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Ona007
17.01.2007., 14:06
S mačaka može čini mi se jedino na ptice-lešinarke. Ne može se virus zaustaviti pojedinačnim izolacijama, ni ljudi ni životinja. Pravih novosti nema; naravno ako bi novost bila samo da je virus ili završio sezonu ili da je promijenio ćud, prilagodio se na novog domaćina.

A ne moze se neka od tih macaka 'sresti' sa nekom domacom mackom koja zivi u kuci i koju njen domacin cesto mazi?

Ima nekih nagovijesti da se virus promijenio al nema u stampi puno o tome:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/31/nflu31.xml


The researchers found that a strain emerged last year and became the dominant strain in southern China by early this year, displacing previous ones. The strain appeared to avoid China's compulsory chicken vaccination programme, and may even be aided by the vaccine, which may be ineffective against the new strain.

The new strain was also responsible for recent human H5N1 infections in China, which have occurred in rural and urban areas, some of which could not be linked to nearby outbreaks in farms or local markets. The researchers warn that such urban human infections could lead to a serious outbreak, challenging current pandemic preparedness plans.

These new viruses have already transmitted to Hong Kong, Laos, Malaysia and Thailand, resulting in a new transmission and outbreak wave in South-east Asia, say the team. "The predominance of this virus over a large geographical region within a short period directly challenges current disease control measures," the team concludes.

This strain may have begun the third wave of transmission of H5N1 avian flu that could potentially spread throughout Eurasia. Without more and broader flu surveillance in both poultry and humans, say the researchers, identifying an outbreak of human H5N1 influenza will be difficult.

CosmaShiva
17.01.2007., 14:06
Neznalica sam što se tiče te teme pa imam pitanje
jel moguće da virus mutira u neki lakši oblik gripe? zar ta mogućnost nepostoji?
jer svi spominju samo ako počne prijelaziti s čovijeka na čovijeka da će biti još smrtonosniji

Ona007
17.01.2007., 22:26
Neznalica sam što se tiče te teme pa imam pitanje
jel moguće da virus mutira u neki lakši oblik gripe? zar ta mogućnost nepostoji?
jer svi spominju samo ako počne prijelaziti s čovijeka na čovijeka da će biti još smrtonosniji


Naravno da postoji ta mogucnost.. ali koliko shvacam moze mutirati u npr 5000 ogranaka, svaki sa razlicitim posljedicama..
To ti je, kako vec negdje pise na ovoj temi, ko da vidis na milione majmuna koji nasumice tipkaju djibrish na pisace masine i pokusavaju napisat nesto od Shekspira..
Koliko shvacam, trenutna situacija je da su neki od njih uspjeli napisat prvi chapter..

Problem s ovom gripom je sto nema lijeka, nema cjepiva i nece ga ni biti dok se konacni virus ubojica ne pojavi..a nakon sto se pojavi svakoj zemlji ce trebat najmanje sest mjeseci da proizvede dovoljno cjepiva i u toj fazi bi moglo puno ljudi poumirat..

Virus u stvari ubija covjeka tako sto izazove vlastiti imunitet da se samoubije
Prenose ga ptice selice i iako se radi o avian ( tj pticjem) virusu on se uspio prilagodit i kod sisavaca.. eto npr macaka.. a pored covjeka nadjen je i kod kuna.. svinja.. pasa..

Zasad uglavnom ljudi taj virus (koji kod svakoga nije istog oblika tj strain ovisi o geografskom podrucju i kako se taj virus u tom podrucju razvio) dobijaju od
peradi ( a bio je slucaj i sa ptica na covjeka ili iz prirode tj vode jezera ili izmeta ptica na covjeka) .. no u zadnje vrijeme javljaju se i takozvani clusteri.. tj prijenos sa covjeka na covjeka ali je taj prijenos zasad sporadican, tj ne tako cest..i obicno je po krvnom srodstvu dakle ljudi slicne genetske strukture..mada postoji i slucaj doktora u Vijetnamu koji je moguce dobio virus od pacijenta s kojim nije bio u krvnom srodstvu..
Cini se da je ovo sad prvi put u Indoneziji da ima i majka i sin a sumnja se i muz.. sto bi moglo znacit i da je naucio kako prijeci na drugu ljudsku genetsku strukturu..

