupale u vodi u koju je netko baci mrtvu perad is l i obe osobe su se zarazile.
Što je masovno?
Ovo u Hrvatskoj sigurno nije, bar nije bilo prije ljudi u bijelom.:E
Naravno da je masovno i to u peradi i narocito ako nije kontrolirano tj ako se
perad ne stiti od dodira sa zarazenim pticama.
Pogledaj samo Rumunjsku, Italiju, Rusiju, Njemacku, Francusku.. Ukrajinu da ne spominjemo ili Nigeriju i Tursku.
H5N1 je nadjena u peradi u Srboji i Bosni i Albaniji, i Grckoj i Turskoj i Rumunjskoj, Italiji, Austriji, Njemackoj itd.. koje jesu blizu Hrvatske.. a ptice selice ne mogu znati granice drzava..
V Britanija nije na ruti ptica selica i mislili su da ce ovaj put lisho proc zbog toga ali nazalost nade im se nisu obistinile.
http://www.today.az/news/society/25301.html
Today.Az » Society » Since March 5 there is no suspicion for Bird flu in Azerbaijan
19 April 2006 [14:00] - Today.Az
Number of Bird flu virus-infected people in Azerbaijan totaled 13, 5 of which died regardless of treatment, Chief Epidemiologist of the Ministry of Health Ibadullah Agayev stated.
These people were treated in SRI "Pulmonary diseases" and Infection Disease Hospital No.7, Trend reports.
"There has been no suspicion for this virus in Azerbaijan since March 4," - Agayev said.
International organizations are satisfied with the action Azerbaijan takes under the Bird flu program. Agayev underlined this fact saying he witnessed that at the conferences in China and Turkey.
"Center of Innovations and Supply with the Ministry of Health has enough medications for the case of the second wave of Bird flu," - he said.
Što je masovno?
Ovo u Hrvatskoj sigurno nije, bar nije bilo prije ljudi u bijelom.:E
pa i hrvatska je na okrajku puteva selica...
anyway, svake godine je ovak, kako stize ljeto i dani su dulji, svi se otresaju crnih misli, zimske epidemije ustupaju mjesto ljetnim, na gripu se zaboravlja.
mrtve ptice? vracaju se kliconose, zdrave i snazne, selektirane zimskom epidemijom. osim toga virus ubija sunce, cekajmp jesen kaj se tice hrvatske, a u aziji bas ne vidim neko poboljsanje....
a veterinari budu uvijek krivi, ako ubiju i nema epidemije i ak ne ubiju pa se pojavi epidemija. ovo je inace tak sredjena drzava, jedino veterinari kvare prosjek:D , stasemoze.
nema veze, jos mjesec dana i ovaj topic ce izgledati suludo i nerealno.....do jeseni, a onda novo kolo izvlacenja sretnih dobitnika h5n1.
dnas sam slusala na radio zagrebu u autu dobru emisiju o
neodgovoreno je
zasto je bilo u turskoj onako gadno i zasto h5n1 daje tako mnogo lazno negativnih rezultata, kaze nabarro, "kao ni jwedan virus do sada"
jos je dodao kako cijela stvar opasno podsjeca na pocetke epidemije AIDS-a, kojoj je trebalo vise godina da se ustali.
U Makedoniji ( strumica) je neki covjek koji je uzgajao golubove umro na zaraznom odjelu sa simptoma slicnim H5N1 ali lokalne vlasti opovrgavju da je umro od H5N1
Vidjeno bezbroj puta dosad U Turskoj, Egiptu, Iraku itd.
Kad umre jos 2-3 ljudi onda ce odjednom potvrdit da se radi o H5N1
u V Britaniji nashli su h7 na tri farme peradi.( isti onaj koji se ranije pojavio u nizozemskoj)
Jedna osoba je zarazhena.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4958806.stm
Dosad je ubijeno 35 000 peradi na jednoj od tri farme a na ostalima slijedi isti postupak
Dr Niman je uvjeren da je kombinacija H7 i H5N1 ubitachna :D
u V Britaniji nashli su h7 na tri farme peradi.( isti onaj koji se ranije pojavio u nizozemskoj)
Jedna osoba je zarazhena.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4958806.stm
Dosad je ubijeno 35 000 peradi na jednoj od tri farme a na ostalima slijedi isti postupak
Dr Niman je uvjeren da je kombinacija H7 i H5N1 ubitachna :D
dr. niman mijenja stavove, ako smijem primijetiti:D
BUCHAREST, MAY 14
The situation in Brasov County, central Romania is the worst case scenario considering that, for the first time, the bird flu virus was identified at a poultry farm, and because many of the infected birds were sold in four counties, said health minister Eugen Nicolaescu.
The authorities in Brasov County ordered Sunday that the poultry farm in Codlea village would be closed down and the area placed under quarantine after confirming the existence of the H5 bird flu virus.
The authorities said, subsequent to the epidemiological investigation, that the H5 bird flu virus was identified at Drakom Silva poultry farm from which a salesperson in Fagaras town bought poultry and sold them to several inhabitants in Hurez village where the bird flu was identified Friday.
The local authorities say that Drakom Silva poultry farm registers almost 118,000 birds and around 2,800 of them have died so far.
Given the situation, the Central Anti-epizootic Department banned any poultry transportation on Romania’s territory.
The data provided by the authorities indicate the fact that this is the only active bird flu outbreak at present and the first in Transylvania, central Romania.
The first bird flu outbreak was confirmed on October 14, 2005 in Ceamurlia de Jos -Tulcea County, eastern Romania, one week since identifying the first suspect bird flu cases and the area was placed under quarantine.
In the months to come, the bird flu also affected nine counties where 53 outbreaks were identified, of which 14 outbreaks only in Constanta County- southeastern Romania, and other counties such as Braila, Buzau, Calarasi, Dambovita, Dolj, Ialomita, Ilfov and Tulcea, southeastern Romania.
The bird flu virus was also identified on wild fowls found dead in Buzau, Constanta, Olt and Vaslui counties.
To prevent the bird flu from spreading, the authorities placed under quarantine the areas where the bird flu virus was identified, culled the infected poultry and paid damages to their owners.
Over 420,000 birds from 16,100 households were culled and the costs with the disinfection, lab tests and so on reach RON11.2 million.
The last outbreak in Deleni village, Constanta county, southeastern Romania, was seen fading on April 21.
link (http://www.birdflubreakingnews.com/templates/birdflu/window.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediafax.ro%2Fengl ish%2Farticole-free%2FBird-Flu-Outbreak-In-Brasov-County--Central-Romania--Is-The-Worst-Case-Scenario-So-Far-----Health-Minister-489467-9.html)
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Recombinomics Commentary
May 14, 2006
An Indonesian toddler who had tested positive for bird flu according to local tests died on Sunday, a senior health ministry official said.
The 18-month boy's blood sample has been sent to a World Health Organisation-affiliated laboratory in Hong Kong for confirmation.
The above comments indicate the sixth family member has died. Local reports had reported the death on Friday, but reports had been conflicting. The above new report confirms that the patient has died and has tested positive for H5N1. The six deaths from one family is the most H5N1 deaths reported for a familial cluster.
Currently two other family members with symptoms are still alive. One, Jonnes Ginting, is hospitalized, while another, Obvious Ulina Ginting, is being treated at home in Karo.
Recombinomics Commentary
May 14, 2006
Three patients were treated in intensive maintenance space (ICU), one him again in the Intensive Cempaka Maintenance. The patient beinisial "B", was four years old, was treated in ICU since May 11. "B" became the patient with suspect bird flu because of having his family's member with initials "M." (43 years) beforehand has suffered avian influenza. "M." became the patient suspect bird flu/because of having his property poultry that died. "M. was" treated" in ICU RSPI Sulianti Saroso since last May 8. Moreover, the patient with initials "Mr" (12 years) also was treated in ICU. "Mr" it was suspected suffered bird flu because his neighbour maintained the poultry. Now the newest patient, the man had the initials "H" (27 years), was treated in Intensive Cempaka Maintenance space. "H" it was suspected suffered bird flu because of maintaining the poultry.
The above translation describes additional suspect H5N1 bird flu cases in Jakarta. Included is yet another familial cluster (between "B" and "M"). These are in addition to the family of eight in North Sumatra where six have died, and five are H5N1 positive.
There is also a health care worker with symptoms as well as 12 additional suspect cases who are hospitalized in Medan.
Jako puno novih slucajeva u Indoneziji!
Cini se da su clusteri sve veci a istrazivanja su pokazala da je inficiranje covjeka na genetskoj bazi u clusterima tj nikad se nije dogodilo da u nekoj obitelji obole muz i zena ali obole roditelji i djeca tj oboljeli su povezani po krvnoj vezi i to u najnovijem izvjestaju kaze se da je 'osjetljiva' genetska veza najcesce s majcine strane.
Hm..Jako interesantno! Napokon ona Nimanova dokazivanja da zrtve imaju obiteljske veze ( iako imaju razlicita prezimena) ima smisla!
Plus: u izvjescima se po prvi put spominje da su zrtve imale kontakt sa svinjama :eek:
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Bird Flu Deaths in Indonesia Fuel Concern Over Disease Control
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...fF4Y&refer=asia
May 15 (Bloomberg) -- At least five Indonesians from North Sumatra province are suspected to have died in recent weeks from bird flu, a World Health Organization official said, fueling concern over the country's ability to halt the virus in poultry.
An Indonesian laboratory found five relatives from the province's Karo district were fatally infected with the H5N1 avian influenza virus, Sari Setiogi, a WHO spokeswoman in Jakarta, said yesterday. A Hong Kong laboratory will conduct confirmatory tests, she said. A sixth person who also died will be tested.
Representatives from the WHO, the United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization and Asia-Pacific government officials are meeting this week in Indonesia's capital, Jakarta, to discuss food security, poverty and preparing for disasters, such as a flu pandemic.
World health officials are concerned the lethal H5N1 avian flu virus, which has infected more than 200 people in the past year, may mutate into a form that's easily spread among humans, touching off a pandemic similar to the one in 1918 that killed as many as 50 million people. A cluster of H5N1 infections may signal the virus is becoming more contagious to people.
The H5N1 virus has killed at least 115 of 208 people known to have been infected since late 2003, the Geneva-based WHO said on May 12. This year, 39 people are confirmed to have died from H5N1, almost as many as the 41 fatalities reported in the whole of 2005. More than a third of this year's fatal cases have come from Indonesia.
Widespread
Indonesia, the world's fourth-most-populous nation, has had outbreaks of H5N1 in poultry in 26 of its 33 provinces. Diseased fowl increases the risk for humans and create opportunities for the virus to mutate.
Avian flu in poultry poses a greater risk to humans in Indonesia, where people and birds live side by side in rural and urban areas. Thirty million households in Indonesian villages keep more than 200 million chickens in backyards, according to the FAO.
Since July, 33 people are confirmed by the WHO to have been infected. Of those, 25 have died. If confirmed, the five North Sumatra cases will bring to one a week the number of new H5N1 infections being reported in Indonesia each week since September.
The suspected cases comprise two men, two women and an 8- year-old girl who lived closely with each other and shared the same ancestry, Agence France-Presse reported yesterday, citing I Nyoman Kandun, director general of disease control with the Indonesian Health Ministry.
The five had been in contact with sick poultry and pigs near their homes before they fell ill and died within days of each other over the past three weeks, AFP reported. Three other people from the group also tested positive, the report said.
Possible Genetic Role
Some people are more susceptible to avian flu than others, suggesting human genetics may play a role in infection, Robert Webster, the Rosemary Thomas professor at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, said. A few people have shown to be ``extraordinarily sensitive'' to H5N1 and that trait may run in families on the maternal side, he said this month.
Almost all human H5N1 cases have been linked to close contact with sick or dead birds, such as children playing with them or adults butchering them or taking off the feathers, according to the WHO. Cooking meat and eggs properly kills the virus.
The Indonesian government in Jakarta is struggling to implement measures to control avian flu at the district level, Shigeru Omi, the WHO's director for the Western Pacific region, said earlier this month.
Avian flu controls in Indonesia, which successfully eradicated foot-and-mouth disease in cattle in the 1970s, have suffered because the government doesn't have enough people to monitor the spread of the virus in poultry. A law that came into effect in 2001 gave power to provinces and regencies with little supervision from the national government in Jakarta.
JAKARTA, May 15 (Reuters) - Indonesia is investigating the source of H5N1 avian flu infection in a bird flu case which involved eight members of an extended family, the agriculture minister said on Monday.
Four of the eight people from a North Sumatra family have died of bird flu, according to local tests, while one person who has tested positive is undergoing treatment.
Of the other three, two have died of suspected bird flu, but there is no confirmation from local tests yet. The last person is alive and is being tested for bird flu.
"So far, an examination of chickens, ducks and pigs around the victims' houses has turned out negative," Apriyantono told reporters on the sidelines of a Food and Agriculture Organisation meeting in Jakarta
"But we still have to thoroughly investigate it as it's a complicated case......"
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/JAK303547.htm
The Liptuan video shows to scenes in hosptial rooms with the medical personnel in full protective gear (http://www.liputan6.com/view/7,122884,1,0,1147701809.html)
Uhhh, vet, ove mi se tvoje zadnje vijesti nikako ne svidjaju..
A i Rumunjoj je izgleda bas frka prava.. i nadajmo se da ovo u Indoneziji nije pocetak necega gadnog - koliko se cini ako nisu mogli naci izvor zaraze medju pticama i svinjama da je izvor ili covjek ili covjekovo okruzenje :confused:
nemam pojma, naci ce oni neki izvor vec :)
no koliko ja znam ne postoji niti jedna zoonoza, bolest koja prelazi sa zivotinja (kraljeznjaka) na ljude, koja bi izazvala takve ogranicene epidemije. nikad se ne dogodi da od neke zoonoze obole bas svi clanovi obitelji ili neke druge povezane grupe ljudi, u kratkom vremenu, tj, zoonoze ipak ne prelaze na ljude kao prehlada.
zadnja takva je bila kuga.
ne velim da je ovo sad h2h, ali ovoj obitelji je savrseno svejedno na koji su se nacin zarazili.....
osim toga dok mi cekamo vijesti o bolesnom medicinskom osoblju, na filmu, u linku gore, treba obratiti paznju na stupanj zastite koji provode lijecnici...valjda imaju razlog.
Vidjet cemo sto ce se dogodit dalje.
A to o medicinskom osoblju nisam pratila, ima li zarazenih?
Sjecam se 'cudno' zarazenog doktora u Vijetnamu i one sestrice u Indoneziji od ranije.
Ipak je cudno sto nema ljudskih slucajeva u Rumunjskoj s obzirom na rasprostranjenost.
Evo vijesti iz Rumunjske gdje vlasti ludjacki pretrazuju ducane da nadju desetine tona zarazene peradi ( hm.. pitam se koliko je toga vec pojedeno i nista se nikome nije dogodilo.. ili pak je ??? kad su vec u tolikoj panici
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Bird flu in chickens causes panic among consumers in Romania
BUCHAREST (AFP) - Romanian health authorities were looking for several dozen tonnes of chicken product from a site where bird flu was found, striking fear among consumers.
The deadly H5N1 strain of the flu was found at a farm in Codlea in central Romania over the weekend and may have contaminated chicken products shipped to supermarkets.
The scare comes as the eastern European country awaits a decision Tuesday from Brussels about joining the European Union, with EU officials already worried about food safety in Romania.
Four tonnes of chicken product that may be contaminated with bird flu have been seized over the past 24 hours in several supermarkets in Bucharest, including one run by the French-Belgian Cora group, health officials said.
The chicken came from the Drakom Silva farm in Codlea.
Health inspector Constantin Savu told AFP that inspectors would "intensify monitoring in order to canvass the largest number possible of supermarkets in the capital."
Supermarkets in other regions where goods from Drakom Silva are sold were also being monitored.
"The reappearance of bird flu is a hard blow for Romanian farmers who already had losses of hundreds of millions of euros in 2005," said Ilie Van, press spokesman for the national farmers association.
Bird flu has been confirmed at 56 sites in Romania since the disease first surfaced last October in the country's Danube delta.
There have been no cases of it spreading to humans.
Republika online reports that the Indonesian Department of Agriculture ( and Animal Health) could not find a trace of the H5N1 virus in the animals, so far inspected. Anton Apriyantono compared the present clueless situation to the one experienced in July 2005 with the first Indonesian cluster. No reliable source of infection was established for that cluster. This reminds me of Andrew Jeremijenko`s assessment of the collaboration between the Department of Human and Animal Health which was lacking somewhat in effectiveness.
On Tuesday, May 16 2006
The animal in North Sumatra the Burung
Flu Negative
Jakarta -- Although having eight casualties who were infected by the Bird Flu virus in the Karo Land, North Sumatra, and to cluster biggest, but results of the inspection of the animal there evidently the negative.
From results of the inspection, Agriculture Minister's words, Anton Apriyantono, the poultry and the livestock in the Karo Land to currently was not yet attacked.
The minister for agriculture said the team from the Department of Agriculture carried out investigation, investigation, and researched samples of the poultry and the livestock in this area.
From the side of 'his animal, up until currently the spreading of the bird flu virus there still the level of the negative, good that for the chicken, the duck, or the pig', he said in FAO gaps of the session opening the Asia-Pacific region 2006 in Jakarta, on Monday (15/5).
But the research deeper, Anton's words, still were carried out towards the case of bird flu in the Karo Land.
He asked the community hurriedly to not take the conclusion.
Must have the comprehensive and deep research what true had the virus H5N1 there.
His expression needed time for quite a long time, like the case in Tangerang that up to now is not yet expressed, he said.
In the session FAO Regional Asia-Pacific this time, the problem of the spreading of the bird flu virus, especially in the Asian region also became one of the topics of main discussions.
The sample of the blood results of clinical investigation from the Simbilang Fortification Village, the Subdistrict of three bows, to the hospital in Kabanjahe, the Karo Land Regency and the hospital in Medan.
"Up to now, the Government of the North Sumatran Province has sent 57 samples of blood that was taken from the family, the midwife, and the nurse."
If 57 samples were it was said positive bird flu, significant this was the disaster for North Sumatra.
We prayed, hopefully not, the North Sumatran headword of the Health Service, Fatni Sulatni in konfrensi the press in RSU Adam the Owner, Medan, on Monday (15/5).
"Up to now, the Government of the North Sumatran Province has sent 57 samples of blood that was taken from the family, the midwife, and the nurse."
If 57 samples were it was said positive bird flu, significant this was the disaster for North Sumatra.
We prayed, hopefully not, the North Sumatran headword of the Health Service, Fatni Sulatni in konfrensi the press in RSU Adam the Owner, Medan, on Monday (15/5).
Bas sam pogledala na kartu Sj Sumatra je jako blizu Malezije i Tajlanda i ne tako blizu Jave gdje se nesto slicno bilo dogodilo prije par mjeseci.
Ova mi gore recenica i nije bas bistra.. 'ako rezultati budu pozitivni kao sto je potvrdjeno bit ce to katastrofa za Sjevernu Sumatru' - valjda su vec testirani regionalno i tu vec potvrdjeni a moraju bit potvrdjeni i iz WHO laboratorija ??
Mislim, ako stvarno jesu pozitvni i ako se toliki cluster dogodio bez zaraze iz prirode/od zivotinja onda to nije katastrofa samo za tu provinciju nego potencijalna katastrofa za cijeli svijet
deatwin
16.05.2006., 13:01
Prošlog vikenda, uz Večernjak, mogao se kupiti i dvd - Ptičja gripa.
Proširena verzija dokumentarca koji je već bio prikazan...ali ne znam da li na HTV-u ili RTL-u, NovojTv.....
Vrijedilo ga je kupiti....i uozbiljiti ukućane, susjede, frendove......
Predložiti neke mjere....
Inače, u mom malom gradu koke, patke, guske...nesmetano šeću dvorištima, družeći se sa ostalom škvadrom iz dvorišta; svinjama, kozama, zečekima, mačkama i pesekima...
Naravno, među svima njima veselo šeću dječica koja nakon pokupljenih jaja u kokošinjcu veselo krenu put škole...u svoje razrede, među svoje kolege....
I što činiti? Opet alarmirati veterinarsku stanicu Zaprešića???
Evo da vam copy-paste sa Zaprešićkog foruma:
"Jedna "crtica" iz života....
Vozim se ja vlakom na posao i sjedne do mene moj kolega (inače iz Brdovca) s kojim radim u istom nam velikom energetskom subjektu.....
I kako je poznato i Vama na ovom forumu, tako i forumašima s jednog drugog foruma, a istim nadimkom znana sam i u firmi, tako meni moj kolega jednog jutra kaže: Joj Dea, pozdravila te žena moja (radi u veterinarskoj stanici Zaprešića) i rekla da je boli glava čim čuje tvoje drago ime.... I još ti poručuje da ako ti se ikada išta desi tvome mačku Miceku (debeli, lijeni kućni mačak), da biraš dvije opcije: a) odeš u neku drugu vet.stanicu, b)ne spominješ svoje ime i prezime....
Naime, ljudima je muka jer sam ih zvala... (čitaj gornje postove)...i ukazivala na propuste u kontroli držanja peradi U ZATVORENOME prostoru. Kao, imali su zbog toga dodatnog posla, muke i okupacije....
Ma bljak
I dok su ovi krasni proljetni dani problem "ptičja gripa" pospremili u neku ladicu "o tome ću se brinuti na jesen", iz WHO stižu sve lošije, čak bi rekla alarmantne vijesti o šitenju ptičje gripe...
Krenuli su i tzv. clusteri... Rumunjska, novi slučajevi u Indoneziji, Malezija, Tajland, Java...a da o Sjevernoj Sumatri da i ne govorim....
Što mislite, sugrađani moji i forumaši, da napravimo jedan "fotosafari" po našem gradu, skupimo slike s evidentiranim propustima u držanju peradi (uslikamo perad uz navod na kojoj adresi je uslikana) i time nastupimo pred našom Veterinarskom inspekcijom, Zaprešičkim radiom i Veterinarskom inspekcijom županije?
Naime, ako se SAMI ne pobrinemo za sprovođenje ove vrlo važne odluke, mislim da nitko drugi neće. Jednostavno ih NIJE BRIGA, što se i očituje kroz komentare uposlenice veterinarske stanice
Ima li zainteresiranih?"
Rado bih da se netko i sa zaprešićkog foruma malo trgne.......
Five Family Members Infected With Bird Flu In Indonesia
Main Category: Bird Flu / Avian Flu News
Article Date: 17 May 2006 - 8:00am (PDT)
Indonesian authorities and the World Health Organization have confirmed that five members of the same family are infected with the H5N1 avian influenza virus strain - raising fears that perhaps it is transmitting more easily from human-to-human. How many of the family members got the infection from each other or from infected birds is not yet known. The family is from the North Sumatra province, near Medan.
Whenever there is a cluster of human infections, scientists immediately investigate whether H5N1 is mutating into a human transmissible form. Were this to happen, the virus would spread quickly and bring about a global flu pandemic. Depending on how the virus mutated, a pandemic could pose a serious threat to the lives of many humans around the world.
Four of the five infected Indonesian family members have died. There may have been more than five H5N1 infections in that single family, a further three samples are still being tested.
According to scientists in the area, checks on local animals, birds and manure have all tested negative for bird flu. It is crucial to find out how each of these infected people caught the virus. Even if they all got infected from animals - rather than from another human - it is still puzzling. It is unusual for so many people to become infected in one household. Humans do not get the infection from birds easily.
The World Health Organization says it is too early to say whether human-to-human infection has taken place.
A businesswoman from Surabaya, Indonesia, died of H5N1 infection last week. Authorities say she handled live pigs and pork meat shortly before becoming infected.
So far, 30 people have died of bird flu infection in Indonesia.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=43568
U Indoneziji su izgleda pretrazili sve zivo i nisu nasli izvor zaraze od kojih su ljudi umrli.. nekaka vektor tu postoji ali kakav to se ne zna.
Meni se u sjecanje urezala ova recenica i bas nesto razmisljam koliko bi izvora hrane moglo biti zarazeno djurivom specijalno sada kad su i svinje u djiru:
Some reports have suggested chicken manure used as fertiliser might be the link. Infected birds can excrete large amounts of the H5N1 virus and this can be one way it can spread to birds, and people.
izgleda da su nasli svinje,
ako prelazi sa svinje na covjeka to je prijenos sa sisavca na sisavca, trebao bi ici lakse nego s ptice na sisavca, sto je logican razvoj prilagodbe, odnosno kod svinjske gripe(H1N1) je bio moguc prijenos s covjeka na svinju, svinje na covjeka, covjeka na covjeka, svinje na svinju. da bi se dalje izdiferencirala u sojeve specificne za ljude i specificne za svinje....
Ocigledno je da se pojavljuju pomalo sve stabilniji podtipovi H5N1, koji pomalo biraju vrstu koju pretezno zarazavaj u(pitanje je samo koliko ce se uspjeti odrzati). I dalje mislim da se u indoneziji dogadjaju kljucne promjene na virusu.
Tamo kako ima sve vidse humanih slucajeva, sve se teze pronalazi zivotinjski izvor, jos od zime. To mozee samo znaciti da je virus sve adaptiraniji na sisavce, odnosno treba mu sve indirektniji kontakt, infekcijska doza itd.
A tesko je u svim cirkulirajucim mutacijama pronaci onu pravu kojoj treba posvetiti punu paznju, jer realno, na nekom mjestu mogu istovremeno razliciti sojevi izazivati infekciju, narocito u vrijeme intenzivnih promjena virusa, dok je jos uglavnom nestabilan, tj. nema ddominantnog soja/podtipa, whatever.
:) @Ona007:
s povratkom selica iz europe, afrike itd u aziji je situacija s jos vise majmuna, jos vise pisacih masina i cinjenicom da su majmuni u medjuvremenu naucili bolje pisati, jer pisu vec dugo i kombiniraju recenice, a ne slova. jedan ce vjerojatno napisati hamleta.....
samo osim nas par manijaka nitko nece pratiti sto se dogadja u aziji, jer je daleko i ne zvuci opasno po nas...
Tests show Sumatra pigs carry bird flu virus-minister
18 May 2006 05:47:36 GMT
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JAKARTA, May 18 (Reuters) - Pigs have tested positive for bird flu in the same village on Indonesia's Sumatra island where five people have been confirmed infected with the H5N1 avian influenza virus, a minister said on Thursday.
The case involving up to seven family members, six of whom have died, has raised alarm around the world because authorities cannot rule out human-to-human transmission.
But the World Health Organisation and Indonesian health officials had been frustrated by the lack of evidence pointing to a source of the virus, usually infected poultry.
The WHO confirmed on Wednesday that five members of the family had contracted H5N1 and tests on a sixth were pending.
Officials had said earlier that on-the-spot testing of various animals living around Kubu Simbelang village in North Sumatra province had given negative results for avian influenza.
However, Agriculture Minister Anton Apriyantono told reporters on Thursday the pig samples from the village had been brought to a leading animal research centre on Java island, and scientists there found a positive result for bird flu.
"After we brought them to Bogor, the serology test found positive results. From 11 pig samples, 10 are positive. Reconfirmation testings are still underway," he said, but did not specify the H5N1 virus.
Bogor is a West Java city where a veterinarian institute is located.
Clusters of human infections are worrying because they indicate that the virus might be mutating into a form that is easily transmissible among humans. That, experts say, could spark a pandemic in which millions might die.
For the moment, the virus is mainly a disease in birds and is hard for humans to catch.
The minister's comments are also likely to concern health officials. Pigs can act as mixing vessels in which human and bird flu viruses can swap genes, leading to a strain that can easily infect people and pass from person to person.
At least 30 people have died of bird flu in Indonesia, the second highest toll of any country. More than half that number have died this year.
Not including the latest WHO confirmed cases in Indonesia, the disease has killed 115 people worldwide, the majority in east Asia, since reappearing in 2003. Virtually all the victims caught the disease from poultry.
The H5N1 virus is endemic in much of Indonesia.
Ovo je dosta zabrinjavajuci podatak vet: podatak da je od 11 testiranih svinja 10 imalo virus - to vise nije sporadicno ili slucajno kao kod njemackih macaka.
Kod onog slucaja u Turskoj kad je puno djece umrlo nikako nisu mogli nac izvor zaraze i ja sam tada bila uvjerena da se radi o nekom sisavcu koji ne pokazuje znakove bolesti ali luta okolinom, psu macki, nekoj osobi itd..
Sad je sve jasno.
Samo je pitanje vremena kad ce se i kako rasirit na ostale svjetske sisavce i koliko ce pri tome zadrzat razornost.
Eh, da i jos nesto me zaintrigiralo
Most of Kubu Sembilang's residents are Christian and many of them are distantly related, Umbat, who runs a food stall in the village, said in an interview yesterday
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...t2aA&refer=asia
ranije sam spomenula da je otkriveno da se H5N1 lakse rasprostranjuje na ljudima sa slicnim genetskim predispozicijama, dakle rodjacima.. i ako su ovi svi u neku ruku rod onda bi na toj lokaciji moglo bit velike frke..
ConsumerAffairs May 18, 2006
World Health Organization officials are increasingly concerned that a thus far unexplained outbreak of the bird flu virus could mean that a long-feared scenario has been borne out -- that the virus may have mutated so that it can be passed from one human to another.
The concern began with reports that seven members of one family in a remote Indonesian village had come down with the disease.
Doctors were immediately troubled by the fact that there had been no outbreaks of the disease among birds in the region. To date, all of the more than 200 people infected with the virus have gotten it from contact with a diseased bird.
Health authorities hoped that their investigation would disclose a common contact among the seven infected people. So far, that contact has not been found.
At this point, health officials say they cannot rule out that the seven infected family members passed the virus to each other.
Scientists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have joined their WHO colleagues on the scene to continue the probe.
Unless they can find a connection among all seven family members with one or more diseased birds, they say they may be forced to conclude that a mutation has occurred.
Some scientists have said that if the disease can be transmitted easily among humans, the resulting pandemic could be catastrophic, resulting in millions of fatalities worldwide.
At least 115 of the 208 people known to be infected with the bird flu have died in the last three years, mainly in Asia.
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UN NEWS CENTRE 18 May 2006 – Aiming to shore up contingency plans for the operation of United Nations offices in New York in case of an international outbreak of bird flu among humans, Secretary-General Kofi Annan today named Imelda Henkin of the Netherlands as the world body’s new Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Coordinator.
Ms. Henkin comes to the job from the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) where she recently served as the Deputy Executive Director for Management, overseeing a range of operations, including in the areas of emergency response and staff safety.
In her new capacity, she will be responsible for coordinating the pandemic influenza planning and preparedness activities of all New York-based United Nations organizations.
Ms. Henkin will work closely with the main UN point man on the bird flu threat, Dr. David Nabarro, the UN System Influenza Coordinator.
BUCHAREST (AP)--The deadly H5N1 bird flu strain has been discovered in a central Romanian city, bringing to 10 the total number of communities where the virus has been detected in the past week, the Agriculture Minister said Thursday.
Minister Gheorghe Flutur said a chicken in the major city of Brasov tested positive for the virus late Wednesday. Tests for the virus were also being conducted in 27 other communities, he said.
The latest outbreak of bird flu was discovered over the weekend at the Drakom farm in the central town of Codlea, prompting authorities to recall 220 metric tons of meat from stores nationwide and cull all the birds in 20 communities where live birds from the farm were sold.
Two men and two children from Codlea were sent by ambulance to a Bucharest hospital for testing after showing symptoms of a cold or flu. They were hospitalized and tested for bird flu because they could have come into contact with dead birds, Colentina hospital director Adrian Streinu-Cercel said. He said preliminary test results were expected Friday.
So far, no human cases of H5N1 have been discovered in Romania.
UN NEWS CENTRE 18 May 2006 – Aiming to shore up contingency plans for the operation of United Nations offices in New York in case of an international outbreak of bird flu among humans, Secretary-General Kofi Annan today named Imelda Henkin of the Netherlands as the world body’s new Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Coordinator.
Cekaj..sjetim se onog slucaja iz 1997 iz Hong Konga..da nije to ista osoba iz Netherlands koja je otkrila prvi put pojavu ovog virusa.. ?
Ove najnovije vijesti nisu bas dobre.. nesto se gadno dogadja kad UN ovako nastupa .. no cluster je ipak jos uvijek mali.. 8 ljudi..
Kad ih bude 30 u jednom clusteru e onda cu stvarno i ja panicit..
BUCHAREST (AP)--The deadly H5N1 bird flu strain has been discovered in a central Romanian city, bringing to 10 the total number of communities where the virus has been detected in the past week, the Agriculture Minister said Thursday.
Minister Gheorghe Flutur said a chicken in the major city of Brasov tested positive for the virus late Wednesday. Tests for the virus were also being conducted in 27 other communities, he said.
The latest outbreak of bird flu was discovered over the weekend at the Drakom farm in the central town of Codlea, prompting authorities to recall 220 metric tons of meat from stores nationwide and cull all the birds in 20 communities where live birds from the farm were sold.
Two men and two children from Codlea were sent by ambulance to a Bucharest hospital for testing after showing symptoms of a cold or flu. They were hospitalized and tested for bird flu because they could have come into contact with dead birds, Colentina hospital director Adrian Streinu-Cercel said. He said preliminary test results were expected Friday.
So far, no human cases of H5N1 have been discovered in Romania.
The infection at Drakom is the first in an industrial-size farm. Since October, Romania has had dozens of cases of bird flu in household farms.
"The situation is more serious now," said Cercel. "People who have worked in farms are more exposed as there are thousands of birds in a small space."
Prosecutors detained Thursday a Codlea vet who oversaw local farms, along with the owners of the Drakom farm and the nearby Pati Prod farm, on charges of spreading disease. The three are accused of failing to promptly inform authorities that chickens were dying in large numbers on the farms.
Police have also launched an investigation targeting the head of Romania's central animal health laboratory Nicolae Stefan, who is accused of buying bird flu test kits from his son's firm without a proper auction.
The E.U. has banned imports of poultry from five counties in central Romania until the end of the year.
Authorities were expected to finish culling about 50,000 chickens at the Drakom farm Friday and begin culling another 600,000 chickens at the neighboring Pati Prod farm.
Codlea, a city of 20,000, was put under a quarantine Wednesday, with workers disinfecting passing cars and residents prevented from leaving the city for six days. Eight of the ten localities where bird flu has been detected are in the central county of Brasov where authorities have culled thousands of birds in recent days.
The H5N1 strain has spread with migratory birds from Asia to at least 10 countries in Europe and Africa, and scientists fear it could mutate into a form that is easily transmitted between humans, sparking a pandemic.
At least 115 people have died worldwide from H5N1, most of them infected directly by sick birds, according to the World Health Organization.
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Four More People Hospitalized In Romania With Bird-Flu Like Symptoms
BUCHAREST, May 18
Four more people were admitted with bird-flu like symptoms in the Bucharest hospital for infectious diseases, on top of the eleven people admitted so far since Monday. Seven of them tested negative for bird-flu; the others still wait the test results.
rumunjima je paznja popustila jel su bili zasiceni informacijama i prognozama, a nista se nije dogadjalo tako strasno. opustili su se (kao i mi) i sad su na pocetku (ili jos gore)
o svinjama:
JAKARTA, May 19 (Reuters) - Fresh tests on pigs from Indonesia's Sumatra island, where five people have been confirmed infected with bird flu, did not show any trace of the H5N1 virus, a senior government official said on Friday.
The pigs had earlier tested positive for the H5N1 avian flu virus by a leading animal research centre in Bogor, West Java. The Sumatra cluster case has raised concern about possible human-to-human transmission of the virus.
"Swab tests from the pigs' nose by the Bogor animal research centre came up negative for the virus ... the H5N1 virus," Syamsul Bahri, animal health director at the agriculture ministry, told Reuters.
Anyway:
Phase 3: Human infection(s) with a new subtype but no human-to-human spread, or at most rare instances of spread to a close contact.
Phase 4: Small cluster(s) with limited human-to-human transmission but spread is highly localized, suggesting that the virus is not well adapted to humans.
Naravno da nece naci virus u nosu/ njusci svinja jer se virus pomakao ka plucima.. pa to je standardna reakcija vidjena vec toliko puta kod ljudi .. u Turskoj/Iraku itd..
zato i jesu neki ljudi prvo testirali negativni pa onda pozitivni kad su kasnije pregledali nalaz pluca.
ali to isto znaci da nema svjeze zaraze koja kola medju svinjama, pa su ljudi pokupili od njih. Mogli su pokuiti od neke svinje, ali onda je mala inf. doza bila dovoljna i nije se radilo o izlaganju ljudi masovnom izvoru inf. sve skupa znaci virus lakse zarazava ljude nego prije...
Nego.. opet su sve zrtve u krvnom srodstvu.. sto jos jedamput dokazuje genetsku predispoziciju..
Nesto se mislim, stvarno skidam kapu Nimanu - on je prvi uocio ove 'family clusters' kad se sjetim koliko se samo trudio da dokaze sa su zrtve u Turskoj npr bili rodjaci pa i u ostalim zemljama..
U Rumunjskoj je 4ro ljudi uhapseno zbog neodgovornosti u sirenju pticje gripe.. stanovnostvo ne postuje zabrane a bolest se vrtoglavo siri. Zabranili su lov na ptice i lov na sisavce.
U Ceskoj su nasli nove slucajeve.i to na granici s Austrijom i Slovackom.
( plus i Danska je isto nasla slucajeve kod domace peradi)
Ocito je da je Istocna Europa opet na udaru :(
ali to isto znaci da nema svjeze zaraze koja kola medju svinjama, pa su ljudi pokupili od njih. Mogli su pokuiti od neke svinje, ali onda je mala inf. doza bila dovoljna i nije se radilo o izlaganju ljudi masovnom izvoru inf. sve skupa znaci virus lakse zarazava ljude nego prije...
koliko se sjecam ( mozda grijesim jer ovo govorim cisto logicki) kad su testirali ljude u Turskoj samo je par dana trebalo da se virus pomakne u pluca ( a zatim ili umru ili prezive!) i da nema tragova u nosu.. sto ne znaci da nisu bili kliconose preko izmeta, pluvacke itd..
dajte mi nekaj projasnite: virus se lakse siri (sto je bilo ocekivano), jos je dosta velika smrtnost, a i dalje nema dokaza da je doslo do H2H prijenosa. jel kuzim do sad dobro?
ekipa i dalje ne poduzima mjere opreza (zatvaranje zivotinja), bez obzira na to gdje zive (isto je u hr, bugarskoj, rumunjskoj, turskoj, a nema razloga sumnjati da je identicna situacija u aziji). mene najvise smiruje cinjenica da je pojava virusa kod ljudi rezervirana za ruralnije sredine - gdje se ocito ne pridaje prevelika paznja higijeni.
jel grijesim?
ona, kaj ti znace clusteri?
dajte mi nekaj projasnite: virus se lakse siri (sto je bilo ocekivano), jos je dosta velika smrtnost, a i dalje nema dokaza da je doslo do H2H prijenosa. jel kuzim do sad dobro?
ekipa i dalje ne poduzima mjere opreza (zatvaranje zivotinja), bez obzira na to gdje zive (isto je u hr, bugarskoj, rumunjskoj, turskoj, a nema razloga sumnjati da je identicna situacija u aziji). mene najvise smiruje cinjenica da je pojava virusa kod ljudi rezervirana za ruralnije sredine - gdje se ocito ne pridaje prevelika paznja higijeni.
jel grijesim?
ona, kaj ti znace clusteri?
Clusteri su grupe slucajeva koji ili imaju medjusobnog kontakta ( zive u istom selu, ulici itd) ili su iz iste sire obitelji sto se onda zove 'family clusters'
Nedavno je otkriveno da od H5N1 obolijevaju slucajevi sa slicnom genetskim ( obiteljskim ) predispozicijama ,,npr sira obitelj ali uvijek po majcinoj strani..
Clusteri su grupe slucajeva koji ili imaju medjusobnog kontakta ( zive u istom selu, ulici itd) ili su iz iste sire obitelji sto se onda zove 'family clusters'
Nedavno je otkriveno da od H5N1 obolijevaju slucajevi sa slicnom genetskim ( obiteljskim ) predispozicijama ,,npr sira obitelj ali uvijek po majcinoj strani..
to nije presudan faktor u epidemiologiji (izuzetno rijetko), tek usputni nalaz, osim toga virus nije konacan, vec u fazi prilagodbe i promjenjivog ponasanja.
evo obolio je i otac:
Indonesia cannot rule out human-to-human transmission of bird flu
JAKARTA (AFP) - An investigation into Indonesia's largest cluster of bird flu victims cannot yet rule out the possibility of human-to-human transmission, a health official has said.
I Nyoman Kandun, director for the health ministry's communicable disease control centre, said epidemiological investigation into a cluster of five cases in Sumatra, which health experts feared might be Indonesia's first case of human-to-human transmission of the deadly virus, was inconclusive.
"We cannot confirm that (human-to-human transmission) has occurred but we cannot rule it out," Kandun told reporters.
He added that Indonesian officials were being assisted by the World Health Organisation, and the Centres for Disease Control.
Test results from the World Health Organisation (WHO) last week confirmed that the five family members had all contracted the H5N1 virus, bringing Indonesia's bird flu death toll to 32.
Local tests on Monday confirmed that a sixth family member, a 32-year-old man, been infected with bird flu, said Kandun.
"He is the father of one of victims," Kandun said.
Indonesia has witnessed more bird flu deaths than any other country this year. It has the world's second highest number of fatalities since 2003, after Vietnam. Nine Indonesians who were infected have survived.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/healthfluindonesia;_ylt=AurZAQIVKdPf3FqonNcpry6Tvy Ii;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
Some 13,000 Citizens of Bucharest Could be Put Under Quarantine
22 May 2006 | 12:05 | FOCUS News Agency
http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?...atte=2006-05-22
Bucharest. Some 13,000 citizens in the capital Bucharest could face quarantine if the presence of bird flu virus is officially proved, Mediafax announced. Up until now the authorities didn’t point in what perimeters they think to restrict the movement of the citizens of the capital.
FOCUS Agency reminds that the authorities imposed the quarantine in second sector of the capital and some 10,000 people are banned to leave the region of their homes.