CosmaShiva
17.01.2007., 23:14
Thanks Ona,na opsežnom objašnjenju
za te slučaje sam znala ali se nekako nadam da će se pomiješati sa ljudskom gripom i da će nekako postati blaži oblik gripe :moli:

tf1/4
17.01.2007., 23:41
Nema razloga za strah za sad. Humana, klasična gripa, snažna prilagođenost čovjeku, lako prenošenje, mala i nikakva smrtnost. Ptičja se iznimno rijetko prenosi s čovjeka na čovjeka, efikasno među peradi. Fatalitet za čovjeka visok. Ali kad se pogleda koliko je ljudi bilo izloženo virusu, u Aziji barem 200-300 milijuna (prisutan stalno među peradi, mačkama, tuljanima, cibetkama, etc.) on ne predstavlja gotovo nikakvu opasnost za ljudsku vrstu, dakako u sadašnjem obliku. Osim ako se ne izmjeni genetski materijal kritičke važnosti između virusa ptičje i humane influence.To se dosad još nije dogodilo, u milijardama i milijardama generacija virusa u zadnjih 8 godina, od kada se pouzdano zna da se h5n1 pojavio. To je pogled sa strane koja vidi samo pozitivna obilježja, za sad joj i logika ide u prilog..

Ona007
18.01.2007., 11:48
Sumnja se da cetvero ljudi u Tajlandu boluje od pticje gripe koju su moguce dobili od svojih svinja
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=116125

Novi slucajevi u Egiptu
http://bodyandhealth.canada.com/channel_health_news_details.asp?news_id=11562&news_channel_id=1020&channel_id=1020&rot=11

Kina je odlucila uloziti ogromna sredstva za borbu protiv pticje gripe a novi slucajevi kod ptica zabiljzeni su u Hong Kong-u

Ona007
20.01.2007., 16:38
Europe must remain on high bird flu alert - expert
Reuters - Thu 18 Jan 2007 16:24:45 GMT

AMSTERDAM, Jan 18 (Reuters) - New outbreaks of bird flu in Asia mean Europe must remain alert to the threat posed by the disease, an animal health expert said on Thursday.

"What we have seen happening now in Asia, especially what's happening in Indonesia and the confirmed case in Japan, is very worrisome," Albert Osterhaus, professor of virology at Erasmus University in the Netherlands, told Reuters.

"We have to remain alert. We have to be aware that indeed there is this permanent threat."

He said scientists lacked a clear picture of how the virus spread and intensive monitoring of migratory birds and commercial poultry was needed.

"We haven't got the full picture of where the virus is but it has spread all over West Africa, it's still in the Middle East. It's not completely clear what exactly the situation in Europe and eastern Europe is -- we have to monitor that quite intensively."

Officials in Japan said earlier on Thursday that tests showed an outbreak of bird flu at a poultry farm last week was due to a highly virulent type within the deadly H5N1 strain.

Since the start of the year, four Indonesians have died after contracting H5N1, which originated in Asia and has killed more than 160 people worldwide so far.

Osterhaus said the European Union was about to launch a major project to expand monitoring of wild bird migration to strengthen its defences against bird flu.

Osterhaus will lead the EU-funded project, which will extend to countries in Africa and Asia from where wild birds migrate to Europe.

Several countries in eastern and western Europe were hit by the H5N1 virus in 2005.

Scientists fear that H5N1 might mutate into a form easily spread between humans, sparking a worldwide pandemic and killing millions of people.

Ona007
20.01.2007., 22:35
H5N1 kod zrtava u Egiptu pokazao se imunim na Tamiflu.. , jos jedna smrt je zabiljezena u Egiptu a vlasti tvrde da nema H2H opasnosti...

tf1/4
21.01.2007., 14:49
Avian influenza - situation in Egypt - update

18 January 2007

Viruses with a genetic mutation, linked in laboratory testing to moderately reduced susceptibility to oseltamivir, have been discovered in two persons previously reported with H5N1 infections in Egypt. Both patients had been on treatment with oseltamivir for two days before the clinical samples that yielded the viruses were taken
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2007_01_18/en/index.html

Nisam iznenađen s ovom rezistencijom; riječ je možda o prvaku po mutacijama među virusima. Opet, to je za sad samo jedna loza virusa.