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wow.. nadam se da ovi karantirani u glavnom gradu Rumunjske imaju zalihe hrane..
u rumunjskoj je raspad sistema, citala sam da su im dezinfekcijske barijere suhe, bez dezinficijensa itd. zanimljivo je da u hrvetskoj ni rijeci rumunjskioj, a gore je nego jesenas. ako ne bude bolesnih ljudi, rekla bih da je to onaj isti virus koji je bio jesenas i zimus, jednostavno ga se nemoguce rijesiti, ne vjerujem da je dosao neki drugi......mora biti negdje medju pticama ili peradi. oni su htjeli taman proglasiti zemlju slobodnu od h5n1, kad je sve puklo. ocito se ne testira dovoljno dobro, vec slampavo....
mozda se vratio iz afrike, ali sumnjam, prebrzo su se razboljele kokosi, sigurno se udomacio u populaciji peradi....
Four people brought to Bucharest hospital with bird flu-like symptoms
Oana Dan
More and more people have been tested at the Contagious Diseases Institute for bird flu, while the strain keeps spreading, rousing controversy between central and local authorities.
Three people from Brasov County were rushed to the Matei Bals Contagious Diseases Institute in Bucharest, as local sanitary inspectors believe they might be infected with the bird flu virus.
A 31-year-old man and his 3-year-old son, along a the 17-year-old teenager are to be admitted at the Matei Bals Institute and thorough medical investigations will be carried out.
Doctors in Brasov fear that the teenager, who had been working at the farm where the outbreak was discovered last week, might be infected with the virus, as he is breathing with difficulty and is feeling very dizzy.
An electrician, employed at the Codlea farm and who is currently in hospital for medical investigations complained that the people admitted to the central hospital in Fagaras town, in Brasov County are poorly treated.
Florin Panturoiu said that they are not given food and are kept in extremely bad conditions, although they are all feeling alright. "I never thought I would be living in such harsh conditions," he said yesterday. He said that even after the virus was discovered at the farm, he and other five colleagues continued to work for a couple of days, as no one had told them about the outbreak. However, the tests showed that all the employees of the farm were ok.
Bird Flu Deaths Climb as Scientists Probe Human Link (Update2)
May 23 (Bloomberg) -- The number of bird flu deaths reported this month climbed to 13, the most since February 2004, as scientists investigate whether the virus is able to spread more easily between people.
Limited human-to-human transmission can't be ruled out as the cause of illness in seven members of an Indonesian family with avian influenza this month, Indonesia's Ministry of Health said yesterday. Six of the people died. Investigators haven't found infected poultry or pigs near where they lived.
``An extremely high priority should be to determine whether the virus has undergone any significant genetic changes,'' Jennifer McKimm-Breschkin, a virologist at Australia's Commonwealth Science and Industrial Research Organization in Melbourne, said in a phone interview today.
Any evidence that the lethal H5N1 strain of avian flu has increased its ability to spread among humans may prompt the World Health Organization to consider raising its alert level for a human pandemic, a signal that a deadly outbreak of disease is more likely.
Since late 2003, the virus has sickened at least 217 people in 10 countries, killing 123 of them, according to the WHO's May 19 count. In February 2004, the WHO confirmed 12 deaths in Vietnam and seven in Thailand.
Tamiflu Dispatched
The U.S. dispatched a supply of Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu antiviral drug to Asia for use in a possible outbreak of avian flu, Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt said yesterday. The medicine is on its way to a secure location and will arrive later this week, he said.
Officials from the WHO and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention joined local authorities last week on the Indonesian island of Sumatra to try to pinpoint how the people became infected with H5N1 in the past month. Virus samples isolated from infected family members are also being analyzed.
``With no animal identified as yet as the source of infection, this cluster raises the suspicion of human-to-human transmission,'' McKimm-Breschkin said. ``It warrants further urgent investigation, especially of people who may have come into contact with the infected people.''
The H5N1 virus has killed two-thirds of those confirmed to be infected this year, prompting fear that a pandemic form of avian flu would be extremely lethal. People have no natural immunity to H5N1.
10-Year-Old Dies
The WHO's May 19 tally excludes a 32-year-old man from the Sumatran family who died yesterday, more than a week after his 10-year-old son.
The man said he had a headache and appeared feverish when interviewed at his home May 17. An examination found he had a high fever and he received traditional treatment, Indonesia's Ministry of Health said in a statement yesterday.
The following day, the man refused to be treated at a local hospital and was prescribed Tamiflu, according to the ministry. He fled later on May 18 and was found at Jandi Meriah village. Samples were taken on May 22 and tested positive for H5N1 yesterday, when he died on the way to the hospital.
Local tests confirmed that a 38-year-old woman from Surabaya, in East Java, died from the virus on May 12 and a 38- year-old man in Jakarta died on May 19, the Health Ministry said yesterday. An 18-year-old man, who had been working in a factory making shuttlecocks for badminton, tested positive and is alive, the government said.
Iran Cases
A woman and her husband are suspected to have died of avian flu in Iran, the ISNA news agency reported yesterday, citing Dr. Izadi, a health official in the northwestern province of Kermanshah. Two others have been hospitalized with avian flu-like symptoms, the report said.
Almost all human H5N1 cases have been linked to close contact with sick or dead birds, such as children playing with them or adults butchering them or taking off feathers, according to the WHO. Thorough cooking of meat and eggs kills the virus.
The WHO's pandemic alert now is at the third of six levels, indicating that a new flu virus subtype is causing disease in humans, though not yet spreading efficiently and in a sustainable way among people.
To raise the alert by one level, the WHO would convene a panel of outside officials. The panel would make a recommendation to acting Director-General Anders Nordstrom, who would then order the change.
The lack of H5N1 infections in nurses and those at risk of contracting the virus from infected people may indicate there is no immediate risk of a pandemic strain evolving, said Albert Osterhaus, the head of the Department of Virology at the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam, Netherlands, in a phone interview yesterday.
``The question is, is the virus going to reassort itself or sequentially mutate so that transmission is eased from human to human?'' he said.
Seven Indonesian Bird Flu Cases Linked to Patients (Update1)
May 23 (Bloomberg) -- All seven people infected with bird flu in a cluster of Indonesian cases can be linked to other patients, according to disease trackers investigating possible human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus.
A team of international experts has been unable to find animals that might have infected the people, the World Health Organization said in a statement today. In one case, a 10-year- old boy who caught the virus from his aunt may have passed it to his father, the first time officials have seen evidence of a three-person chain of infection, an agency spokeswoman said. Six of the seven people have died.
Almost all of the 218 cases of H5N1 infections confirmed by the WHO since late 2003 can be traced to direct contact with sick or dead birds. Strong evidence of human-to-human transmission may prompt the global health agency to convene a panel of experts and consider raising the pandemic alert level, said Maria Cheng, an agency spokeswoman.
``Considering the evidence and the size of the cluster, it's a possibility,'' Cheng said in a telephone interview. ``It depends on what we're dealing with in Indonesia. It's an evolving situation.''
The 32-year-old father in the cluster of cases on the island of Sumatra was ``closely involved in caring for his son, and this contact is considered a possible source of infection,'' The WHO said in its statement. Three others, including the sole survivor in the group, spent a night in a ``small'' room with the boy's aunt, who later died and was buried before health officials could conduct tests for the H5N1 virus.
`Directly Linked'
``All confirmed cases in the cluster can be directly linked to close and prolonged exposure to a patient during a phase of severe illness,'' the WHO said.
While investigators have been unable to rule out human-to- human transmission in the Sumatran cluster, they continue to search for other explanations for how the infections arose, the WHO statement said.
Health experts are concerned that if H5N1 gains the ability to spread easily among people, it may set off a lethal global outbreak of flu. While some flu pandemics are relatively mild, the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.
So far, studies of the Sumatran outbreak and genetic analyses of the virus don't indicate the virus has undergone major changes, Cheng said. Scientists at WHO-affiliated labs in the U.S. and Hong Kong found no evidence that the Indonesian strain of H5N1 has gained genes from pigs or humans that might change its power or spreading ability, WHO said.
Mutations
``These viruses mutate all the time and it's difficult to know what the mutations mean,'' Cheng said.
Health officials earlier found strong evidence of direct human-to-human spread of H5N1 in Thailand in 2004. Scientists reported in the Jan. 27, 2005, issue of the New England Journal of Medicine that the H5N1 virus probably spread from an 11-year- old girl in Thailand to her aunt and mother, killing the mother and daughter. People who had more casual contact with the girl didn't become infected.
In the Sumatran cluster, close, direct contact with a severely ill person was also needed for spread, Cheng said. Preliminary findings from the investigation indicate that the woman who died, considered to be the initial case, was coughing frequently while the three others spent the night in the same room. One of the three, a second brother, is the sole survivor. The other two, her sons, died.
``It looks like the same behavior pattern'' of close contact and caretaking during illness with the bird flu virus, Cheng said. To raise the level of pandemic alert ``it would have to be transmissible from more casual contact.''
General Community
The Indonesian Ministry of Health and international scientists are continuing their investigation to trace the origins of the infections, the WHO said in its statement.
``Priority is now being given to the search for additional cases of influenza-like illness in other family members, close contacts, and the general community,'' the WHO said. ``To date, the investigation has found no evidence of spread within the general community and no evidence that efficient human-to-human transmission has occurred.''
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=aWESsJvt6CFE&refer=asia
Olala..
napokon se WHO probudio.:eek: iz zimskog sna..
Moje su oci uprte u Rumunjsku/Rusiju itd.. tj ne mora bit da ova situacioja ista drugacija od one u Turskoj na pocetku godine
Indonesian bird flu cluster may be human-to-human-to-human spread: WHO
Provided by: Canadian Press
Written by: HELEN BRANSWELL
May. 23, 2006
(CP) - The large cluster of human cases of H5N1 avian flu being investigated in Indonesia may represent the first time the virus has been seen to ignite two successive waves of human-to-human spread, the World Health Organization said Tuesday.
A spokesperson said the agency has not yet started the process of reviewing whether the global pandemic alert level should be raised to Phase 4 from the current Phase 3.
But Maria Cheng said it is conceivable that WHO might convene a meeting of the panel of experts who would advise on that decision - depending on what further investigation in the affected area reveals.
"This is the first time we have seen cases that have gone beyond one generation of human-to-human spread," Cheng told The Canadian Press.
"It is an evolving situation and it is possible we would convene the task force if we saw evidence the virus was changing."
According to the WHO's six-level pandemic staging plan, Phase 3 is no human-to-human spread, or only on rare occasions after close contact with a sick individual. Phase 4 is a small cluster or clusters of limited and localized human-to-human spread, a pattern suggesting the virus had not yet become fully efficient at infecting people. Phase 6 is a pandemic.
Cheng noted the pattern of infections in this cluster seems to point away from a substantial change in the transmissibility of the virus. So do the genetic sequences of two viruses retrieved from this group of people. A statement from the WHO said analysis of those viruses showed "no evidence of significant mutations."
But a veteran U.S. infectious diseases expert said he's worried the world may be seeing something different with this group of cases.
"Certainly there've been more cases in this cluster than we've had before," said Dr. D.A. Henderson, of the Center for Biosecurity of University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.
Previous cases of human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus are believed to have happened, but it is thought that in those earlier instances the virus died out after one generation of person-to-person spread.
There has been a clear pattern in all these cases: A family member, closely tending someone severely ill with the virus, becomes infected, presumably through exposure to large amounts of virus. And that pattern appears to hold in the Indonesian family cluster, Cheng said.
Henderson, who wasn't so sure, suggested in this case it seems illness has spread beyond caregivers to others in the family. An 18-month-old girl and a 10-year-old boy are among the dead.
"They all had contact, but it was not the kind of contact we've had described before, where the caregiver would be really heavily exposed," he noted.
"And from that standpoint, I find this worrisome. And I think there is an awful lot of information we need about those cases and the circumstances."
Cheng said if new cases began to emerge where people with only passing contact with a case became infected "certainly our level of alarm would increase."
"We haven't seen any evidence that's the case," she added. "So far we haven't identified cases outside this family cluster."
Expert investigators from the WHO and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control believe a woman who died in early May infected some members of her extended family, including a 10-year-old nephew.
During his illness, the boy's father helped nurse the child. The boy died on May 13. Two days later his father started developing symptoms . On May 22, the father died.
Cheng said the current theory is that the index case infected her nephew, who infected his father.
The first case, who died on May 4, was not tested before her burial and is not factored into the WHO's official case count. Investigators in the village of Kubu Sembelang in the Karo district of North Sumatra are watching closely for any evidence the virus is continuing to spread among contacts of the family. Cheng said 33 people are under observation, though she had not heard whether any of them are showing signs of illness.
Some are being given the flu antiviral oseltamivir or Tamiflu. Others were not. Cheng wasn't clear why all the contacts were not taking the drug.
But there have been reports that the rapid and devastating decimation of this family - eight people have become ill, seven have died - has triggered a local crisis of confidence with surviving residents of the village demonstrating fear and hostility to authorities. It was reported, for instance, that the man who died on May 22 refused to take Tamiflu. He fled from the investigators and authorities and lived on the run, sheltered by friends, for the final four days of his life.
"We are still not getting the level of co-operation we would consider optimal," Cheng admitted. Additional WHO personnel are being sent to the village. Included in the group is an expert on social mobilization - the art of gaining local trust and co-operation in the high tension setting of an infectious disease outbreak.
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A timeline on the Indonesian H5N1 avian flu case cluster. (The date of onset of disease for the sole surviving member of this cluster of cases, a 25-year old man who was a brother of the initial case, is not available.):
April 27 - A 37-year-old woman falls ill with respiratory symptoms. She dies May 4 and is buried without any samples being taken.
May 9 - The woman's 15-year-old son dies.
May 10 - The woman's 28-year-old sister dies.
May 12 - The woman's 17-year-old son died.
May 13 - The woman's 10-year-old nephew died.
May 14 - The sister's 18-month-old daughter dies.
May 15 - The father of the 10-year-old boy falls ill. This man, 32, is a brother of the first case. He flees from authorities.
May 22 - The man died.
Vincent V
30.05.2006., 09:55
Pozdrav!!!
Ima li kakvih novih i lijepših vijesti iz Indonezije i Rumunjske?
Pozdrav!!!
Ima li kakvih novih i lijepših vijesti iz Indonezije i Rumunjske?
ma kakvi:
BUCHAREST, May 29 (Xinhua) -- A total of 115 outbreaks of avianflu had now been reported in Romania, according to Agriculture Ministry spokesman Adrian Tibu on Monday.
The number of reported outbreaks had increased by 27 on Monday alone, Tibu said. The total as of Sunday was just 88 outbreaks.
The bird flu was spreading very rapidly in Romania, Tibu added.
Currently, just two of the six districts of the Romanian capital have not reported any outbreaks.
Local authorities on Monday continued large-scale disinfection and quarantines in the districts with reported outbreaks, as well as culling poultry raised by residents. Enditem
u indoneziji kapaju pomalo, skoro svakodnevno, iako i dalje ogranicen prijenos. nece ovaj potres bas pomoci.
nece ovaj potres bas pomoci.
To sam i ja pomislila!
Ako ikad a ono u ovakvoj situaciji ( nehigijena, puno ljudi u dodiru, pune bolnice, guzve) moze se bas pocet i masovno prenosit
Ovaj tridesetdevetogosinjak dobio je gripu tako sto je cistio krov od golubijeg izmeta..
Znaci potvrdjeno da je moguce i da je opasno..
Evo sto ja vec godinu dana tvrdim i zasto sam uopce pocela cijelu stvar proucavat..
Ako me nesto na svijetu nervira onda je to izmet golubova.. uzasavam se toga .. koja je to prljavstina ..
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/news/may3006indo.html
A 39-year-old man from West Jakarta also died, according to the WHO. He developed symptoms May 9, was hospitalized May 16, and died May 19. He had cleaned pigeon droppings from roof gutters shortly before developing symptoms. Pigeons are among the bird species known to transmit H5N1.
Vincent V
01.06.2006., 14:17
Cekaj malo, to znaci da je poceo prijenos H2H, odnosno epidemija H5N1 ili.....
Cekaj malo, to znaci da je poceo prijenos H2H, odnosno epidemija H5N1 ili.....
Pa nije bas da je pocela epidemija jos uvijek je sporadicno ali u Indoneziji ima sve vise i vise slucajeva.. cini se po 1 dnevno i Svjetska Zdravstvena Organizacija je objavila da se desio H2H2H slucaj u jednom indonezijskom clusteru.
Osobe su se zarazile bliskom dodirom od zarazenih osoba, dakle spavali i istoj sobi, njegovali jedni druge dok su bolesni, grlili se medjusobno itd, itd..
Vincent V
02.06.2006., 07:37
o jebemu sve, pa nije valjda da nas i to čeka u naredno vrijeme......
El Tomo
02.06.2006., 11:17
o jebemu sve, pa nije valjda da nas i to čeka u naredno vrijeme......
Da, ceka nas. To vise nije pitanje da li ce se dogoditi. Dogodit ce se sigurno.
Pravo je pitanje - kada? I kolikom zestinom?
Do pandemije ce sigurno doci. Za mjesec dana, godinu, deset godina. Problem je samo da li ce biti smrtonosna kao ona 1918. godine, blaga kao dvije pandemije izmedu 1950. i 2000. ili smrtonosnija i od one iz 1918. Letalnost je kod ove iz 1918. bila oko 5%. Zamisli koliko je to danas zrtava ako je zaraznost oko 50% (2.5% ili najmanje 150 milijuna zrtava).
No, mi ljudi smo specificna rasa. Jako volimo drzati glavu u prijesku dok nas netko dobro na odalami. Ali - tada jev predebelo kasno. Ista prica se ponavlja. Nakon panike u javnosti prosle jeseni, sada je opet sve vise manje mirno. Nitko se ne uzbuduje zbog slucajeva u Rumunjskoj i Indoneziji, svime je pticja gripa postala nesto sasvim normalno od cega ne treba strahovati jer se ionako nista nije dogodilo. Pa valjda ni nece.
A kada se dogodi - tada cemo plakati i hvatati se za glavu. Vec je sada prekasno, a mi i dalje gledamo u pogresnom smjeru. Izdvajanja za bormu protiv virusa su mizerna, istrazivanja zbog toga sporo idu. Istina, ne da se tu nesto bitno popraviti, sve su to vatrogasne mjere. Trebalo je prije 15-ak godina ulagati, skolovati vrhunske virologe i geneticare koji bi sada bili u naponu znanstvene snage. Danas bi oni mogli sprijeciti pandemiju pticje gripe. Ali njih nema. A mi i dalje drzimo glavu u pijesku umjesto da pocnemo ulagati i skolujemo vojsku vrhunskih znanstvenika.
Ovo je 21. stoljeca i borbe se vise ne vode na ratnom polju, vec u laboratoriju (bilo da se radi o stvarnom vojnom sukobu, ili borbi protiv virusa i asteroida). Ali odgovorni ljudi i javnost to nikako da shvate.
Brat i sestra umrli.. trece dijete u obitelji bolesno.. medicinska sestra bolesna
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Bird flu kills 8-year-old Indonesian girl, country sees spike in cases
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Published 2006-06-02 16:48 (KST)
JAKARTA, Indonesia
An 8-year-old girl has died of bird flu, a health official said Friday, citing local tests, as a spike in human cases has put Indonesia on pace to soon become the world's hardest-hit country.
The World Health Organization has yet to confirm the death, which would bring the country's official death toll from the H5N1 virus to 37.
The girl, from Pamulang on the outskirts of Jakarta, died late Thursday after apparently coming into contact with sick poultry, said Nyoman Kandun, a senior Health Ministry official.
The girl's 10-year-old brother died three days earlier with similar flu-like symptoms, but no samples were taken, said Dr.Hariadi Wibisono, a senior official at the national Health Department. The boy died in an emergency room before being treated, and the family immediately took him home for burial, he said.
''The family reported that chickens died near their house, and we have been told they had contact with birds,'' Wibisono said.
The children's father said he was aware of bird flu, but had no idea the virus was circulating near the family's house.
''I am very shocked. I do not understand how bird flu occurred in my neighborhood,'' said Suryoto, who like many Indonesians uses only one name. ''This internationally known disease took away my lovely children only in days, less then a week.'' He said his son fell ill with a fever after playing soccer with other children near their home. When it became difficult for the boy to breathe, Suryoto rushed him to a hospital, but it was too late.
''He died before the doctor coulddo something for him,'' Suryoto said.
One of Suryoto's three surviving children also developed a fever but has since recovered after being given the anti-viral drug Tamiflu, Health Minister Siti Fadilah Supari told reporters Friday.
Meanwhile, Bayu Khrisnamurti, secretary-general of the National Committee of Avian Flu Control, said a mass poultry slaughter would begin soon in the North Sumatra village of Kubu Simbelang.
The village attracted international attention last month after six members of a family died of bird flu and a seventh was sickened.
An eighth family member was buried before samples were collected, but WHO considers her part of the cluster of cases -- the largest ever reported.
Experts have not found any link between the relatives and infected birds, which has led them to suspect human-to-human transmission. But no one outside the group of blood relatives has fallen ill and experts say the virus has not mutated.
Bird flu has killed at least 127 people worldwidesince it started ravaging Asian poultry farms in late 2003. It is difficult for humans to catch, but experts fear the virus could mutate into a form more easily transmissible between humans, potentially sparking a pandemic. So far, most human cases have been linked to contact with infected birds.
Indonesia trails only Vietnam, where 42 people have died, in number of bird flu deaths.
In Rome on Thursday, the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization said it was considering a US$6.8 million (euro5.3 million) plan to outfit some wild birds with tiny backpacks to monitor their annual migrations. The project would rely on communications satellites and a network of computers to track the birds' movements and ultimately help experts gain more information about the spread of bird flu.
''All we have now is a snapshot. We need to see the whole film,'' said Joseph Domenech, the organization's chief veterinary officer.
http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleV...96267&rel_no=1
New York Times
June 4, 2006
Human Flu Transfers May Exceed Reports
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
In the wake of a cluster of avian flu cases that killed seven members of a rural Indonesian family, it appears likely that there have been many more human-to-human infections than the authorities have previously acknowledged.
The numbers are still relatively small, and they do not mean that the virus has mutated to pass easily between people — a change that could touch off a worldwide epidemic. All the clusters of cases have been among relatives or in nurses who were in long, close contact with patients.
But the clusters — in Indonesia, Thailand, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iraq and Vietnam — paint a grimmer picture of the virus's potential to pass from human to human than is normally described by public health officials, who usually say such cases are "rare."
Until recently, World Health Organization representatives have said there were only two or three such cases. On May 24 Dr. Julie L. Gerberding, director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, estimated that there had been "at least three." Then, last Tuesday, Maria Cheng, a W.H.O. spokeswoman, said there were "probably about half a dozen." She added, "I don't think anybody's got a solid number."
And Dr. Angus Nicoll, chief of flu activities at the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, acknowledged that "we are probably underestimating the extent of person-to-person transmission."
The handful of cases usually cited, he said, are "just the open-and-shut ones," like the infections of nurses in the 1997 Hong Kong outbreak and of a Bangkok office worker who died in 2004 after tending her daughter who fell sick on an aunt's farm.
Most clusters are hard to investigate, he said, because they may not even be noticed until a victim is hospitalized, and are often in remote villages where people fear talking. Also, he said, by the time doctors from Geneva arrive to take samples, local authorities "have often killed all the chickens and covered everything with lime."
The W.H.O. is generally conservative in its announcements and, as a United Nations agency, is sometimes limited by member states in what it is permitted to say about them.
Still, several scientists have noted that there are many clusters in which human-to-human infection may be a more logical explanation than the idea that relatives who fell sick days apart got the virus from the same dying bird.
For example, in a letter published last November in Emerging Infectious Diseases analyzing 15 family clusters from 2003 through mid-2005 in Southeast Asia, scientists from the disease control centers, the W.H.O. and several Asian health ministries noted that four clusters had gaps of more than seven days between the time family members got sick. They questioned conventional wisdom that only one, the Bangkok office worker, was "likely" human-to-human.
In one Vietnam cluster, not only did a young man, his teenage sister and 80-year-old grandfather test positive for A(H5N1) avian flu, but two nurses tending them developed severe pneumonia, and one tested positive.
In another questionable case, the Vietnamese government's assertion that a man developed the flu 16 days after eating raw duck-blood pudding was publicly ridiculed by a prominent flu specialist at Hong Kong University, who said it was more likely that he got it from his sick brother.
Dr. Henry L. Niman, a biochemist in Pittsburgh who has become a hero to many Internet flu watchers and a gadfly to public health authorities, has argued for weeks that there have been 20 to 30 human-to-human infections.
Dr. Niman says the authors of the Emerging Infectious Diseases article were too conservative: even though the dates in it were fragmentary, it was possible to infer that in about 10 of the 15 cases, there was a gap in onset dates of at least five days, which would fit with the flu's incubation time of two to five days.
And in a study published just last month about a village in Azerbaijan, scientists from the W.H.O. and the United States Navy said human-to-human transmission was possible. That conclusion essentially agreed with what Dr. Niman had been arguing since early March — that it was unlikely that seven infections among six relatives and a neighbor, with onset dates stretching from Feb. 15 to March 4, had all been picked up from dying wild swans that the family had plucked for feathers in a nearby swamp in early February.
While Dr. Niman is an irritant to public health officials, his digging sometimes pushes them to change conclusions, as it did in the recent Indonesia case. The W.H.O. at first said an undercooked pig might have infected the whole family, but Dr. Niman discovered that the hostess of the barbecue was sick two days before the barbecue and the last relative was infected two weeks after it.
His prodding, picked up by journalists, eventually led the W.H.O. to concede that no pig was to blame and that the virus probably had jumped from human to human to human.
The health organization's periodic updates on the number of avian flu cases and the death toll concentrate on cases confirmed by laboratories. The updates use no names and are often cleared by the affected country's health minister.
Dr. Niman, by contrast, trolls local press and radio reports and uses Google software to translate them — sometimes hilariously — looking for family names, onset dates and death dates.
For example, a May 15 report quotes a village midwife named Spoilt describing the death of a woman in Kubu Sembilang, Indonesia and the hospitalization of one of her sons:
"Praise br Ginting experienced was sick to last April 27 2006, with the sign of the continuous high fever to the temperature of his body reached 390 C was accompanied by coughs... Added Spoilt, second casualties Roy Karo-Karo that also the son of the uterus from Praise br. Gintin after his mother died last May 3, also fell ill, afterwards was reconciled to RSU Kabanjahe."
Dr. Niman contends that the largest human-to-human cluster so far was not in Indonesia, but in Dogubayazit, Turkey, in January. W.H.O. updates recorded 12 infected in three clusters, and quoted the Turkish Health Ministry blaming chickens and ducks. Dr. Niman counted 30 hospitalized with symptoms and said the three clusters were all cousins with the last names of Kocyigit and Ozcan, and that most fell sick after a big family party on Dec. 24 that was attended by a teenager who fell sick on Dec. 18 and died Jan. 1.
A patriarch, Dr. Niman said, told local papers that the two branches had had dinner together six days after the 14-year-old, Mehmet Ali Kocyigit, had shown mild symptoms. He died on Jan. 1, and several other young members of the two families died shortly after, with other relatives showing symptoms until Jan. 16. No scientific study of that outbreak has been released.
Dr. Niman also said clusters were becoming more frequent, especially in Indonesia. Just last week two more emerged there, one including a nurse whose infection has not yet been confirmed. With 36 deaths, Indonesia is expected to eclipse Vietnam soon as the world's worst-hit country.
Dr. David Nabarro, chief pandemic flu coordinator for the United Nations, said that even if some unexplained cases were human-to-human, it does not yet mean that the pandemic alert system, now at Level 3, "No or very limited human-human transmission," should be raised to Level 4, "Increased human-human transmission."
Level 4 means the virus has mutated until it moves between some people who have been only in brief contact, as a cold does. Right now, Dr. Nabarro said, any human transmission is "very inefficient."
Level 6, meaning a pandemic has begun, is defined as "efficient and sustained" human transmission.
Ms. Cheng of the W.H.O. said that even if there were more clusters, the alert would remain at Level 3 as long as the virus dies out by itself.
"A lot of this is subjective, a judgment on how efficiently the virus is infecting people," she said. "If it becomes more common, we'd convene a task force to raise the alert level."
Stari lisac Niman opet je dokazao svoju teoriju hehe :top:
El Tomo
08.06.2006., 10:38
Dobro je sto se turski cluster nije prosirio. Ako je to zaista najveci cluster do sada, samo se mozemo nadati da se mutirani virus nije ponovno vratio medu ptice. Ocito je ta verzija virusa medu ljudima nestala.
Mene puno vise brine Indonezija, gdje je vjerojatnost vracanja virusa s ljudi medu ptice mnogo veca. Takoder pomalo umiruje cinjenica (ako je tocna) da su se prvi clusteri javili jos u Hong Kongu prije 9 godna. To znaci da virus, cak i ako vec ima mogucnost prijenosa s covjeka na covjeka, nije sposoban toliko mutirati da zaista postane opasan. Jer ako verzija h2h virusa iz 1997. nije uspjela mutirati u stadij lakog prenosenja s covjeka na covjeka, malo je vjerovati da ce se to dogoditi u nekom razumnom vremenu. Izgleda da H5N1 ipak nije toliko prijemcljiv za covjeka (ako je tocno da su se prvi clusteri javili prije toliko puno vremena).
Dobro je sto se turski cluster nije prosirio. Ako je to zaista najveci cluster do sada, samo se mozemo nadati da se mutirani virus nije ponovno vratio medu ptice. Ocito je ta verzija virusa medu ljudima nestala.
Mene puno vise brine Indonezija, gdje je vjerojatnost vracanja virusa s ljudi medu ptice mnogo veca. Takoder pomalo umiruje cinjenica (ako je tocna) da su se prvi clusteri javili jos u Hong Kongu prije 9 godna. To znaci da virus, cak i ako vec ima mogucnost prijenosa s covjeka na covjeka, nije sposoban toliko mutirati da zaista postane opasan. Jer ako verzija h2h virusa iz 1997. nije uspjela mutirati u stadij lakog prenosenja s covjeka na covjeka, malo je vjerovati da ce se to dogoditi u nekom razumnom vremenu. Izgleda da H5N1 ipak nije toliko prijemcljiv za covjeka (ako je tocno da su se prvi clusteri javili prije toliko puno vremena).
kad se ti pocnes brinuti, ja cu se spremit u jankomir:D
hvala na razumnom objasnjenju.:s
Dobro je sto se turski cluster nije prosirio. Ako je to zaista najveci cluster do sada, samo se mozemo nadati da se mutirani virus nije ponovno vratio medu ptice. Ocito je ta verzija virusa medu ljudima nestala.
Mene puno vise brine Indonezija, gdje je vjerojatnost vracanja virusa s ljudi medu ptice mnogo veca. Takoder pomalo umiruje cinjenica (ako je tocna) da su se prvi clusteri javili jos u Hong Kongu prije 9 godna. To znaci da virus, cak i ako vec ima mogucnost prijenosa s covjeka na covjeka, nije sposoban toliko mutirati da zaista postane opasan. Jer ako verzija h2h virusa iz 1997. nije uspjela mutirati u stadij lakog prenosenja s covjeka na covjeka, malo je vjerovati da ce se to dogoditi u nekom razumnom vremenu. Izgleda da H5N1 ipak nije toliko prijemcljiv za covjeka (ako je tocno da su se prvi clusteri javili prije toliko puno vremena).
kako znate da je proslo dovoljno vremena za zakljucak, ako sad nije mutirao ni nece?
radi se o pokusajima i pogreskama, unedogled....
paralelno se dogodio veliki skok una zapadnoj obali SAD-a , konjska gripa, stara bolest, H3N8, je bila potpuno bezopasna za pse, zatim ih je pocela povremeno zarazavati, da bi jucer ili prekjucer buknula vrlo opasna epidemija medju psima - kao nova bolest za pse.
mozda si u pravu, ali ako se napravi kronologija dogadjaja od 97 do danas, situacija je sve gora i za ptice i za ljude. ne znam da ce se popraviti samo od sebe. no nemam pojma ni kako ce zavrsiti.
Dobro je sto se turski cluster nije prosirio. Ako je to zaista najveci cluster do sada, samo se mozemo nadati da se mutirani virus nije ponovno vratio medu ptice. Ocito je ta verzija virusa medu ljudima nestala.
Mene puno vise brine Indonezija, gdje je vjerojatnost vracanja virusa s ljudi medu ptice mnogo veca. Takoder pomalo umiruje cinjenica (ako je tocna) da su se prvi clusteri javili jos u Hong Kongu prije 9 godna. To znaci da virus, cak i ako vec ima mogucnost prijenosa s covjeka na covjeka, nije sposoban toliko mutirati da zaista postane opasan. Jer ako verzija h2h virusa iz 1997. nije uspjela mutirati u stadij lakog prenosenja s covjeka na covjeka, malo je vjerovati da ce se to dogoditi u nekom razumnom vremenu. Izgleda da H5N1 ipak nije toliko prijemcljiv za covjeka (ako je tocno da su se prvi clusteri javili prije toliko puno vremena).
Ne moze se usporedjivati Hong-kongski slucaj sa npr Indonezijskim iako je dokazano da se i 97 dogodio prenos h2h.
Hong Kong je rigorozno pristupio situaciji sto mnoge zemlje u JI Aziji danas ne cine.
Plus tada virusom nisu bile zarazene ptice selice.. dakle moze se reci da se virus postupno siri..
Sada ga npr ima poneki sisavac, recimo svaka 50 000 - ta macka ili 90 000 ta kuna ili vjeverica..
No moze se sasvim realno dogodit da npr za 6 mjeseci virusom bude zarazena svaka 5000ta macka.. ili svaki milijuniti covjek..
A svak ce vjeravat da on nece bit jedan od milijun ljudi :D i eto opet bezbrige :D
Eto u Indoneziji se npr dogodio H2H2H,mozda i u Turskoj ako je Niman u pravu, tko bi se ikad mogao nadat da ce virus iz Kine doci do Turske ili cak do Njemacke..
Dakle onako kako se od 97me do 2003e razvijao po Aziji tako isto ce vrlo vjerojatno ostati i u Njemackoj ili Francuskoj i siriti se dalje.. malo pomalo ..
H5 je nadjen u domacih gusaka u Madjarskoj(na farmi koja ima preko 3000 gusaka)..jos se ne zna da li se radi o H5N1.. No ministar poljoprivrede naredio je da se ukloni 300 000 peradi u Madjarskoj..
Izvor : Reuters
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L09712379.htm
BUDAPEST, June 9 (Reuters) - Hungary's Agriculture Ministry said on Friday that it suspects that a bird flu outbreak in domestic poultry is a deadly strain of the H5 virus.
"The suspicion is that it is highly pathogenic H5," Deputy Chief Vet Lajos Bognar told a press conference on Friday and ordered the slaughter of 300,000 birds.
It said the outbreak of the virus was found at a farm with more than 3,000 geese.
Bognar said the suspicion did not imply that it was the H5N1 strain of the virus and that tests needed to be conducted at Weybridge in the UK.
El Tomo
11.06.2006., 00:37
kako znate da je proslo dovoljno vremena za zakljucak, ako sad nije mutirao ni nece?
Nisam ja to niti rekao. Ne znam osto ce se dogoditi - mozda nista, a mozda vec do jeseni prede u pandemijski oblik. Ono sto zelim istaci je ono sto sam u proslom postu i napisao - njegov razvoj nije u smjeru zarazavanja ljudi ili sisavaca, vec on zeli ostati tamo gdje je - medu pticama. Jer se tamo najbolje 'osjeca'. Izgleda kako je njegova mutagenost u smjeru prijenosa medu ljudima dosta niska kada u relativno dugom vremenskom razdoblju nije razvio sposobnost efikasnijeg prenosenja izmedu ljudi. To je posebno vazno ako su se prvi h2h prijenosi dogodili jos 1997. godine. To znaci da sva ova panika oko velike sposobnosti mutiranja virusa bas i nije namjestu ako je on jos 1997. imao sposobnost prenosenja medu ljudima, a vec 9 godina nije uspio povecati tu efikasnost. No, to opet ne znaci da on to nece uciniti. Samo je manje vjerojatno nego da se radi o scenariju prema kojem je prije godinu dana zarazavao iskljucivo i samo ptice, a danas se vec siri medu ljudima i sisavcima.
To ti je isti slucaj kao i s asteroidima. Vec stotinama godina nije pao niti jedan veci na zemlju, i velika je vjerojatnost da niti nece u slijedecih 100 godina. Da asteroidi padaju svakih 10 godina, vjerojatno bi pao i u slijedecih 10, zar ne?
mozda si u pravu, ali ako se napravi kronologija dogadjaja od 97 do danas, situacija je sve gora i za ptice i za ljude. ne znam da ce se popraviti samo od sebe. no nemam pojma ni kako ce zavrsiti.
Pitanje je da li je gora za ptice. Ja od svog onog predvidenog masovnog pomora ptica (koje je medu ostalima, i Niman predvidao) u Africi i Americi nisam bas vidio puno.
El Tomo
11.06.2006., 00:55
Ne moze se usporedjivati Hong-kongski slucaj sa npr Indonezijskim iako je dokazano da se i 97 dogodio prenos h2h.
Hong Kong je rigorozno pristupio situaciji sto mnoge zemlje u JI Aziji danas ne cine.
Zasto se ne bi mogao usporedivati? Upravo suprotno - mislim da je usporedba na mjestu. I da je vrlo znacajno ustanoviti da li je vec tada bilo h2h prijenosa, ili nije. To sto je Hong Kong brzo i efikasno djelovao, ne znaci ama bas nista sa stajalista virusa. On je vec tada mutirao u stadij kojim se navodno moze prenositi s covjeka na covjeka. U svim tim slucajevim, i Indonezije i Hong Konga, vazno je samo jedno - virus se ni pod koju cijenu ne smije vratiti medu pticju populaciji. Puno ce ga jednostavnije biti sprijeciti u sirenju medu ljudima, no ako se vrati u pticju populaciju, to znaci da ce izmedu njih kolati gen koji virusu osigurava sposobnost sirenja medu ljudima. U ogromnoj populaciji ptica koju ne mozemo kontrolirati, taj virus ima puno vece mogucnosti daljnjih mutacija dok ne pogodi onu dobitnu koja ce mu omoguciti efikasno sirenje medu ljudima. Dakle, ako se zaustavi sirenje soja koje moze zaraziti ljude bez posrednika (ptica), vec smo puno napravili.
Treba imati na umu kako virus nije nas neprijatelj. On nema za cilj unistenje ljudske rase, niti mu je najmjera prijeci na ljude. Njegov je cilj isti kao i nas - opstanak. A Pticja populacija mu je 'gostoljubiviji' planet od onog ljudskog, i njegove ce mutacije ici prvenstveno u smjeru prezivljavanja medu pticama. Ako se desi neka slucajna mutacija s kojom ce preskociti vrstu - dogada se.
Mislim da se bas i ne mogu usporedivati mutacije s virusima koji zarazuju konje, pa skoce na pse. I jedni i drugi su sisavci, imaju slicni imunosni sustav. Ovdje se radi o preskakanju izmedu ptica i sisavaca, dviju skupina koje veze nemaju jedna s drugom.
Plus tada virusom nisu bile zarazene ptice selice.. dakle moze se reci da se virus postupno siri..
Odakle ti to? Danas mnogi tvrde upravo suprotno. Virus je bio prisutan medu pticama selicama, i od tamo se prosirio na domacu perad. A mutacije se po nekima jos uvijek odvijaju medu divljim pticama a ne u domacoj peradi. Problem s domacom peradi je sto joj je imunosni sustav u klincu, i sto se veliki broj ptica nalazi na malom podrucju.
Sada ga npr ima poneki sisavac, recimo svaka 50 000 - ta macka ili 90 000 ta kuna ili vjeverica..
Da, ima ga. No, postoji li uopce vjerojatnost prenosenja sa sisavca na sisavca? Macka ili kuna su ga vrlo vjerojatno dobili konzumiranjem uginule ptice.
Eto u Indoneziji se npr dogodio H2H2H,mozda i u Turskoj ako je Niman u pravu, tko bi se ikad mogao nadat da ce virus iz Kine doci do Turske ili cak do Njemacke..
Pa virusi gripe oduvijek su se tako ponasali. Nije to nikakav izuzetak. Samo sto je to sada puno ozbiljnije i opasnije, pa se svi cude kao pura jajetu.
Dakle onako kako se od 97me do 2003e razvijao po Aziji tako isto ce vrlo vjerojatno ostati i u Njemackoj ili Francuskoj i siriti se dalje.. malo pomalo ..
Opet, ne mora uopce tako biti. Mjere sigurnosti su puno vece, i nema smisla uporedivati Aziju s Evropom. Ovdje ce, ako treba, pobiti svu perad. U Aziji nece, jer je to jednostavno nemoguce. Perad je u mnogim azijskim zemljama jedino meso koje stanovnistvo konzumira.
Pitanje je da li je gora za ptice. Ja od svog onog predvidenog masovnog pomora ptica (koje je medu ostalima, i Niman predvidao) u Africi i Americi nisam bas vidio puno.
ja sam jos negdje zimus rekla kako mi se cini da afrika nece odmah biti opasna, jednostavno jer se do afrike izvrsi prirodna selekcija, bolesne ptice ne mogu letjeti tisuce kilometara. pa sam petpostavljela da ce doci samo zdrave kliconose.
osim toga UV zrake ubijaju virus i usporavaju razvoj potencijalne epidemije medju pticama.
nigdje nije ni bilo masovnog ugibanja ptica (osim u aziji), problem nastane kad se prosiri na perad koja je po defaultu losijeg imunoloskog statusa, konstitucije, kondicije itd, od divljih ptica
a virus ko virus, nema on zelju ostati medju pticama niti napasti novu vrstu. jednostavno kako mu se posreci da mutira tako se ponasa.