Ona007
21.01.2007., 17:51
Nadajmo se da se ova gripa nece nigdje 'spojit' sa H5N1 strain-om :o


Flu-Flooded Doctors in Bulgaria Pulling Extra Shifts


Politics: 19 January 2007, Friday.

Doctors in Bulgaria have to pull extra shifts to handle all the flu-stricken patients that have flooded the hospitals.

Additional beds had to be placed in the hospital in the southern city of Kyustendil, because the patients are just too many.

Although the hospital has 350 beds, there are 372 patients, 80 of them children, who have developed complications after first contracting the flu. Patients have to be temporary placed in other wards and all planned surgeries have been cancelled, the hospital's head Mihail Zortev has told Darik News.

Almost two thirds of the schools in the district have already closed doors until the flu epidemic is gone.The total number of schools throughout the country that have let students on a forced vacation is 252. They are concentrated in six municipalities.



http://international.ibox.bg/news/id_561319281
Flu Spreads to Capital

Sunday, January 21
Flu Spreads to Capital

Updated on: 21.01.2007, 19:23

Published on: 20.01.2007, 13:00

Author: Dimitar Tabakov


Bulgaria is in the grip of a serious flu epidemic and the virus continues to spread. The outbreak is forcing hospitals to cancel hundreds of operations and there is significant overcrowding in majors hospitals across the country.

The bug is due to peak this week according to experts from the National Center for Infectious Diseases. A flu epidemic was declared in the capital yesterday and several other cities did so earlier this week.

Calls to GP's have soared in the last few days and some docs say they are 'overwhelmed' with the sheer number of patients. Meanwhile, pharmacists have reported a fourfold increase in the number of customers asking for cold and flu remedies and painkillers.

The epidemic started around the Black Sea coast, with Varna and Bourgas worst affected simply because a large number of people live there, a doctor from the "St. Luka" medical centre said. It now seems the bug has finally reached the capital.

Pharmacists 'overwhelmed'

In a special interview with news.bg, Boriana Ivanova, a pharmacist from Sofia said she is 'shocked' by the long long queues in front of her drugstore. "I am afraid I might contract the disease, so I started wearing a mask," she said. Boriana Ivanova is 46, and ownes a small but very popular drugstore in the "St Trinity" living quarter in Sofia.

"It's terrible, and we had to work extra hours to meet the demand," she says.

Most Bulgarians believe the unusually warm weather is to blame for the outbreak, while doctors disagree. "There is nothing unusual in this year, we have flu epidemics every year," they claim.

Flu spreads around the world in seasonal epidemics, killing millions of people in pandemic years and hundreds of thousands in non-pandemic years.

Three influenza pandemics occurred in the 20th century-each following a major genetic change in the virus-and killed tens of millions of people.

Vaccinations against influenza are most commonly given to high-risk humans in industrialised countries. The most common human vaccine is the trivalent flu vaccine that contains purified and inactivated material from three viral strains. Typically this vaccine includes material from two influenza A virus subtypes and one influenza B virus strain.

A vaccine formulated for one year may be ineffective in the following year, since the influenza virus changes rapidly over time and different strains become dominant. Antiviral drugs can be used to treat influenza, with neuraminidase inhibitors being particularly effective.


The symptoms

Coughing, sneezing plus a terrible splitting headache? Welcome to the Club!

Symptoms start 24 to 48 hours after infection and can begin suddenly. Chills or a chilly sensation are often the first indication of influenza.

Fever is common during the first few days, and the temperature may rise to 38 to 39 °C. Many people feel sufficiently ill to remain in bed for days; they have aches and pains throughout the body, most pronounced in the back and legs.


- Body aches, especially joints and throat
- Coughing and sneezing
- Extreme coldness and fever
- Fatigue
- Headache

Also your eyes coud be irritated, and there is nasal congestion. It can be difficult to distinguish between the common cold and influenza in the early stages of these infections but usually the symptoms of the flu are more severe than their common-cold equivalents.