Dok god se siri medju pticama i pomocu ptica, a siri se, dotle ga ima sve vise i mogucnosti su mu vece.
u turskoj se nije virus povukao vec je epidemija zaustavljena (ubijanjem peradi, tamifluom i ostalim mjerama) no virus nije iskorijenjen. najbolji primjer je rumunjska, gdje je virus definitivno postao endemican i vjerojatno ce izazivati povremen epidemije. vjerojatno je tamo bilo najgore zbog delte dunava i redovnog pritjecanja novih kolicina virusa s divljim pticama.
nijedan nas zakljucak ovdje ne vrijedi bogznakaj, jer su mjere suzbijanja u aziji sve slampavije, seroloskih studija jos uvijek nema.
ljudima je naravno pun kufer gripe, jer se zbilja jos nista nije dogodilo, prestat ce se prijavljivati bolest u peradi (mislim na aziju) i virus ima uvjete za nastavak evolucije.
tesko mi je povjerovati da ce se "smiriti" i imho, ovo je normalan tempo kojim se razvija u danim uvjetima.
sars se vjerojatno "povukao" jer virus nije nasao novi rezervoar za prezivljavanje izmedju epidemija. h5n1 nema taj problem.
enivej, predvidjam (skromno) da u situaciji kad je javnost zasicena vijestima u influenci - svi ce prestati pricati o njoj, a narocito je prijavljivati i testirati. kao sto radi kina. ili poput indonezije nece ubijati perad jer im je neprihvatljivo, na isti nacin na koji bi bilo neprihvatljivo u europi pobiti sva goveda, ili recimo pse i macke. postojao bi strasan otpor.
na jesen bumo puno pametniji, kad krene novi ciklus. mozda nas te iste ptice i spase, tj postanu otpornije na virus (ipak je zdravi kliconosa manje opasan izvor zaraze od bolesne jedinke). no ovo na zalost ne vrijedi za aziju, tamo je endemican i ne moze se iskorijeniti.
mozda uspiju napraviti kakvu dobru vakcinu za zivotinje....
iako, zapadni znanstvenici su uprli sve snage na razvoj transgenih pilica, otpornih na bolesti, u cemu i uspijevaju. da citiram jednu takvu tvrtku: "citavo svjetsko jato peradi ce biti zamijenjeno u relativno kratkom roku". uz to ti pilici ce imati copyright gen i biti patentirani. sve je uredno objavljeno u medijima i na website-ovima najjacih biotehnoloskih tvrtki i skoro gotova cinjenica
ne mogu se oteti dojmu da zato nema jaceg medjunarodnog i politickog pritiska na azijske zemlje u vezi boljeg suzbijanja zaraze peradi. ako je tako vazno, pa moze razvijeni svijet financirati stamping out u indoneziji. ili i hoce cim mutirani pilici budu spremni za trziste ?.
stari kissinger je rekao: tko kontrolira naftu kontrolira drzave, tko kontrolira hranu, kontrolira ljude. s GMO usjevima su to vec uspjeli u juznoj americi. argentina je toboze otplatila dugove MMF-u, ali sadi samo patentirane GMO usjeve, koji su unistili male poljoprivrednike, u brazilu je isto, u iraku se smiju saditi samo americki patentirani usjevi, njihova banka autohtonog sjemenja je zaplijenjena.
cini mi se da stvari idu u tom smjeru....
jel itko primjetio strasan pritisak USA i GB na europu ovo proljece u vezi ukidanja zabrane uzgoja GMO usjeva. europa nije imala izbora nego poceti popustati.
nije sad vazno je li GMO zdrav ili nije, vec to sto je patentiran i ekoloski stetan za ostale biljke koje unistava.
iako, zapadni znanstvenici su uprli sve snage na razvoj transgenih pilica, otpornih na bolesti, u cemu i uspijevaju. da citiram jednu takvu tvrtku: "citavo svjetsko jato peradi ce biti zamijenjeno u relativno kratkom roku". uz to ti pilici ce imati copyright gen i biti patentirani. sve je uredno objavljeno u medijima i na website-ovima najjacih biotehnoloskih tvrtki i skoro gotova cinjenica
ne mogu se oteti dojmu da zato nema jaceg medjunarodnog i politickog pritiska na azijske zemlje u vezi boljeg suzbijanja zaraze peradi. ako je tako vazno, pa moze razvijeni svijet financirati stamping out u indoneziji. ili i hoce cim mutirani pilici budu spremni za trziste ?.
stari kissinger je rekao: tko kontrolira naftu kontrolira drzave, tko kontrolira hranu, kontrolira ljude. s GMO usjevima su to vec uspjeli u juznoj americi. argentina je toboze otplatila dugove MMF-u, ali sadi samo patentirane GMO usjeve, koji su unistili male poljoprivrednike, u brazilu je isto, u iraku se smiju saditi samo americki patentirani usjevi, njihova banka autohtonog sjemenja je zaplijenjena.
cini mi se da stvari idu u tom smjeru....
....nazalost i meni isto :(
Odlican topic, pratim ga od prvog dana, svima hvala na trudu :kiss: !
H5N1 virus caused Hungary outbreak
Agencies
Budapest: The outbreak of avian influenza among Hungarian geese last week was certainly the deadly H5N1 type, the farm minister was quoted as saying, but he added that the UK lab testing the samples had not confirmed it as yet.
Hungarian officials said last week they suspected the H5N1 strain had infected the geese in the southeast of Hungary because that type had infected wild birds in Hungary and poultry elsewhere in the region, with Romania worst hit.
"It can be taken as certain that the H5N1 type of bird flu infected the poultry stock in Bacs-Kiskun county," Agriculture Minister Jozsef Graf was quoted as saying by business daily Vilaggazdasag.
Hungary has slaughtered over 300,000 poultry and it may cull up to half a million in total, the ministry said earlier this week.
Meanwhile, a state lab in Anchorage is ready to join a US effort to detect early on whether a deadly bird flu virus has reached the North American continent.
Hmm..Evo dolje Nimanovog komentara ali meni se cini da je ovo prije rekcija na Tamiflu
( Ako se sjecate onih koji su imali halucinacije i ubili se nakon uzimanja Tamiflua u Japanu)
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06150602/H5N1_Sumatra_Neuro.html
Commentary
Neurological Complications in H5N1 Patient in Medan Sumatra
Recombinomics Commentary
June 15, 2006
After being stated recovered from bird flu, JG must reside in the hospital and might not come home. He the diagnosis suffered the infection in and around the brain. If being forced to come home, JG could be suddenly unconscious.
"There were the infection and the clump of pus in and around his brain," said the Co-ordinator Tim the Handling of Adam's Hospital Bird Flu the Medan Owner, Adlin Adnan in Medan, on Thursday morning (15/6). This infection was known after being done pemindaian against JG. "The temperature of his body also was not yet stable," said Adlin.
This hospital, said Adlin, will coordinate with the Hospital of Sulianti Saroso Jakarta to memperlajari the patient's relations recovered bird flu and the brain infection. According to Adlin, the case that was suffered by JG was classified as rare and first happened in Sumatra.
The above translation indicates that the sole survivor of the H5N1 bird flu cluster near Medan, north Sumatra, has neurological involvement. Neurological involvement of H5N1 has been associated with PB2 E627K. This polymorphism is found in all human isolates that are H1, H2, or H3. PB2 in H5N1 has been associated with neurological problems in mammals. Mice infected with H5N1 have neurological involvement and E627K has been found in brain isolates. Similarly, tigers in Thailand infected with H5N1 have neurological symptoms and E627K. E627K has also been found in H5N1 from cats and dogs. Experimental ferrets infected with H5N1 with E627K have hind leg paralysis.
PB2 E627K is also associated with increased activity at lower temperatures (33 C), which would increase levels in the nose and throat of humans. Declan Butler reported that cases in northern Sumatra had increased levels of H5N1 in their nose and throat, suggesting the H5N1 from these patients had E627K. This change was found in H5N1 (A/Indonesia/6/2005) from the second confirmed case in Indonesia (see phylogenetic tree), suggesting E627K is also in the north Sumatra cases. Isolates from these cases also have an H5N1 wild type cleavage site, RERRRKKR, which was also present in the above examples of neurological involvement.
Neurological involvement of H5N1 is cause for concern. The effectiveness of neuraminidase inhibitors such as Tamiflu is unclear. In addition, the isolates from Sumatra are amantadine resistant, further limiting treatment options. This complication creates additional concerns linked to an H5N1 pandemic, which could significantly impact treatment centers and anti-viral stockpiles.
emergence
16.06.2006., 22:13
od neceg se mora umrijeti...:zubo:
pandemija je cisto prirodan nacin da se smanji br svjetskog stanovnistva ..protiv prirode se ne moze
impoSIBILA
16.06.2006., 23:05
mene ja strah...!:eek:
gledala sam oprah pa su me istrašili!:rolleyes:
brrrrr!!!!!!!:rolleyes:
El Tomo
17.06.2006., 14:21
od neceg se mora umrijeti...:zubo:
pandemija je cisto prirodan nacin da se smanji br svjetskog stanovnistva ..protiv prirode se ne moze
S jednom opaskom - ti sigurno (a bome niti ja i moji bliznji i daljnji) ne zele sudjelovati u tom procesu. Zar ne?
Virus postao aktivan ljeti kao i zimi?
link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5086148.stm)
Indonezija tvrdi da je cluster od 7 prosli mjesec bio H2H prenos virusa.
u medjuvremenu jos je jedna osoba preminula od pticje gripe u Indoneziji.. no javlja se jos jedan problem, dosta stanovnika odbija testirati se na pticju gripu i jos uvijek odbijaju pristup svojoj peradi kako bi se i perad testirala
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailnational.asp?fileid=20060623.H04&irec=7
Residents refuse bird flu testing
JAKARTA: Health Minister Siti Fadillah Supari is gravely concerned about some North Sumatra villagers' refusal to have their blood tested for the avian flu virus after a bird flu outbreak killed seven people in the Tanah Karo regency.
"Maybe, the residents there have yet to receive proper information about bird flu," she said before attending a Cabinet meeting.
Tanah Karo residents are also refusing to let officials check their chickens for the flu, insisting there is no incidence of the disease in their area.
The government plans to cull all chickens in a one-kilometer radius in all areas testing positive for the virus. -- JP
Bird Flu Virus Mutates (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1225681,00.html?f=rss)
Updated: 11:50, Friday June 23, 2006
The Indonesian government has urged its people not to panic after the first evidence of possible human-to-human transmission of the deadly strain of bird flu was uncovered.
The World Health Organisation said the H5N1 virus, which killed seven out of eight members of the same family last month, has shown signs of mutation.
Bird flu experts insist it does not increase the possibility of a human pandemic.
The virus that infected the Indonesian family last month appears to have slightly mutated in a 10-year-old boy, who is then suspected of passing the virus to his father, the report said.
It is the first evidence of possible human-to-human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus, said Tim Uyeki, an epidemiologist from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The virus did not pass outside the cluster and died with the father, he added.
"Then it stopped. It was dead end at that point," he said.
But he warned against ringing the alarm bells, saying that viruses are always slightly changing.
Indonesia has the second highest fatality rate from bird flu in the world.
iz clanka (http://www.vetnet.hr/index.php?Izbor=casopis&cas=2) doktora Savića, veterinarska mreža
....Genetska analiza hemaglutinina visokopatogenog virusa H5N1 izdvojenog u listopadu ove godine iz crvenokljunih labudova
(Cygnus olor) u Hrvatskoj pokazuje da je 99,1% podudaran s rumunjskim izolatom i 99,3% s turskim izolatom, ali čak 99,7% s izolatom virusa H5N1 izdvojenom iz velikoga crnoglavoga galeba (Larus ichthyaetus) u Kini. To potvrđuje tezu naših ornitologa da zaraženi labudovi nisu doletjeli iz bazena Crnog mora već iz područja koja su sjevernije od nas. Dakle virus u Hrvatsku nije došao preko Turske i Rumunjske nego drugim putem, vjerojatno divljim patkama koje su preko Urala doletjele u sjevernu ili srednju Europu, a odatle je labudovima prenesen u Hrvatsku. U zaraženom jatu koje je sletjelo u našu zemlju bio je i bolesni labud koji je nešto više od mjesec dana prije doleta bio prstenovan upravo na Balatonu (Blatnom jezeru), no možda se taj labud zarazio nakon prstenovanja negdje drugdje u srednjoj ili sjevernoj Europi. Za razliku od drugih zemalja koje su H5N1 virus detektirale tek kada je zarazio domaću perad, u Hrvatskoj je virus dokazan već u divljim pticama. To je dalo veliku prednost u borbi protiv epizootije, u kojoj se veterinarska služba u Hrvatskoj pokazala organiziranom i učinkovitom tako da je dobila priznanje i od Europske Unije. Štoviše, Hrvatska je do sada jedina zemlja koja i dalje izvozi meso peradi i jaja u zemlje Europsk Unije unatoč činjenici da je u nas izdvojen visokopatogeni virus influence ptica. Radi potpunosti podataka treba reći da su američki istraživači u Mongoliji, koja tradicionalno ne uzgaja perad, iz divljih ptica također izdvojili virus H5N1.....
Patagonija
23.06.2006., 14:23
It is the first evidence of possible human-to-human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus
O ne :horor:
El Tomo
23.06.2006., 14:55
Dobro je sto se mutirani virus s h2h sposobnoscu nije prosirio, vec je istrebljem medu ljudima. No nije dobro (u stvari, jako je lose) sto se uklanjanje kokosi oko tih indonezijskih sela ne odvija kako treba - niti na vrijeme, a niti se pobije sva perad. Ako se mutirani virus s h2h sposobnoscu vratio medu perad, tada se mozemo poceti moliti svim bogovima i svecima...
Vidjet cemo ovu zimu...
Patagonija
23.06.2006., 22:05
Ako se mutirani virus s h2h sposobnoscu vratio medu perad, tada se mozemo poceti moliti svim bogovima i svecima...
Vidjet cemo ovu zimu...
A imaš li ideju kolika bi mogla biti šansa za to? Da se vratio među perad...
Mislim da ću si umjesto novog badića i ljetnih haljinica kupiti par Tamiflu-a i 2,3 kulena :zubo: :(
Dobro je sto se mutirani virus s h2h sposobnoscu nije prosirio, vec je istrebljem medu ljudima. No nije dobro (u stvari, jako je lose) sto se uklanjanje kokosi oko tih indonezijskih sela ne odvija kako treba - niti na vrijeme, a niti se pobije sva perad. Ako se mutirani virus s h2h sposobnoscu vratio medu perad, tada se mozemo poceti moliti svim bogovima i svecima...
Vidjet cemo ovu zimu...istrebljen nije adekvatna riječ. nema govora o nikakvoj eradikaciji niti o bilo čemu sličnom. nikakva istraživanja nisu provedena niti među peradi nit među ljudima u indoneziji (a komoli drugim vrstama s ulogom u međuprijenosu) koja bi dala iole približno pouzdanu ocjenu proširenosti u kaotičnoj indoneziji
el tomo je vjerojatno mislio kako je istrijebljen u tom clusteru, pa nije uspio dalje mutirati jer se cluster nije sirio na vise od 8 osoba.
no koliko sam ja shvatila u indoneziji se prakticki odustalo od suzbijanja u peradi, niti se ubija niti se cijepi, a citala sam da se dijagnosticira u peradi tek nakon sto se pojavi poneki humani slucaj. moze se ocekivati jos veci kaos tamo
...kao u kini, tamo je nadam se kontrolirani kaos, kinezi premda lazu i sute ipak svim silama suzbijaju epizootiju, koliko se uopce moze.
da mi je znati na zemelju cega su snazno poostrili kontrolu nad ljudima pa upravo prijavljuju sve atipicne i etioloski neutvrdjene pneumonije, navodno upravo imaju par prijavljenih epidemija. naravno iz toga se ne moze nista konkretno zakljuciti, ali se moze vrlo osnovano strahovati. ako su sad nehotice objavili humani slucaj zaraze iz 2003., pitam se sto ce objaviti. nije ni vazno, epidemiolozima ce ionako biti sve jasno i bez geneticara. s mutacijama ili bez njih.
od kineza je tajanstveniji jos jedino WHO, koji ne objavljuje nista osim nesuvislih press releasea. prvo nije mutirao pa je mutirao, a bez ijednog javnosti poznatog argumenta.
sveusvemu, ako je ovo sto se poduzima krajnji domet medjunarodnih i drzavnih institucija, ne pise nam se dobro :).
situacija je u indoneziji ocigledno prepustena sama sebi, ako ne racunamo beskonacna sastancenja. s kojim podatcima? oni tek sada kazu da na mjestu najveceg cluzstera nisu sakupljeni uzorci ni sa ljudi ni sa zivotinja, jer mjesno stanovnistvo nije htjelo suradjivati! (navodno)
jos je ljepse bilo u kanadi, tko je pratio, uspjeli su dokazati h5 i u naknadnim testovima koji su trajali dva tjedna sve skupa, ustanoviti da su uzorci unisteni.
u kanadi, koja je imala iskustva sa sarsom, da se nesto tako dogodi, nema sanse, gori su od kineza.
ne moze se pratiti nijedna bolest bez epidemioloskog i epizootioloskog rada na terenu.
Svima preporučam najnovije izdanje Nexus-magazina. Ptičju gripu su smislili i potenciraju Amerikanci, kako bi kontrolirali svjetsku proizvodnju piletine.
Priče o mutacijama su priče za malu djecu. SVI VIRUSI MUTIRAJU.
Da li vam je čudno kako to da ptičje gripe više nema?? A WHO je predvidjela masu mrtvih.
Svima preporučam najnovije izdanje Nexus-magazina. Ptičju gripu su smislili i potenciraju Amerikanci, kako bi kontrolirali svjetsku proizvodnju piletine.
Priče o mutacijama su priče za malu djecu. SVI VIRUSI MUTIRAJU.
Da li vam je čudno kako to da ptičje gripe više nema?? A WHO je predvidjela masu mrtvih.
:rofl: :rofl:
ili je to mozda jos jedna urota protiv balkanaca
LONDON, July 10 (Reuters) - British biotech firm PowderMed Ltd has filed for permission to start the first human clinical tests of a needle-free vaccine against the avian flu virus, it said on Monday.
The experimental vaccine will target the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu, which has spread rapidly through poultry flocks and has killed 131 people around the world since 2003.
Unlike conventional flu vaccines, PowderMed's product uses fragments of virus DNA to stimulate immunity and tiny particles are blasted into the skin instead of using a needle. A finished product is still several years away, however.
The first-time-in-man clinical trial will be conducted at a clinical research unit in London and will examine the ability of a vaccine based upon the Vietnam H5N1 avian influenza strain to protect against a potential pandemic form of flu.
Previous studies have shown the vaccine technology produces 100 percent immune responses against normal seasonal flu and PowderMed hopes for a similar response with H5N1.
Its vaccine is produced by copying a gene from the virus and enclosing it in tiny gold particles. It is delivered using an injector powered by concentrated helium gas, which pushes the particles into the skin.
The privately-held firm believes vaccines delivered in this way may produce better immunity than conventional ones. Current flu vaccines are based on 50-year-old technology that requires live chicken eggs and six months of brewing time.
Several companies that make traditional flu vaccines are also working on H5N1 vaccines, including Sanofi Aventis SA (SASY.PA: Quote, Profile, Research), GlaxoSmithKline Plc (GSK.L: Quote, Profile, Research) and Novartis AG (NOVN.VX: Quote, Profile, Research) unit Chiron.
Governments want to encourage companies that can produce better vaccines in less time. They hope an influenza pandemic does not come in the meantime, but fear the H5N1 virus could evolve into a pandemic strain of flu at any time.
FluWrap: Numbers increase in SE Asia
By KATE WALKER
UPI Correspondent
LE BUGUE, France, July 19 (UPI) -- Thai authorities have announced two suspected cases of avian-influenza infection in a pair of sisters hospitalized earlier this week, local media has reported.
The sisters, from the northern province of Phichit, were hospitalized after displaying symptoms similar to those seen in bird-flu sufferers, local health authorities told the Thai media.
Local test results from the two sisters, who are 3 and 4 years old, are expected to be returned Thursday, before which time no firm diagnosis can be made. Once the local test results have been returned, however, they must be confirmed by an official World Health Organization laboratory before an official statement regarding new human cases can be made.
The girls were initially sent to Ta Pan Hin District Hospital after developing flu-like symptoms, including respiratory difficulties above those associated with seasonal influenza, shortly after a number of local birds died of unknown causes. They were then moved to Phichit Provincial Hospital for additional care, where they have been placed under quarantine and their symptoms monitored for signs of deterioration.
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Also in Thailand, health authorities across the country are preparing themselves for a possible resurgence in avian-influenza infections as a result of the imminent monsoon season.
The health authorities have placed three provinces -- western Suphan Buri and Kanchanaburi, and Nakhon Pathom, near Bangkok -- on special alert, as all have suffered outbreaks within the past two years. The northern provinces of Uttaradit, Sukhothai, Phitsanulok and Phichit have also been designated as worthy of special monitoring.
It has been more than six months since Thailand saw a human death from avian influenza, and prior to the current suspected infections in Phichit it was believed the Southeast Asian country's bird-flu surveillance program was one of the most effective in the region.