What to do should you get the Dreaded Lurgy

People with the flu are advised to get plenty of rest, drink a lot of liquids, avoid using alcohol and tobacco and, if necessary, take medications such as paracetamol (acetaminophen) to relieve the fever and muscle aches associated with the flu.

Children and teenagers with flu symptoms (particularly fever) should avoid taking aspirin during an influenza infection (especially influenza type B) because doing so can lead to Reye syndrome, a rare but potentially fatal disease of the liver.

Since influenza is caused by a virus, antibiotics have no effect on the infection; unless prescribed for secondary infections such as bacterial pneumonia, they may lead to resistant bacteria. Antiviral medication is sometimes effective, but viruses can develop resistance to the standard antiviral drugs.

peregrine
23.01.2007., 16:40
... izgleda da se "stvar" opet približila...

Hungary suspects bird flu at southern geese farm
Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:14:00 AM

Five geese found dead in southeastern Hungary are being tested for suspected bird flu, an Agriculture Ministry official announced.

The dead birds, which have been taken to Budapest for testing, come from a farm that keeps 3,300 geese in the southeastern county of Csongrád. About 40 geese had fallen sick and some had died, Farming Ministry Secretary of State Fülöp Benedek told national newswire MTI.

Veterinarians who saw the birds said the suspicion of bird flu was justified.

Hungarian authorities set up a protected monitoring zone around the farm and informed all international organisations concerned, Benedek said.

The last case of bird flu in Hungary was reported in June 2006 and all restrictions connected to the disease were lifted in the country at the end of August 2006.

Hungary culled a million birds after the highly infectious H5N1 strain of bird flu was contracted by domestic poultry last year.

Ona007
23.01.2007., 20:39
Ne bas dobre vjesti s obzirom na epidemiju 'obicne' gripe u Bugarskoj..

Ona007
24.01.2007., 12:16
Laboratorije u Indoneziji nasle su H5N1 u organima letecih insekata.. znanstvenici se ne usudjuju reci da li se radi o niskopatogenom ili visokopatogenom virusu a insekti su nadjeni u regijama za koje se mislilo da nemaju H5N1 u ptica i peradi..
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=243071

Ona007
25.01.2007., 00:46
Madjarska je potvrdila da se kod uginulih gusaka na jugoistoku zemlje radilo o visokopatogenom obliku H5N1..
Dakle, virus H5N1 se vratio u Europu.. ili iz nje nije nikada ni otisao

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6296015.stm

Ona007
25.01.2007., 00:55
A ( da se malo prisjetimo :D ) evo i nacina kako su umrle zrtve virusa kontaktirale taj virus:

Possible human H5N1 sources mentioned in the media ( ovo je sa cureventrsa)

* Human-to-human (body fluids) - various places
* Touching contaminated gloves - Turkey
* Touching contaminated shoes - Hong Kong
* Cats - Indonesia
* Burying a dead cat - Indonesia (Jan '07) -> ovo je najnovije
* Dogs - Thailand
* Domesticated rabbits - Egypt
* Flies - Research paper
* Dust storms
* Tainted drinking water - Azerbaijan
* Swimming in a contaminated river - Vietnam
* Fertilizer - Indonesia
* Visiting a zoo - Thailand
* Contamination during gall-bladder surgery - China
* Exposure to live pigs and pig meat -Indonesia
* Handling previously-frozen chicken - China
* Feeding infected chickens to dogs -Indonesia
* Cracking an egg in the palm - India
* Eating (undercooked?) chicken - Turkey and Indonesia
* Consuming duck blood (pudding?) - Vietnam
* Duck's breath
* Neighbors' caged pet bird's droppings - Indonesia
* Walking past healthy chicken in market (asymptomatic carrier) - China
* Cleaning pigeon droppings from the roof gutter - Indonesia
* Playing with live pigeon - Indonesia
* Duck hunting - Turkey
* Cleaning a previously-infected farm - China
* Kissing a dead pet chicken goodbye - Turkey
* Plucking wild swan feathers - Azerbaijan
* Playing football with a severed chicken head - Turkey
* Sucking the blood out of a fighting cock's beak -China?

Ona007
25.01.2007., 16:44
Suspected bird flu case in Azerbaijan

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L25635193.htm

Suspected bird flu case in Azerbaijan
25 Jan 2007 15:27:01 GMT
Source: Reuters
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Background
Bird flu
More BAKU, Jan 25 (Reuters) - Health authorities in Azerbaijan are treating a 14-year-old boy for suspected bird flu, the Health Ministry said on Thursday.

The boy's sister was one of five people who died last year in an outbreak of H5N1 strain bird flu in the former Soviet republic between Turkey and Russia, the ministry said.

"It is too early to speak of an exact diagnosis. The boy's blood sample has been sent for analysis to a laboratory in London and is also being analysed in Baku," said a Health Ministry official who did not want to be named.

The boy is being treated in a respiratory illness institute in the capital, Baku.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) sent a team of experts to help Azerbaijan's health officials manage the previous outbreak, which began last spring.

The boy now in hospital is from the southern region of Salyan, which was one of two centres of last year's outbreak.

WHO experts traced the infection then to local people plucking migratory birds to use their feathers. It said the outbreak was contained and since April last year there have been no confirmed cases in Azerbaijan.

Bird flu has killed 163 people since 2003, according to the WHO. H5N1 is the most deadly strain so far identified

Ona007
26.01.2007., 23:14
Bird flu in pigs poses human risk
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-01/26/content_793325.htm


Scientists said two pigs on the Indonesian island of Bali had become infected with the bird flu virus, again raising concerns the deadly flu virus could become transmissible between people.

Speaking at a China-Japan infection prevention conference in Guangzhou, a leading Chinese medical expert said the pigs generated a variant of the bird flu virus after they contracted bird flu.

The pigs acted as a kind of mixing vessel in which genetic material from avian flu viruses combined with other influenza strains, said Zhong Nanshan, a renowned medical expert and academician with the Chinese Academy of Engineering.

Some pig organs are similar to human organs, suggesting that a similar mixing of flu genetic material could occur in humans, said Zhong.

The best way to prevent bird flu is to dispose of infected birds as quickly as possible, establish stringent quarantine requirements and treat human patients rapidly, Zhong said.

Ona007
29.01.2007., 23:06
Rusija je objavila da je nasla visokopatogeni H5N1 u Krasnodar-u, na jugu zemlje
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=81B1B300E54447E821AD2A2C690E296E

( Ovo je na Crnom moru..blizu Turske, Bugarske, Ukrajine i Rumunjske)

Ona007
31.01.2007., 15:23
Prva ljudska zrtva pticje gripe u Nigeriji
http://today.reuters.com/News/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=L31735214
Dead Nigerian woman tests positive for bird flu
Wed 31 Jan 2007 8:20 AM ET

(Adds quote)

LAGOS, Jan 31 (Reuters) - A Nigerian woman who died of flu symptoms has tested positive for the H5N1 bird flu virus, Information Minister Frank Nweke said on Wednesday, the first reported death from the virus in the West African country.

The woman from Nigeria's commercial capital Lagos is the first confirmed human victim of bird flu in sub-Saharan Africa, after the deadly disease was first found in poultry in Nigeria a year ago.

"Last night our team of 13 scientists were able to conclusively identify the case of avian influenza in a 22-year-old female who died in Lagos," Nweke told a news conference.

The woman was one of 14 people, three of whom died, from whom samples were taken for tests that were concluded on Tuesday. Samples are now being sent to foreign laboratories for confirmation.

Nigeria is one of three countries regarded by experts as the weakest areas in the global attempt to stem the spread of the virus.

Bird flu has killed at least 164 people around the globe since it reemerged in Asia in 2003, according to the most recent figures from the World Health Organisation. The death toll includes 11 fatalities in Egypt.

Ona007
02.02.2007., 19:59
Izgleda da se pticja gripa opet rapidno siri po Europi i oko Crnog Mora, tako da masovne iznenadne smrti perai ili ljudi odmah izazivaju sumnju da se radi o pticjoj gripi

U okolini Sulfok-a u UK 1000 gusaka je uginulo, jos uvijek se ispituju uzroci
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6325963.stm

U Turskoj 4ro djece je umrlo, turska vlada opovrgava da su umrli od pticje gripe
http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/Story.a...=ar&DSNO=948182

Ona007
02.02.2007., 23:19
H5 je potvrdjen u Engleskoj
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6326587.stm

Ona007
03.02.2007., 13:38
http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=338786
U Velikoj Britaniji potvrđen smrtonosni H5N1
Objavljeno prije sat vremena



DODATNI testovi provedeni na uzorcima uzetima sa britanske farme, pokazali su kako se radi o smrtonosnom virusu ptičje gripe, tipa H5N1, javlja BBC.