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Azerbaijan is bracing itself for a fall resurgence in avian-influenza outbreaks, ever mindful of its position on the migratory flight paths that many believe place it at greater risk of increased poultry infections.
Having earlier seen human cases of H5N1 infection and a number of deaths from the disease, the country, with the assistance of the WHO, is increasing its efforts to stem the spread of the virus by better educating its healthcare workers.
The WHO office in Azerbaijan is preparing a range of recommendations for better health and hygiene practices designed to stem the spread of many communicable diseases -- with a particular view to avian influenza -- which will be distributed, free of charge, to healthcare workers across the country.
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Hungarian poultry farmers have been pressing the government to compensate them for birds lost in the battle to halt the spread of avian influenza, which first arrived in the country in early June, affecting farms near Kiskunmajsa in the southern part of the country.
Around 100 farmers gathered in front of the Agriculture Ministry Tuesday demanding increased compensation more in line with their losses, bbj.hu news agency reported on its Web site.
Agriculture Minister József Gráf was presented with a petition by Magosz, the Hungarian farmers' association, requesting that he authorize an official assessment of the impact -- financial and otherwise -- of avian influenza on the Hungarian poultry industry. Once an assessment is complete, Magosz claims, the government will be in a better position to support what bbj.hu called the "ailing poultry industry."
Following the initial bird-flu outbreak approximately 500,000 local birds were culled to prevent the spread of the disease, a necessary measure that nonetheless dealt a sharp blow to the region's poultry farmers.
Compensation offered by the government and matched by the European Union is unlikely to exceed a fraction of the lost income.
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Following the official WHO confirmation of another avian-influenza fatality, the bird-flu death toll in Indonesia has now reached 42.
The most recent death to be confirmed following official testing in a WHO laboratory was that of a 3-year-old girl.
The World Health Organization has now confirmed 132 deaths from avian influenza worldwide since the H5N1 strain of the virus re-emerged and began to affect humans in 2003.
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illegale
20.07.2006., 15:20
Pticja gripa je poput SARSa. Prodaja muda pod bubrege mocnih farmaceutskih lobija naivnoj i slabo informiranoj javnosti preko priprostih novinara nesposobnih za bilo kakvo drukcije razlucivanja od onoga sto je senzacionalizam, a sto nije.
Tako naivna i slabo informirana javnost rado pocne kupovat Tamiflu, lijek koji je prema nekim pricama u americi licenciran sa strane firme ciji je vrlo krupan dionicar glavom i bradom, drug Rumsfeld.
Sto se pak tice ubijanja peradi i ostalih pizdarija, zanima me sto bi se dogodilo sa golubovima u Zagrebu da je neki labud u Maksimiru slucajno zakasljao?
banderas
20.07.2006., 15:26
A ni na Mjesecu nikad nismo bili.
illegale
20.07.2006., 15:51
Da, ceka nas. To vise nije pitanje da li ce se dogoditi. Dogodit ce se sigurno.
Pravo je pitanje - kada? I kolikom zestinom?
Do pandemije ce sigurno doci. Za mjesec dana, godinu, deset godina. Problem je samo da li ce biti smrtonosna kao ona 1918. godine, blaga kao dvije pandemije izmedu 1950. i 2000. ili smrtonosnija i od one iz 1918. Letalnost je kod ove iz 1918. bila oko 5%. Zamisli koliko je to danas zrtava ako je zaraznost oko 50% (2.5% ili najmanje 150 milijuna zrtava).
No, mi ljudi smo specificna rasa. Jako volimo drzati glavu u prijesku dok nas netko dobro na odalami. Ali - tada jev predebelo kasno. Ista prica se ponavlja. Nakon panike u javnosti prosle jeseni, sada je opet sve vise manje mirno. Nitko se ne uzbuduje zbog slucajeva u Rumunjskoj i Indoneziji, svime je pticja gripa postala nesto sasvim normalno od cega ne treba strahovati jer se ionako nista nije dogodilo. Pa valjda ni nece.
A kada se dogodi - tada cemo plakati i hvatati se za glavu. Vec je sada prekasno, a mi i dalje gledamo u pogresnom smjeru. Izdvajanja za bormu protiv virusa su mizerna, istrazivanja zbog toga sporo idu. Istina, ne da se tu nesto bitno popraviti, sve su to vatrogasne mjere. Trebalo je prije 15-ak godina ulagati, skolovati vrhunske virologe i geneticare koji bi sada bili u naponu znanstvene snage. Danas bi oni mogli sprijeciti pandemiju pticje gripe. Ali njih nema. A mi i dalje drzimo glavu u pijesku umjesto da pocnemo ulagati i skolujemo vojsku vrhunskih znanstvenika.
Ovo je 21. stoljeca i borbe se vise ne vode na ratnom polju, vec u laboratoriju (bilo da se radi o stvarnom vojnom sukobu, ili borbi protiv virusa i asteroida). Ali odgovorni ljudi i javnost to nikako da shvate.
Dozvoli El Tomo, ali cemu takvo razmisljanje? Naime, ne mogu se othrvati od pomisli da je prica o pticjoj gripi vec nebrojeno puta prezvakana prica o senzacionalizmu temeljenom na cinjenici kako virusi i ostali patogeni imaju sklonost mutiranju, sto se ne moze sprijeciti, niti zaustaviti.
Sjetimo se samo Antraxa, SARSA, kravljeg ludila, ebole i ko zna cega sve ne u zadnjih desetak godina gdje bi iznenada bas neka od tih bolestina zauzela puni medijski prostor eliminirajuci sve ostalo iz vidokruga javnosti.
Kako je moguce da se ovaj scenarij ponavlja mozemo reci vec nebrojeno puta, te da istovremeno hipohodri svijeta ovdje nalaze prekarsno uporiste za forsiranje svojih crnih prognoza koje se mogu i ne moraju dogoditi, bas kao i sve drugo, s podjednakom vjerovatnoscu, gdje na kraju fneocekivani faktor po obicaju pomrsi sve racune?
Gripa jeste sklona uzrokovanju pandemije, ali su i sve ostale gore navedene bolestine osim Antraxa. He. ovo me opako podsjeca na ideju da neko isforsira pricu o Petrokemiji u Kutini, gdje je krajnji zakljucak kako ce nas opci kaos sa gomilom opasnih kemikalija stici prije ili kasnije, te da na taj opci kaos moramo biti spremni, jer to ce se neminovno dogoditi.
A zasto se o tome ne govori? Jel zato sto nije moguce? Jel zato sto nije dovoljno senzacionalisticki? Zasto?
RECOMBINOMICS COMMENTARY, August 4, 2006
PB2 E627K in Indonesian H5N1 Bird Flu Patients
The Indonesian government authorized the release of H5N1 sequences from Indonesia. Yesterday, the sequences generated by the CDC in Atlanta and Hong Kong University in Hong Kong were released to the public at the Los Alamos National Labs flu database.
As expected, most of the human isolates from patients on Java have a novel HA cleavage site, RESRRRKKR. However, these isolates also have a number of additional changes that readily distinguish the isolates from all public avian H5N1 sequences. Although the human sequences are clearly related to Indonesian avian sequences, they do not match, raising concerns over the source of the human infections. The only non-human sequence that does match is A/feline/Indonesia/CDC1/2006.
The sequences released included all eight gene segments. Analysis of the PB2 sequences indicates several patients who died in 2006 have the E627K polymorphisms. These patients were in West Java or in the Jakarta area and died between 2/10/06 and 4/26/06.
The presence of PB2 E627K in patients in Indonesia is cause for concern. The polymorphisms is found in all reported human isolates and increases polymerase activity at lower temperatures. The change is associated with increased virulence in mice. All Indonesian isolates listed below are from fatal cases....
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/0...esia_E627K.html
http://www.thisisessex.co.uk/display.var.860993.0.flu_tests_on_13_dead_birds.ph p
Flu tests on 13 dead birds
By Steven Blaakman
Inspectors are testing the bodies of 13 birds found next to a lagoon for bird flu.
02/08/06
Officers from the Department of Environment, Food and Rural affairs (Defra) picked up the bodies of seven swans and six ducks after they were found near a lagoon between Stambridge and Paglesham earlier this week.
Defra is doing a routine check on avian influenza on the birds, but has also warned the RSPCA and Anglian Water about the find in case there is another cause for the deaths.
Anglian Water denied pollution could be behind the deaths and said all their sewage discharges complied with Environment Agency guidelines.
Mottram Rankin, whose farm Rankin Farms is near the lagoon, alerted Defra on discovering the bodies.
Mr Rankin said: "Very sadly, we heard swans had died at the lagoon. When we got there we found six dead swans as well as several ducks.
"Some of them had been dead for a while. It wasn't pleasant.
"I was worried pollution could have been the cause of it."
A Defra spokesman said although the birds were being tested for bird flu, there was no reason to panic.
He said: "This is a routine test. There is no particular reason to think avian influenza is behind it. A claim has been made this is because of pollution in the water.
"Our job is to test for avian influenza. We don't test for pollution. But they have gone the extra mile to report it to the RSPCA and Anglian Water."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
1: Vet Pathol. 2006 Jul;43(4):463-70. Related Articles, Links
Neurotropism of Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza Virus A/Chicken/Indonesia/2003 (H5N1) in Experimentally Infected Pigeons (Columbia livia f. domestica).
Klopfleisch R, Werner O, Mundt E, Harder T, Teifke JP.
Diplomate ACVP, Federal Research Institute for Animal Health, Boddenblick 5A, 17493 Greifswald-Insel Riems (Germany). Jens.Teifke@fli.bund.de.
This investigation assessed the susceptibility of experimentally infected pigeons to the highly pathogenic avian influenza virus (HPAIV) H5N1 that caused recent outbreaks of avian influenza in birds and humans in several countries of Asia. For this purpose 14 pigeons were infected ocularly and nasally with 10(8) EID(50) and clinical signs were recorded and compared with five chickens infected simultaneously as positive controls. The chickens demonstrated anorexia, depression, and 100% mortality within 2 days postinoculation. Three of the pigeons died after a history of depression and severe neurological signs consisting of paresis to paralysis, mild enteric hemorrhage, resulting in a mortality of 21%. Gross lesions in these pigeons were mild and inconsistent. Occasionally subcutaneous hyperemia and hemorrhage and cerebral malacia were observed. Microscopic lesions and detection of viral antigen were confined to the central nervous system of these pigeons. In the cerebrum and to a minor extent in the brain stem a lymphohistiocytic meningoencephalitis with disseminated neuronal and glial cell necrosis, perivascular cuffing, glial nodules, and in one bird focally extensive liquefactive necrosis could be observed. The remaining nine pigeons showed neither clinical signs nor gross or histological lesions associated with avian influenza, although seroconversion against H5 indicated that they had been infected. These results confirm that pigeons are susceptible to HPAIV A/chicken/Indonesia/2003 (H5N1) and that the disease is associated with the neurotropism of this virus. Although sentinel chickens and most pigeons did not develop disease, further experiments have to elucidate whether or not Columbiformes are involved in transmission and spread of highly pathogenic avian influenza.
PMID: 16846988 [PubMed - in process]
Rezultat istrazivanja:
Virus je usmrtio 100% peradi ali samo 3 od 14 golubova a 9 od 14 golubova nije pokazalo znakove bolesti iako su razvili antitjela..
A ja od pocetka ukazujem na golubove :(
WHO confirms Thai avian flu death, Indonesia reports fatality
Aug 7, 2006 (CIDRAP News) - A World Health Organization (WHO) reference laboratory confirmed today that a 27-year-old man who died on Aug 3 in central Thailand's Uthai Thani province had H5N1 avian influenza.
The WHO said investigators found that the man had contact with household chickens, which started dying about 1 week before the patient began having influenza symptoms.
The man had symptoms beginning Jul 24 and was hospitalized Jul 30. The Bangkok Post reported today that the man developed flulike symptoms shortly after burying dead chickens in his backyard with his bare hands.
The WHO announcement brings Thailand's official avian flu toll to 24 cases, with 16 deaths. The man's death marks Thailand's second avian flu death in 2 weeks.
The Post also reported six suspected cases in Uthai Thani province where the man died, which is about 137 miles north of Bangkok: the man's wife and five of his neighbors. Thai agriculture minister Sudarat Keyuraphan told the Post that 200 fowl died on a poultry farm in the province yesterday, which prompted an order to cull nearly 20,000 chickens on the farm. She told The Nation, a Thai newspaper, that the culling would be postponed until laboratory tests confirmed an outbreak in the province's poultry.
The WHO notes that avian influenza outbreaks have been officially recorded in the northern provinces of Phichit and Nakhon Phanom. Thailand's only confirmed human avian flu case so far this year was in a 17-year-old boy who died of the disease Jul 24 in Phichit province. Thai news outlets, however, have reported poultry outbreaks in several northern and central provinces, and on Jul 31 all of Thailand's provinces were put on avian flu alert.
As of today, the Thai Health Ministry has reported that 122 patients from 16 provinces are under surveillance for possible avian flu.
Thailand launched a week-long campaign today to check every house in 29 provinces to help slow a resurgence of bird flu in the country, Reuters reported today. Volunteers will inspect backyard farms for sick or dead birds and will educate residents about the H5N1 virus. Until last week, the country had reported no avian flu since 2005.
In Indonesia, The Associated Press reported today that a 16-year-old boy died after testing positive for H5N1 virus. The boy was admitted to the hospital 2 days ago. Reuters reported earlier today that the boy lived on the outskirts of Jakarta and was being treated at a human bird flu facility at a local hospital.
An Indonesian health ministry official told Reuters that the boy had been in contact with sick chickens. He said samples from the boy had been sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
If the results confirm the findings of the local test, the Indonesia will surpass Vietnam as the country with the most avian flu deaths. Confirmation will mean the boy becomes Indonesia's 55th human case and its 42nd death, according to a WHO tally. In July, Indonesia recorded its 42nd death, which ties it with Vietnam. All of Indonesia's deaths have occurred in 2005 and 2006.
Principessa
04.09.2006., 22:22
alo, ekipa? jeste živi? nego, boli me grlo, pa ako itko od vas nije popio onaj Tamiflu, molila bih da mi se pošalje poštom.. šteta da propadne... ja plaćam poštarinu... :D
El Tomo
06.09.2006., 21:10
alo, ekipa? jeste živi? nego, boli me grlo, pa ako itko od vas nije popio onaj Tamiflu, molila bih da mi se pošalje poštom.. šteta da propadne... ja plaćam poštarinu... :D
Cujemo se za cca 6 mjeseci, kada ce pticja gripa uzvratiti udarac... bas me zanima hoces li i tada postaviti ovakva sarkasticna pitanja...
Vincent V
11.09.2006., 17:49
koji kreten, da ne povjerujes.
ovo bi i dalje trebala biti top tema
Cujemo se za cca 6 mjeseci, kada ce pticja gripa uzvratiti udarac... bas me zanima hoces li i tada postaviti ovakva sarkasticna pitanja...
zašto za 6 mjeseci?
btw, danas sam čitala da su otkrili zašto je h5n1 toliko gadan i zašto neki umiru, a neki ne. navodno igra ulogu količina izloženosti.
deatwin
11.09.2006., 19:19
Cujemo se za cca 6 mjeseci, kada ce pticja gripa uzvratiti udarac... bas me zanima hoces li i tada postaviti ovakva sarkasticna pitanja...
Evo i ja pitam zašto misliš da će za 6 mjeseci eskalirati?
Ja sam mislila da će panika biti sada, u kasnu jesen.....
Objasniš nam zašto?
Plavva, a napišeš opširnije što si pročitala, pliz?
Evo i ja pitam zašto misliš da će za 6 mjeseci eskalirati?
Ja sam mislila da će panika biti sada, u kasnu jesen.....
Objasniš nam zašto?
Plavva, a napišeš opširnije što si pročitala, pliz?
čuj, bila je vijest na indexu, sad je ne vidim.
pisalo je da su britanci ispitivali zaražene s h5n1 i zaražene s običnom gripom. ustanovili su da je kod h5n1 povećana koncentracija virusa u grlu i plućima, a kod osoba koje su bile izložene visokoj koncentraciji virusa, h5n1 se mogao izolirati iz krvi.
kažu da se pokreće citokinska reakcija, i da to ubija.
isto tako, kažu da tamiflu dokazano ublažava reakciju, ali ako se primijeni na vrijeme i da je sreća što taj lijek postoji.
e sad, oni barataju brojkom od 241 zaražene osobe od 2003. do danas, smrtnost je dosad bila 50 posto.
ono kaj mene tješi jest da se ptičja gripa sve više rješava kao fao, a ne kao who problem...
plavva, daj pocisti inbox, pliz :)
It's just early September and already the number of confirmed cases of bird flu in humans has equalled that of all last year. And we are just entering flu season.
Since the resurgence of the disease in late 2003 (four cases that year), there has been a steady escalation, with 46 cases in 2004, doubling to 97 in 2005 and as of today already 97 this year And it's only September. WHO now has recorded 244 cases since 2003, with 143 deaths (WHO).
Newspaper editors periodically tire of reporting on bird flu, or run stories that things are looking better, or that a vaccine has been devised. Many people have the impression the threat has bated. In truth, the disease is moving steadily forward, with no let up.
Each year brings a record number of cases and more and more poultry flocks infected in a wider geographic area. More animals have also been found infected and no one knows the true host range of the H5N1 subtype. Some progress has been made in planning for a possible pandemic, but not much has been put in place...... http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2006/09/bird_flu_marches_on.php
Sudan: Bird Flu in Juba
September 13, 2006
Posted to the web September 13, 2006
Grace Matsiko & Emmanuel Gyezaho
Juba/Kampala
A DARK shadow has been cast over attempts to chart a peaceful end to the conflict in northern Uganda after medical authorities confirmed an outbreak of the deadly bird flu virus in the South Sudan capital Juba, which is the setting for the peace talks.
The government yesterday took decisive steps and issued a red alert, warning the public, especially those travelling to Juba or South Sudan and those in districts bordering Sudan, to be on the look out for any signs of the lethal Avian Influenza disease that predominantly attacks birds.
However, the leader of the government delegation, Dr Ruhakana Rugunda (above), who is a frequent visitor to Juba and now temporary resident at the South Sudan's provisional capital, said yesterday that there was no cause for alarm.....http://allafrica.com/stories/200609130089.html
Principessa
14.09.2006., 18:03
Cujemo se za cca 6 mjeseci, kada ce pticja gripa uzvratiti udarac... bas me zanima hoces li i tada postaviti ovakva sarkasticna pitanja...
El Tominjo, mene je stvarno bolilo proteklih 10ak dana da bih ja stvarno bila popila Tamiflu da sam ga imala u kući... ne šalim se... al' šaljem osmijeh :zubo:
(počela sam pripremati zalihe lijekova, za nedajBože potribe)
I ja sam citala to sto je plavva navela.. sto prije uzmes tamiflu to bolje.. h5n1 je nadjen u krvii stolici umrlih sto nije slucaj sa umrlima od obicne gripe ( sumnja se da se virus replicira i u drugim organima osim disnih( i .. pandemija bi bila slicna onoj iz 1918.. tj. dokazano je sve ono o cemu smo mjesecima diskutirali..
Inace broj zrtava u Indoneziji ne jenjava ..
U Amitrici, Bugarskoj itd nasli su u prodaji zarazenyu perad kineskog i rumunjskog podrijetla..brrrr.. treba dobro pazit kad se kupuje..
Mene je osobno uhvatila 4ta gripa ove godine i svaka je bila teska i trotjedna..pitam se kako bih reagirala da se sretnem sa real thing :(
El Tomo
15.09.2006., 14:10
Evo i ja pitam zašto misliš da će za 6 mjeseci eskalirati?
Ja sam mislila da će panika biti sada, u kasnu jesen.....
Objasniš nam zašto?
Sumnjam da ce ista eksalirati, ukljucujuci i medijsku 'paniku' prije pocetka 12. mjeseca - dakle, u vrijeme najvece zime. Razlog tome su dvije najvaznije stvari:
1. glavne seobe i migracije ptica odvijaju se u 10. i 11. mjesecu. Da bi virus dalje mutirao i prosirio se, potrebne su mu migracije. Seobe su vec sada zapocele, no vecina njih se odvija krajem godine. Uz to, treba proci odredeno vrijeme izmedu sirenja virusa u pticjoj populaciji koja je migrirala i zaraze domace peradi, pa jos dodatno vrijeme izmedu zaraze peradi i covjeka. Dakle, mozemo ocekivati povecani broj slucajeve najranije negdje oko nove godine, s maksimumom tamo negdje u prvom i drugom mjesecu. Uostalom, pogledajte malo proslu godinu. Kada su se pojavile zarazene zivotinje u Hrvatskoj? Kada su izbile epidemije medu peradi i posebno medu ljudima u Rumunjskoj i Turskoj? Sve se to odvijalo negdje oko 12. mjeseca (perad), a ljudi su se poceli razbolijevati pocetkom godine. Toliko sto se tice same zaraze medu pticama i njezine sirenje migracijama. Ovakvo sirenje vrlo vjerojatno ce uzrokovati samo sporadicno oboljevanje kod covjeka. Ono cega se moramo plasiti je druga stvar:
2. kako je pticja gripa u principu epidemioloski vrlo slicna normalnoj ljudskoj gripi, i kako se moze ocekivati da ce mutirana pandemijska verzija pticje gripe ponasati gotovo identicno normalnoj ljudskoj gripi u slucaju masovnog globalnog sirenja medu ljudima, tada ocekujemo i jednak epidemioloski obrazac njezinog sirenja. A on pokazuje u posljednje dvije godine kako epidemija zapocinje negdje u posljednjem mjesecu godina i dostize maksimum zaraze u kasnu zimu ili rano proljece, dakle negdje u trecem mjesecu:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2005-2006/images/labsummary05-06.jpg
Naravno, sve to ovisi i o geografskom polozaju, jer ako su rezervoari pticje gripe negdje u Kini, tada ce zasigurno duze trebati za eskalaciju zaraze u juznoj americi nego u rusiji.