Virus je otkriven nakon što su veterinarske službe pozvane na farmu purana u Suffolku, u četvrtak navečer. Od posljedica ptičje gripe je do sad uginulo 2.600 purana.

Prema izvješću britanskog Ministarstva za zaštitu okoliša, hranu i ruralna područja, na farmi se nalazilo još 160.000 purana koji će biti pobijeni.

Direktor farme je rekao kako purani nisu uvezeni, već su uzgojeni u inkubatorima na farmi.

Farma se sada nalazi pod strogim mjerama zaštite kako ne bi došlo do širenja virusa.

Od 2003. godine, virus H5N1 je zabilježen kod 270 ljudi, a od njega ih je preminulo 164. Većina do sad zabilježenih smrtnih slučajeva kod ljudi zabilježena je na području Azije. U tom razdoblju je od posljedica gripe ili zaštitnih mjera ubijanjem, uginulo preko 200 milijuna ptica.

deatwin
04.02.2007., 14:28
...dakle farma...strogo kontrolirani uvjeti...sve moguće preventive...a ipak....

Kako spriječiti onda širenje na perad u običnim seoskim domaćinstvima, kad farme zatvorenog tipa nisu mogle spriječiti zarazu virusom?!?

Ona007, što kažu u UK, kako misle spriječiti širenje virusa i na drugim farmama?
U našim medijima je rečeno da pretpostaljvaju zarazu ulaskom manje (zaražene) ptice kroz otvor za ventilaciju.....

Ona007
04.02.2007., 17:02
...dakle farma...strogo kontrolirani uvjeti...sve moguće preventive...a ipak....

Kako spriječiti onda širenje na perad u običnim seoskim domaćinstvima, kad farme zatvorenog tipa nisu mogle spriječiti zarazu virusom?!?

Ona007, što kažu u UK, kako misle spriječiti širenje virusa i na drugim farmama?
U našim medijima je rečeno da pretpostaljvaju zarazu ulaskom manje (zaražene) ptice kroz otvor za ventilaciju.....

Izvor zaraze jos nije poznat.. a pretpostavit se moze svasta..
Ako zarazena pticica moze zarazit perad.. moze isto tako zarazit i veliku vecinu domacih ptica koje slobodno lete u okolini ( a nisu ptice selice) ..

E sad, je li se ova perad zarazila jer je zbog uvjeta u kojima se uzgaja imunoloski slabija od ostalih vrsta peradi je jedno od pitanja..

Uglavnom, oni planiraju sa svakom farmom isto postupat kao sa ovom ako do zaraze dodje..

Isto tako, stara prica, ljudima se savjetuje da pazljivo rukuju sa mesom, jajima itd.. i da je ako je dobro skuhano, meso je bezopasno

Ona007
04.02.2007., 22:45
Fourteen sealed lorries containing the bird carcasses are travelling to a rendering plant in Cheddleton, Staffordshire, where they will be destroyed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6328889.stm

Rendering plants perform one of the most complementing functions for modern slaughterhouses. They recycle dead animals, slaughterhouse wastes, and supermarket rejects into various products known as recycled meat, bone meal, and animal fat. These products are sold as a source of protein and other nutrients in the diets of dairy animals, poultry, swine, pet foods, cattle feed, and sheep feed. Animal fat is also used in animal feeds as an energy source.

Besides, without running rendering plants nearby each modern slaughterhouse, our cities would run the risk of becoming filled with diseased and rotting carcasses. Fatal viruses and bacteria would spread uncontrolled through the population.

One estimate states that some 40 billion pounds of slaughterhouse wastes like blood, bone, and viscera, as well as the remains of millions of euthanised cats and dogs passed along by veterinarians and animal shelters, are rendered annually into livestock feed. This way they turn dairy cows, other cattle and hogs, which are natural herbivores (vegetarians), into unwitting carnivores (non-vegetarians).