Sa druge strane, posljednja velika smrtonosna pandemija pticje gripe (Spanjolka iz 1918.) zapocela je sirenje negdje u lipnju medu ljudima, da bi se naglo prosirila u pandemijski oblik negdje krajem 9. i u 10. mjesecu u prvom valu zaraze. No, onaj najgori, treci val zaraze od kojeg je nastradao najveci broj ljudi dogodio se na proljece.
Sve u svemu, ako nas ove godine strefi pandemija, ona ce najzesca biti temo negdje u drugom, trecem ili cetvrtom mjesecu. No vec sada cemo vidjeti sto ce se tocno dogoditi, jer ako virus ne uspije vec sada u slijedecih 2-3 mjeseca zaraziti neki veci cluster, dobit cemo jos na vremenu.
Na zalost, izgleda da je ljudska rasa poprilicno glupa rasa. Tijekom ljeta svi su zaboravili na pticju gripu, vise nitko o tome nista ne prica, novine ne pisu. A to znaci da nema niti veceg politickog angazmana. Umjesto da smo iskoristili ovo vrijeme i pripremili se za mogucu panedmiju (ne mislim samo medicinski, vec i logisticki, infrastrukturno, i to na drzavnom i gradskom nivou a ne pojedinci), mi smo se fino uljuljkali u lazan osjecaj sigurnosti modernog tehnoloskog drustva. Toliko smo svi zajedno arogantni da mislimo kako ce nas nasa tehnologija, medicina i znanost zastiti od svega pa tako i pticje gripe, i jednostavno se ne mozemo pomiriti s cinjenicom da u danasnje vrijeme covjecanstvu moze ista opasnoga prijetiti iz prirode.
Bojim se da ce nas taj lazan osjecaj sigurnosti stajati glave. I nije to samo slucaj s pticjom gripom, vec i drugim prijetnjama iz prirode.
illegale
15.09.2006., 20:32
Par linkova za ustrasene duse:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=50822
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=50817
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=50635
Par linkova za ustrasene duse:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=50822
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=50817
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=50635
Prozvakano tisucu puta na ovom topiku.. ne moze se napravit cjepivo za virus koji jos ne postoji.. tj ako bi se napravilo za trenutacni soj onoga u vjetnamu ili onoga u indoneziji tada ne znaci da bi to cjepivo univerzalno djelovalo na neki drugi soj koji su ptice selice donijele u neki drugi kraj svijeta i koji se tamo razgranao u nekom svom pravcu.. ili tocno na onaj soj koji bi potencijalno izazvao pocetak pandemije..
Vazno je samo da postoje osigurani i spremni kapaciteti za proizvodnju cjepiva onda kad se taj 'opasni' soj pojavi..
tj tada bi se cjepivo moglo pocet prozivodit..
Najveci problem koji bi trebao donijet najvise zrtava je to razdoblje u kome nece bit cjepiva.. tj nekih 3-6 mjeseci od pocetka pandemije do trenutka kad ce bit dovoljno cjepiva za svakoga..
El Tomo
15.09.2006., 22:31
Vazno je samo da postoje osigurani i spremni kapaciteti za proizvodnju cjepiva onda kad se taj 'opasni' soj pojavi..
I da jos jednom naglasim ono sto je vec sto puta receno - nije samo stvar u dovoljnim kapacitetima i mogucnostima brzog razvoja cjepiva onoga trenutka kada se pojavi pandemijski soj, vec i u nacinu proizvodnje, distribucije i zastite pucanstva, te posebno i najvaznije u brzini proizvodnje cjepiva. Kakva korist ako dobijemo cjepivo dan nakon pojave pandemicnog soja, kada moramo cekati i po nekoliko tjedana da se cjepivo proizvede ukoliko koristimo tradicionalni nacin proizvodnje s jajima. To cak nema veze niti s kapacitetima (iako nema sanse da se proizvede dovoljan broj jaja kako bi se cjepivo dovoljno brzo i u dovoljnom broju proizvelo - valjda bi u tom slucaju trebali upregnuti svaku kokos u svijetu da nam iskljucivo lijeze jaja za potrebe cjepiva!).
Dakle, zaista je krajnje vrijeme da se mrdnemo sa sporog i zastarjelog nacina proizvodnje cjepiva u jajima na nesto brze, efikasnije i modernije - recimo takva su DNA cjepiva, ali i ova kultura stanica iz gornjeg linka.
No, cak i da imamo dovoljnu koliciu cjepiva, tko ce je podijeliti u ovoj nasoj zemlji kada znamo da nam je logistika i infrastruktura u totalno komatoznom stanju? Prije ce ljudi oboljeti od virusa nego sto dobiju cjepivo znajuci nasu brzinu i efikasnost.
deatwin
16.09.2006., 18:15
Plavva, Tomo...hvala na odgovorima.
Vet. jesu li se i naši veterinari uspavali...ili budno prate razvoj situacije?
Da li ste, zbog razvoja siutacije i prognoze za ovu zimu - primili ikakvu obavijest, proceduru kad i ako..... ?
Mene je frka i moje panike :zubo:
Ne, stvarno......
Kad bi to iblo nešto s čime bi se samo ja borila - pa kako ispasne-ispadne....ne bi cvikala. No samo i pomisao da se, zbog neodgovornosti i nepremnosti, zbog nepridržavanja zakonom naređenoga - klinac može razobliti, tjera me na čupanje kose...i sebi i okolini....
Zalihu ljekova sam napravila.
Popis za zalihu namirnica, također..
Ali kad početi djelovati?
Plavva, Tomo...hvala na odgovorima.
Vet. jesu li se i naši veterinari uspavali...ili budno prate razvoj situacije?
Da li ste, zbog razvoja siutacije i prognoze za ovu zimu - primili ikakvu obavijest, proceduru kad i ako..... ?
Mene je frka i moje panike :zubo:
Ne, stvarno......
Kad bi to iblo nešto s čime bi se samo ja borila - pa kako ispasne-ispadne....ne bi cvikala. No samo i pomisao da se, zbog neodgovornosti i nepremnosti, zbog nepridržavanja zakonom naređenoga - klinac može razobliti, tjera me na čupanje kose...i sebi i okolini....
Zalihu ljekova sam napravila.
Popis za zalihu namirnica, također..
Ali kad početi djelovati?
ja sasvim iskreno mislim i vjerujem da je to još veterinarski problem - ako se pridržavaš nekakvih standarda higijene, mislim da su ti šanse prilično dobre:)
El Tomo
17.09.2006., 15:36
ja sasvim iskreno mislim i vjerujem da je to još veterinarski problem - ako se pridržavaš nekakvih standarda higijene, mislim da su ti šanse prilično dobre:)
Pa ovih dana prije ce te pogoditi meteorit posred cela nego sto ces se razboliti od pticje gripe! Danas stvarno nema gotovo nikakve opasnosti, i trebao bi biti very very very bad luck da ti se to dogodi.
No, onog trenutka kada izbije humana pandemija, tada to definitivno vise nije veterinarski problem. Ako vec moram dobiti pticju gripu, radije bi je pokupio na pocetku. Jer kasnije ce to biti poprilicno stravicno (pogledajte Spanjolsku gripu - nema bolnickih kreveta, nema lijekova, nema medicinskog osoblja, posebno medicinskih sestara, nema aparata...). Sto mislite, koliko bolnica i u kolikom broju u hrvatskoj imaju aparate za disanje? A to je bilo osnovno sredstvo 'lijecenja' i vrlo vjerojatno je najvise i pomoglo u spasavanju ljudi. Naravno, nase bolnice i nije previse briga za dodatnu nabavu istih, jer je za sada ionako rizik premali (a investicija neisplativa). Da li je hrvatska napravila ikakvu zalihu Tamiflua? Da li je stimulirala/naredila/platila Plivu ili bilo koju drugu kompaniju da pod hitno krenu u razvoj i proizovdnju Tamiflua? Da ne spominjem razvoj cjepiva. A vjerujem da i sami znate odgovore...
Plavva, Tomo...hvala na odgovorima.
Vet. jesu li se i naši veterinari uspavali...ili budno prate razvoj situacije?
Da li ste, zbog razvoja siutacije i prognoze za ovu zimu - primili ikakvu obavijest, proceduru kad i ako..... ?
Mene je frka i moje panike :zubo:
Ne, stvarno......
Kad bi to iblo nešto s čime bi se samo ja borila - pa kako ispasne-ispadne....ne bi cvikala. No samo i pomisao da se, zbog neodgovornosti i nepremnosti, zbog nepridržavanja zakonom naređenoga - klinac može razobliti, tjera me na čupanje kose...i sebi i okolini....
Zalihu ljekova sam napravila.
Popis za zalihu namirnica, također..
Ali kad početi djelovati?
pa veterinari su budni cijelo ljeto (kuga i bedrenica, klaonice), mislim da su dobrp prodrmani.
Mi cemo se vjerojatno ponasati kako odredi EU, jer se svi preostali pravilnici uskladjuju.
a dojam ce biti onako kako htv bude diktirala....
tj kao lani, sporadicno labudovi (sa sjevera) pa karantena. Ljudi ce bjesniti zbog toga, "jer se ionako nece nista dogoditi..."
Mene vise zanima kako ce izdrzati Rumunjska ove jeseni. Ako ne uspiju zaustaviti sirenje i prijedje na perad u srbiji...onda smo i mi na redu. kaj se tice peradi.
a ljudi....pocet ce u aziji, kad pocne, samo je pitanje hoce li se detektirati na dalekom istoku ili tek u npr. turskoj.
i zanima me kako je zbilja u kini, jel je nema ili vise ni ne prijavljuju (epizootije)
Vincent V
26.09.2006., 22:17
ima li kaj novog?
alo ekipa, ima li što novo?
cijepimo se ove godine?
El Tomo
23.10.2006., 11:54
Evo nedavno je umro jos jedan djecak u Indoneziji. Mozemo ocekivati ponovne prijave novih slucajeva uskoro, za kojih mjesec-dva dana. Cini mi se da se ove godine nista nece zbivati prije sredine prosinca...
WHO napominje da bi se svjetski kapaciteti za proizvodnju cjepiva trebali HITNO povecat.. bas ono sto je danonocno tvrdio Santana na pocecima ovog topika
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2006-10-23T160944Z_01_L23859025_RTRUKOC_0_US-BIRDFLU-WHO-VACCINES.xml&WTmodLoc=HealthNewsHome_C1_%5BFeed%5D-7
Niman se opet uzvrpoljio :D ali ja uopce ne kužim njegove šifre.
Vidim spominje se i Hrvatska..
Ima li netko strucan ovdje da pojasni na što on sada želi ukazat:
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12038
http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=61222
Usput: Jedan slučaj H5N1 kod čovjeka u Mongoliji (potvrdjen i sa viskom temperaturom u bolnici), radi se o veterinaru ili istrazivaču, ne zna se kako se zarazio ali mjesto je jako blizu ruske granice..
http://www.regnum.ru/english/726039.html
El Tomo
25.10.2006., 23:30
Niman se opet uzvrpoljio :D ali ja uopce ne kužim njegove šifre.
Vidim spominje se i Hrvatska..
Ima li netko strucan ovdje da pojasni na što on sada želi ukazat:
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12038
http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=61222
Niman je poludio! Sada javno obznanjuje sekvence! To uopce nije lose, uzevsi u obzir da su se prije nepunih godinu dana sekvence drzale kao najstroza tajna u laboratorijima sirom svijeta. A pogledajte sada - Niman na netu objavio sekvencu iz Slovacke jedan dan nakon sto je submitani na publikaciju u casopisu!
BTW, Niman ovdje ne zeli ni na sto ukazati, osim na genomske sekvence pojedinih verzija virusa.
BTW, Niman ovdje ne zeli ni na sto ukazati, osim na genomske sekvence pojedinih verzija virusa.
Ispričavam se.. radi se o ovome:
http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=61473
i na kraju o njegovom objašnjenju koji uokviruje njegov najnoviji zaključak:
http://www.curevents.com/vb/showpost.php?p=581483&postcount=36
Although the 1918 pandemic is the greatest in the 20th cetury, I haven't seen anything to indicate it wasn't anything other than recombination between H1N1 in humans and H1N1 in swine. Thus, it already had a mammalian recptor binding domain, as well as the 10 changes that are mammalian specific.
H5N1 has the cleavage site, which may very well trump the requirement for the 10 changes. It picked up E627K but the chnage in Turkey was due to S227N. That change caused a local outbreak, but the onset may have been too sudden and severe to lead to more (or sustained) H2H.
Recombination tends to be between flu serotypes or strains that frequently come into contact. H5N1 in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and the Americas is not at Asian levels yet. In Asia there are now 5 versions of H5N1 that can kill humans (at least four seem to be cocirculating).
H5N1 has been making steady progress. Its level in a mammalian reservoir, including humans in Indonesia, is largely unknown.
H5N1 evolution is like a chain reaction. It has to reach critical mass and when that happens (in the not too distant furure), it will explode.
Nekad mi stvarno zvuči ko Nostradamus hehe
plus najnoviji komentar:
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/10220603/H5N1_M230I.html
This Qinghai sequence has the common HA cleavage site, GERRRKKR, and has many polymorphisms found in isolates from birds and human cases from Egypt and Djibouti reported earlier this year. However, the sequence also has an alteration, M230I, near the receptor binding domain.
Changes in the receptor binding domain are cause for concern because they can alter the ease of transmission. Last year another change in the receptor binding domain, S227N, was predicted based on donor sequences in H9N2 in birds in the Middle East. That change was found in the index case in Turkey, which was linked to a very large cluster. Two of the four human sequences made public contained this change.
Changes in the receptor binding domain in the Qinghai strain are of additional concern because the Qinghai strain has already acquired a mammalian polymorphism, PB2 E627K. This change increases polymerase activity at lower temperatures. It offers strong selective advantage, and therefore is all in human H1, H2, and H3 isolates. The acquisition by H5N1 was first reported in isolates from Qinghai Lake in China. Subsequent isolates in Russia, Mongolia, Afghanistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Germany, Sudan, Italy, Croatia Slovenia, Niger, Nigeria, and the Ivory Coast in 2005 and 2006 has shown that this change has become fixed in the Qinghai strain.
Thus, additional changes in or near the receptor binding domain of Qinghai isolates are cause for concern. Results of testing of additional suspect H5N1 patients in Egypt have not been announced. However, H5N1 in Egypt may be further spread by migratory birds.
The change in the cleavage site has been reported in H5N2 birds from Mexico, as well as H5N1 from Vietnam. Recombination between Clade 1 H5N1 in Vietnam and Clade 2 Qinghai H5N1 provides a mechanism for further genetic diversity in the Qinghai strain. The Egypt isolates also have polymorphisms found in human H5N1 isolates in in Indonesia. These acquisitions via recombination demonstrate additional genetic diversity.
The geographic expansion of H5N1 by wild birds in China as well as the Qinghai strain in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, creates additional opportunities for recombination and added genetic diversity.
This added geographical reach, coupled with increased genetic diversity, are cause for concern.
ja vas niš ne kužim:D
ajmo prijevod na jednostavan hrvatski.:D
Par novosti:
LONDON, Oct 26 (Reuters) - GlaxoSmithKline Plc <GSK.L> expects to sign more contracts to supply governments with its experimental bird flu vaccine for humans, following purchases by Switzerland and an unidentified Asian country.
"Between now and Christmas, I expect we will sign a few more in Europe and elsewhere," Chief Executive Jean-Pierre Garnier told analysts in a post-results conference call.
Europe's biggest drugmaker announced earlier this month that the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health had ordered 8 million doses of its H5N1 vaccine to protect its entire population in the event of an influenza pandemic, which many experts fear may be triggered by bird flu.
The vaccine has not yet won regulatory approval but Glaxo plans to file it with the European Medicines Agency by the end of 2006.
While Glaxo's vaccine offers protection against the deadly H5N1 avian flu virus now circulating, its impact on any mutated strain of virus is not certain.
Pomalo je neobično da se je baš Švicarska prva odlučila za ovo cijepivo.Ova vijest će potaknuti i druge zemlje na raspravu.Odlučili su se za jednu dozu, očito vjeruju Glaxu da je cijepivo dovoljno imunogeno.
However, experts say it could "prime" an individual's immune system so they will get stronger effects from a later, better-matched vaccine.
Špekulacija,o kojoj bi se dalo uzalud raspravljati.
Situacija kod nas je bolja nego lanjska,kad je u ovo isto vrijeme epizotija bila na vrhuncu.Zahladnjenje koje se očekuje od srijede će stvoriti bolje uvjete za preživljenje i širenje virusa, ako ga uopće ima u blizini.Ako se ne pojavi u sličnom izdanju, može se početi kalkulirati da nije postao uspješan.
Ne cudi me za Svicarsku. Ako pogledas Svicarsku na karti vidjet ces da ima poprilican broj jezera sto je cini slicnoj Vietnamu ili Dunav Delta regiji.. a cini se da upravo takvi regioni imaju najvecu predispoziciju za sirenje virusa..
Svicarska:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/switzerland_pol_2000.jpg
El Tomo
27.10.2006., 14:28
Situacija kod nas je bolja nego lanjska,kad je u ovo isto vrijeme epizotija bila na vrhuncu.Zahladnjenje koje se očekuje od srijede će stvoriti bolje uvjete za preživljenje i širenje virusa, ako ga uopće ima u blizini.Ako se ne pojavi u sličnom izdanju, može se početi kalkulirati da nije postao uspješan.
Je da, situacija je bolja nego lani. Ali cisto sumnjam da je to zbog virusa samog, odnosno njegove efikasnosti. Pogledaj malo vani. Ovdje kod mene je ljetno vrijeme, temperature vec danima ne padaju ispod 15 stupnjeva, a cesto su i iznad 20 stupnjeva.
Cekaj samo da temperatura padne ispod 10-ak stupnjeva, pa cemo vidjeti. Tek tada cemo znati sto se tocno dogada s virusom. Ali, i to moze biti varka. Prvi val migracija ptica selica je zavrsio. Kako je vrijeme bilo vrlo toplo, sto nepogoduje virusu, vrlo vjerojatno taj val migracija nije prosirio virus sa sobom. Treba sacekati slijedecu migraciju, i tamo negdje oko Bozica/Nove godine vidjeti sto ce se dogoditi. Prosle godine je drugi val sirenja virusa medu pticama bio negdje u 1. mjesecu. Kako smo ove godine izbjegli ovaj prvi val, vrlo vjerojatno ce se virus javiti u slijedecem.
Na kraju krajeva, mozda ga je visoka temperatura privremeno sprijecila da se uopce siri ovu godinu, pa cemo morati cekati jos jednu godinu za proslogodisnji efekt. Ne zaboravimo da je prosla zima bila jedna od najhladnijih i najzescih u posljednje vrijeme, a ova jesen najtoplija u zadnjih 50 godina. Sreca nasa.
Kamo srece da je virus riknuo, i da ga vise nema. No, sumnjam u to.
Ma otkud to da bi riknuo..pa umire na 70 stupnjeva a koliko se sjecam stranica WHO ili kanadske vlade.. bila je informacija da moze opstat u vodi i prirodi na oko 20tak stupnjeva jako dugo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_and_infection_of_H5N1
Over 30 days at 0ºC (32.0ºF) (over one month at freezing temperature)
6 days at 37ºC (98.6ºF) (one week at human body temperature)
30 minutes 60ºC (140.0ºF) (half hour at a temperature that causes first and second degree burns in humans in ten seconds)[24]
Lanjska meteo situacija nije bila značajno različita od ovogodišnje.Epizootija se pojavila oko 20.10., a tada je bilo i toplih dana, u primorju su se oko podneva moglo biti u kretkim rukavima.Ove godine pak, dok mi imamo suho i toplo vrijeme, Turska i krajevi istočno od nje su imali obilne oborine, koje su donijele i zahladnjenje.
Labudovi, kao dobar indikator možda još nisu došli do nas, već se sad nalaze sjevernije.I od tamo nema naznaka pomora; pobolijevanje se vjerojatno prati, ali do javnosti nema vijesti.
Švicarska nije zanimljiva zbog jezera već zbog činjenjice da je to zemlja s razvijenim med. sustavom, koji nije sklon pretjeranim odlukama pogotovo oko cijepljenja cijelokupnog pučanstva.
kod labudova se ne radi o pravoj migraciji, vec se oni citavu zimu povlace pred hladnijim vremenom, na sjeveru je jos uvijek toplo i jos su gore.
Isto i mocvarice, one rade zastoje u selidbi, na jezerima i deltama, odmaraju se i zadrzavaju. ako nije hladno riba je jos uvijek aktivna i ptice nalaze hranu, pa im se jednostavno ni ne zuri. Blago vrijeme je dobro za ptice, u boljoj su kondiciji i manje obolijevaju, prvo obole ptice losije kondicije.
Suncano je i UV zrake djeluju, sto je bilo i moje objasnjenje zasto nije bilo veceg pomora ptica u africi prosle zime (obolijevala je najvise perad u losim zoohigijenskim uvjetima)
S druge strane, ako proslu godinu racunamo kao kriticnu za ptice, prije svega, onda je moguce i da se epizootija primiri, razvije se i prosiri imunitet ili je virus promijenio virulenciju za ptice. ne znam, navodim samo kao mogucnost.
Ako je istina da je virus djelomicno divergirao u dva soja, jedan koji napada pretezno ptice, a drugi sisavce, tad ce se stvar sporije razvijati.
a sve je vise nalaza virusa kod sisavaca.
price o vakcinama su sve redom toplo-hladno, za sad
eh da, i jucer me nazvala pedijatrica da me obavijesti kako je HZZO narucio i placa cjepivo protiv gripe za djecu s kronicnim bolestima, da dodjem cijepiti dijete i da mogu cijepiti i drugo dijete za 80kn.
lani dok sam trazila cjepivo, nije ga uopce bilo (za djecu trebaju posebna), ne znam jel to samo netko povukao dobri poslovni potez ili je vakcina nabavljena s nekim drugim ciljem?
Hrvatska kupuje cjepivo protiv virusa ptičje gripe (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/news/croatia/665166/index.do)
Autor Diana Glavina
Iako još nije konkretirizirano, u farmaceutskoj kompaniji GlaxoSmithKline kažu da je i Hrvatska zainteresirana za njihovo cjepivo za zaštitu od virusa ptičje gripe H5N1. Studija, na 400 zdravih ispitanika, odraslih dobrovoljaca u dobi od 18 do 60 godina, pokazala je, naime, da je u 80 posto njih cjepivom za zaštitu od virusa gripe H5N1 i to uz iznimno niske doze antigena virusa postignut snažan imunološki odgovor.
Imunološki odgovor
Samo nekoliko mjeseci nakon što je studija provedena u Belgiji, o tom se cjepivu, koje proizvodi ta farmaceutska kompanija, danas govori kao o pretpandemijskom cjepivu koje znatno povećava imunološki odgovor organizma na virus H5N1. U njemu je, naime, oslabljeni soj virusa ptičje gripe H5N1. Potkraj ove godine pretpandemdijsko cjepivo ulazi u postupak registracije u EU i GSK priprema cjelokupnu istraživačku i medicinsku dokumentaciju za Agenciju za kontrolu lijekova EU. Kako se, prema svim spoznajama, nakon cijepljenja razvija visoki imunološki odgovor na soj virusa H5N1, smatra se da bi to trebalo biti dovoljno za prvo suočavanje s gripom pandemijskog karaktera. Cjepivo je posebno važno zbog toga jer je svojevrsna baza koja će omogućiti brzu proizvodnju pravog cjepiva za zaštitu od virusa gripe koji će se izolirati i identificirati, naravno, tek kad se pojavi. Riječ je o ozbiljnim pripremama za pandemiju gripe, koja ne bi trebala imati za ljude tako razorne posljedice kao, primjerice, španjolka. Glaxo je uložio dvije milijarde dolara, među ostalim i za jačanje proizvodnih pogona. Naime, u svijetu su počele narudžbe cjepiva. Primjerice, švicarski zavod za javno zdravstvo već je naručio osam milijuna doza pretpandemijskog cjepiva, ali i 7,5 milijuna doza budućeg pandemijskog cjepiva virusa gripe. I mnoge druge zemlje, među kojima su Velika Britanija i Francuska, pregovaraju o kupnji cjepiva kako bi se na vrijeme pripremili za pandemiju.
Pandemija 2008.
Hoće li okidač za novi, mutirani virus pandemijske snage biti ptičja gripa H5N1 tek treba vidjeti, a nije moguće precizno predvidjeti ni kad će se to dogoditi. Iako, nagađa se da bi to mogla biti 2008. godina. SZO preporučuje da se sve države opskrbe cjepivom koje bi bilo dovoljno za zaštitu pet do deset posto pučanstva.
Loše vijesti s ptičjom gripom se nastavljaju u Jugoistočnoj Aziji i Egiptu ..a evo i najnovije.. pomalo alamartne vijesti iz znanstvenih krugova:
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Scientists Find Mutations That Let Bird Flu Adapt to Humans
By comparing influenza viruses found in birds with those of the avian virus that have also infected human hosts, researchers have identified key genetic changes required for pandemic strains of bird flu.
Newswise — By comparing influenza viruses found in birds with those of the avian virus that have also infected human hosts, researchers have identified key genetic changes required for pandemic strains of bird flu.
The new work, reported in the Nov. 16 issue of the journal Nature, illustrates the genetic changes required for the H5N1 avian influenza virus to adapt to easily recognize the receptors that are the gateway to human cells.
"We identified two changes that are important," says Yoshihiro Kawaoka, the senior author of the Nature paper and a virologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison School of Veterinary Medicine. "Both changes are needed for the H5N1 virus to recognize human receptors."
( virusi mutiraju stalno ali dvije promjene od svih ostalih promjena su one koje bi moguce izazvale pandemiju..znanstvenici sada znaju koje promjene bi to bile i stalno će monitor na njih)
The new report provides a molecular blueprint for the genetic changes required to transform a virus that only infects birds to a virus capable of easily recognizing human receptors. Receptors are molecules on the surface of cells that permit the virus to dock with the cell and commandeer it to initiate a cascade of infection. By knowing what genetic changes are required for the virus to easily infect human cells, it may be possible to detect the emergence of pandemic strains earlier, providing public health officials and vaccine manufacturers with precious time to prepare for a global outbreak of highly pathogenic influenza.
To be successful, a virus must be able to recognize and attach to a host cell. But human and avian influenza viruses recognize different cell receptors. Avian flu viruses have demonstrated an ability to evolve to easily infect humans by exchanging genes with human viruses that subsequently permit them to recognize human receptor molecules and gain easy access to cells, typically in the human respiratory system.
The change is thought to occur when human patients are exposed at the same time to a human flu virus and an avian flu virus. Most viruses, including influenza, readily swap genes with one another.
( ove dvije potencijalno fatalne promjene bile bi one kad pacijent u isto vrijeme biva izložen virusu obične gripe i virusu H5N1)
In the new study, conducted by an international team of researchers, the viruses isolated from human patients in Vietnam and Thailand could recognize both human and avian cell receptors. By contrast, the viruses found in chickens and ducks could only recognize the receptors on avian cells.
The work helps flesh out the changes that have occurred in the worrisome strain of avian influenza virus known as H5N1, a strain some fear could be the organism that will trigger a pandemic of virulent human influenza. The avian virus has already changed dramatically from when it was first identified in 1997, says Kawaoka, who also holds an appointment at the University of Tokyo.
"There are big differences between the virus first found in 1997 and the virus we see now," Kawaoka explains. "We are watching this virus turn itself into a human pathogen."
The mutations found by Kawaoka's group have not yet conferred a complete ability on avian flu to easily recognize the topography of human cells, but they are key steps on that pathway. More mutations, says Kawaoka, will be required for the virus to fully adapt to humans, but it is not known how many mutations are needed for such a change.
However, if scientists are able to continue to monitor and secure viral isolates from humans infected with bird flu, they may be able to map a mutation trajectory that will help predict when the avian virus will cross the threshold to become a human pathogen.
The last two flu pandemics in 1957 and 1968 were caused by avian viruses that had accumulated enough genetic mutations to be considered hybrids of animal and human viruses, Kawaoka notes.
The new work was supported by grants from the Japan Science and Technology Agency; the Japan Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology; the Japan Ministry of Health Labor and Welfare; and the U.S. National Institutes of Health.
A tu je još i Nimanova tvrdnja da se influenca B i influenca A opasno rekombinirale u Egiptu prije par dana .. kod poslijednje egipatske žrtve..što on ovaj put naziva alamartnim
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11150602/H5N1_RBD_B.html
The new acquisition in Egypt creates matches with other flu's that are easily transmitted human to human. The change at position 230 switches the M to an I. The is found in human flu (Inluenza A, H1N1 and H3N2) as well as Influenza B. It is also in H7N7 and H3N8, which are MAMMALIAN serotypes. H7N7 is efficiently transmitted H2H..
I have to look at position 192, but there are already changes at 187, 188, 189, 192, 193 waiting to recombine with 230 and/or 227.
There are many bullets in the chamber, and the next few MONTHS should be interesting.
tj što niman želi reći je da se kod žrtve dogodila kombinacija obične gripe i ptičje gripe ali pošto je od tada prošlo par tjedana vjerojatno je i taj novi strain umro zajedno sa žrtvom.. i nije se produžio dalje brzinom kojom se širi obična gripa..ili pak ako se taj novi strain prenese opet na ptice a nakon toga opet na ljude ili sisavce..
Sama pojava egipatske situacije sugerira oprez jer ako se opasna kombinacija dogodila jednom dogodit će se opet..tako nekako sam ja razumjela njegov stav.. tvrdi da će biti interesantno narednih mjeseci..
Grčka našla H5 u divlje patke..eto opet se približava
BIRD FLU
H5 strain found in wild duck in central Greece; measures demanded
A veterinary laboratory in Halkida, Evia, said yesterday that it had discovered the H5 strain of bird flu in a wild duck that was found in Fthiotida, central Greece.
The H5 virus is only lethal to birds but samples from the duck will be sent to England to determine whether the virus is the H5N1 strain which can also kill humans.
Authorities in Fthiotoda have been instructed to adopt emergency bird flu measures, such as ensuring that poultry is kept indoors.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_...8/11/2006_76742
Neobično visoke jesenske temperature odrazile su se i na prirodni ritam divljih životinja. Nema tradiconalne selidbe ptica u toplije krajeve, a žabe ne mogu usnuti zimski san. 'Totalni stres'.
S temperaturama u studenom, koje su u nekim područjima na istoku Njemačke penju preko 20 stupnjeva Celzijevih, biolozi su primjetili velike poremećaje u prirodnom ciklusu.
"Ptice selice, kao što su rode, nemaju želju krenuti u toplije krajeve jer još uvijek pronalaze dovoljno hrane na poljima", objasnio je Peter Schütz iz ureda za ekologiju savezne pokrajine Sjeverna Rajna-Vestfalija.
"Zato i neće krenuti na jug sve do siječnja, a možda neće uopće otići", dodao je.
I dok se proljetnice pojavljuju iz toplog tla mjesecima prije reda, životinje kao žabe, daždevnjaci i šišmiši, koje normalno prespavaju zimu, izgledaju potpuno zbunjene.
"Životinje su u totalnom stresu", kaže Schütz.
Upozorava da će, nastave li se proljetne temperature kojima će uslijediti nagli val hladnoće, životinje biti u opasnosti jer nisu imale vremena skupiti dovoljne rezerve masnoće za zimu.
Smrznut će se i prerano procvjetalo proljetno cvijeće.
U subotu je u Bavarskoj zabilježena rekordno visoka temperatura za kraj jeseni – 22 stupnja Celzijevih. Temperature u rujnu, listopadu i studenom su za tri stupanja više od prosječnih, naglasio je tamošnji meteorološki ured.
http://www.net.hr/znanost/page/2006/11/28/0475006.html
Vincent V
30.11.2006., 20:00
Evo javljam se iz Bavarske. Istina ziva,svi njemci tumaraju u cudu kakvo je to vrijeme.Inace bi bilo normalno da su zamemteni snijego i pod -20C.U kolovozu je temperatura bila neki puta i do 8-9 stupnjeva a sad je pocetkom prosinca 20.
peepman
03.01.2007., 04:30
dizem. za svaki slucaj :)
Timeline pojavljivanja lanjskih i ovogodišnjih slučajeva će se dosta razlikovati; lani od jeseni, ove godine od zime. Par slučajeva u Egiptu od prije 10-etak dana, sada opet. naravno, Indonezija. Vijest od prije sat vremena:
The Indonesian Health Ministry has stated that at least seven people, including three children from Northern Sumatra Province in the district of Karo, are being hospitalized for the suspected H5N1 Bird Flu virus and officials believe that the infected are part of "two clusters" of family members who are sick.
http://manilamaildc.net/article-category-2.html
U Hong Kongu pak panika zbog jedne ptice u centru grada:
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=17250
Stanje je pred eskalacijom u Vijetnamu. Zasad samo životinjski slučajevi.
The health official also affirmed that Viet Nam has discovered no new human cases of H5N1 infections since Nov. 14, 2005
http://english.vietnamnet.vn/social/2007/01/650727/
Dakle, otpalo je ono "možda se virus sam od sebe povukao"...
deatwin
05.01.2007., 18:27
Vet, kak mi stojimo? Monitoring funkcionira?
I jeste li gledali jučer (ili prekjučer :confused: ) onu emisiju H5N1 - RH?
emisija im je za kurac, reakcije javnosti se svode na arhivske snimke informativnog programa hrta i napise iz neimenovane dnevne štampe... :kava:
deatwin
06.01.2007., 14:20
Ček, pa to im je i bio cilj.
H5N1 u RH, medijska parada, skakanje u usta, mijenjanje mišljenja, neupućenost.....
Bar sam ja to tak shvatila :confused: ...ili nije??
znači, i ti smatraš da je HRT jedini legitimni predstavnik javnog mnijenja u našoj zemlji? ma daaaj... :rolleyes:
deatwin
06.01.2007., 18:42
znači, i ti smatraš da je HRT jedini legitimni predstavnik javnog mnijenja u našoj zemlji? ma daaaj... :rolleyes:
Paučko, da li mi govorimo o istoj emisiji?
Uovoj emisiji su bili prilozi sa HRT, NoveTV, RTL-a, iz svih novina....smontirani (uz prizore baleta Labuđe jezero) u jeda prilog-emisiju.
I ne znam kako si (temeljem čega si) zaključio da I ja smatram da je HRT jedini legitimni predstavnik javnom mnijenja u RH :confused:
Interesantan clanak :rolleyes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1984555,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1
Uovoj emisiji su bili prilozi sa NoveTV, RTL-a...
ne
Uovoj emisiji su bili prilozi iz svih novina...
ne
WHO:
9 January 2007
The Ministry of Health in Indonesia has confirmed an additional two cases of human infection with the H5N1 avian influenza virus.
The first newly-confirmed case is a 14 year old male from West Jakarta. He developed symptoms on 31 December 2006 and was hospitalized on 4 January 2007. He remains hospitalized. Deaths among poultry in the neighbourhood have recently been reported. The source of exposure is currently under investigation.
The second case is a 37 year old female from Tangerang, Banten Province. She developed symptoms on 1 January 2007 and was hospitalized on 6 January 2007. She remains in intensive care. Initial investigations suggest sick poultry as the possible source of infection.
Of the 76 cases confirmed to date in Indonesia, 57 have been fatal.
deatwin
09.01.2007., 17:47
ne
ne
E ondak smo gledali različite emisije... Dobro da se nismo pokefali :zubo:
E baš mi je žal kaj i ovu nisi gledao....zanima me komentar onih koji su gledali....
ma to je ta emisija. s baletom i sve to. i nisu imali ništ osim hrtovih priloga. uostalom, kad si ti vidio da je hrt pustio nešto s nove?
Indonezijka ( 37) umrla, muz i sin imaju iste simptome.
Novi slucajevi se ispituju ( 22g i 27g + troclana obitelj) u Indoneziji
U Japanu i Vjetnamu se siri kod peradi
U Honkongu nadjeno kod ptica
U Nigeriji se prosirilo na novu oblast.
Bird Flu Kills Indonesian, May Have Returned to Japan (Update6)
By Karima Anjani and Kanoko Matsuyama
Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Bird flu killed a 37-year-old woman in Indonesia and may have infected hundreds of poultry in Japan as the lethal virus resurfaces across Asia.
The woman's death late yesterday brings to 59 the number of fatalities from the H5N1 avian influenza virus in Indonesia, Runizar Ruesin, a Health Ministry official, said in a mobile phone text message today. Japan's farm ministry suspects the virus killed poultry on a farm on the southern island of Kyushu.
The new infections provide chances for H5N1 to mutate into a form more dangerous to people. Millions could die if it mutates and begins spreading easily between people, sparking a pandemic. South Korea, Vietnam and Nigeria had fresh poultry outbreaks last month, while China and Egypt found human cases.
``It makes biologic sense that where there is more virus activity, there is a greater likelihood of some type of genetic change,'' Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in Minneapolis, said in a telephone interview today.
The H5N1 strain is known to have infected 264 people in 10 countries since 2003, killing 158 of them, the World Health Organization said yesterday. Indonesia recorded the most deaths.
New Indonesian Case
A 22-year-old man from Tangerang, in the Banten province on the west of Java island, tested positive for H5N1, I Nyoman Kandun, the ministry's director general of disease control and environment, said today in a mobile phone text message.
The man is from the same province as the woman who died yesterday. She developed symptoms on Jan. 1 and was admitted to Jakarta's Persahabatan Hospital five days later. Her 42-year-old husband and their 18-year-old son are suffering from symptoms of fever and respiratory infection, and are being tested for avian flu, Mukhtar Ikhsan, a doctor at the hospital, said yesterday.
Test results are pending for the other family members and, if confirmed, would represent the latest cluster of H5N1 cases in the southeast Asian nation, said Ruesin, who is head of the Health Ministry's avian flu information center.
Tests are also being run on a 27-year-old man being treated in the Persahabatan Hospital, and three members of another family hospitalized in Bandung city in West Java province, Kandun said.
The H5N1 virus has been found in fowl in 30 out of 33 provinces in the archipelago of 18,000 islands, making it difficult for disease trackers to detect outbreaks.
`High-Risk' Area
``Given the situation in Indonesia, where we have had a high number of cases in poultry and a significant number of cases in people in the last year, Indonesia becomes one of the high-risk areas of the world,'' John Weaver, a senior technical adviser on avian flu with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, said in an interview in Jakarta today.
Japan's Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries Ministry will isolate fowl on the farm in the southern prefecture of Miyazaki, where the 750 bird-deaths were reported. It asked other poultry farmers within a 10-kilometer (6-mile) radius not to move their produce until the investigation is finished. The farm has 12,000 poultry, the ministry said yesterday.
Results of tests for H5N1 may be announced as early as tomorrow, ministry officials told reporters in Tokyo today.
``This case is very likely to be highly pathogenic bird flu'' virus, said Takashi Himeda, a manager of with the ministry's animal sanitation department. ``The possible infection route may be migrant birds, but we don't know yet.''
Food Safety
The ministry is sending two avian-flu specialists to help implement control measures and the cabinet office will meet today to coordinate an investigation with other ministries. It is advising meat distributors and restaurants on poultry-meat safety. Local governments will be asked to contact farms throughout Japan to check for signs of infection.
There isn't any risk in eating poultry or eggs that are properly cooked because the virus is destroyed at temperatures above 70 degrees Celsius (158 degrees Fahrenheit).
South Korea temporarily halted imports of Japanese poultry, the country's agriculture ministry said in a statement today. A ban will be imposed if a highly pathogenic avian flu virus is confirmed, the ministry said.
Japan's first H5N1 outbreak was reported in a commercial poultry flock in Yamaguchi prefecture on the southwestern edge of the main island of Honshu three years ago. Outbreaks were also found in poultry in Oita and Kyoto prefectures, the last of which occurred in March 2004.
Japan is the world's second-largest importer of chicken meat, according to data kept by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. It bought 443,000 metric tons of the white, worth 102 billion yen ($846 million) in 2005, according to Japan's farm ministry.
Avian-flu outbreaks ``will remain to be the biggest factor'' affecting world poultry demand and supply in 2007, the USDA said in a report last year. ``Any major outbreaks in both exporting and importing countries will likely disrupt the trade causing uncertainties'' for the Japanese meat trade, it said, adding that Brazil is a key supplier to Japan.
Yesterday, Vietnam said the virus killed 30 chickens in Vinh Long, the fifth southern province to record an outbreak in poultry during the past month.
To contact the reporters on this story: Karima Anjani in Jakarta at kanjani@bloomberg.net ; Kanoko Matsuyama in Tokyo at at kmatsuyama2@bloomberg.net
Macke lutalice zarazene su H5N1-om u Indoneziji..neke su bili pohvatali zbog ispitivanja i idioti ih opet pustili na slobodu..
ma divno..macke su inace koliko se sjecam najjaci vektori.. dakle s macaka na ptice, pa onda sa ptica natrag na perad ili na macke, ma divota... :eek:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/National/20070116084009/Article/local1_html
S mačaka može čini mi se jedino na ptice-lešinarke. Ne može se virus zaustaviti pojedinačnim izolacijama, ni ljudi ni životinja. Pravih novosti nema; naravno ako bi novost bila samo da je virus ili završio sezonu ili da je promijenio ćud, prilagodio se na novog domaćina.
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