This is a multibillion-dollar industry, and these facilities operate 24 hours a day just about everywhere in America, Europe and other parts of the world. They have been in operation for years. Yet so few of us have ever heard of them.
http://jivdaya.org/rendering_plants.htm

deatwin
05.02.2007., 16:44
Izvor zaraze jos nije poznat.. a pretpostavit se moze svasta..
Ako zarazena pticica moze zarazit perad.. moze isto tako zarazit i veliku vecinu domacih ptica koje slobodno lete u okolini ( a nisu ptice selice) ..

E sad, je li se ova perad zarazila jer je zbog uvjeta u kojima se uzgaja imunoloski slabija od ostalih vrsta peradi je jedno od pitanja..

Uglavnom, oni planiraju sa svakom farmom isto postupat kao sa ovom ako do zaraze dodje..

Isto tako, stara prica, ljudima se savjetuje da pazljivo rukuju sa mesom, jajima itd.. i da je ako je dobro skuhano, meso je bezopasno

Hmnda...dobro skuhano meso stvarno nije zarazno, jednako važi i za jaja, kobase od peradi, sve što u sebi ima išta od peradi :rolleyes: ...no kojim čarobnim štapićem "perad" preseliti u lonac/tavu/pećnicu, bez da ga diraš, bez da njime kontaminiraš radnu ploču u kuhinji.... Teleportacija :zubo:
I opet bum ispala paničar, fak :flop:
A kaj mogu kad me frka... Kad vidim neodgovornost mojih sugrađana na svakom koraku, neodgovornost svih u lancu zaduženih upravo za preventivno djelovanje....
Ma :flop:

Ona007
05.02.2007., 20:42
U stvari su u pravu .. a virus na radnim povrsinama se moze ubit obicnim deterdzentom koliko znam.. no nikako ne mogu zaboravit sliku koju je jedan Turcin lani poslao na curevents - zena mu je sa rukavicama, maskom itd spremala piletinu..

Puno je opasniji pticji izmet, perje i prasina koju dizu kad zamasu krilima.. koliko se sjecam kod onog prvog slucaja u Hong Kong-u 1997 djecak se zarazio kad je dirao svoje cipele s kojima je stao u zarazeni izmet..


Novosti:
Jos jedna zrtva pticje gripe u Egiptu - 17 godisnja djevojka je umrla javlja reuters..

Ona007
06.02.2007., 08:50
Malo je neobicno da Hrvatksa nije zabranila uvoz peradi iz UK ..

Ona007
06.02.2007., 13:36
Jedna osoba u bolnici u Azerbejdzanu pod sumnjom da ima pticju gripu..
Jos dvoje potvrdjeno oboljelih od pticje gripe u Indoneziji
Pakistan objavio infekciju u domace peradi

Ona007
06.02.2007., 19:45
BBC javlja da je jedan od radnika sa zarazene farme u bolnici sa respiratornim problemima, cini se da se radi o veterinaru.. i da ga testiraju na pticju gripu..

Ako bude potvrdjeno bit ce ovo prva osoba u Europi
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6336823.stm

Ona007
07.02.2007., 08:44
Veterinar u UK je negativan javlja BBC
Reuters javlja da je jedna osoba na Cipru u bolnici i da se testira na H5N1 nakon posjete Tajlandu

Ona007
08.02.2007., 16:47
Pticja gripa ponovo se pojavila i kod peradi u Turskoj :(

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/Cri...oryId=L08370559

Ona007
08.02.2007., 20:10
Troje djece u Turskoj u bolnici, sumnja se na pticju gripu :(

Ona007
09.02.2007., 09:46
Virus u UK je 'identican' virusu u Madjarskoj.. sumnja se na povezanost tj da je virus na neki nacin, preko zarazene madjarske peradi stigao u UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6344335.stm

tf1/4
09.02.2007., 14:53
Britanci nastoje povezati uvoz purećeg mesa iz Mađarske s epizotijom na farmi purica u Britaniji. Prenapregnuto, nitko ne spominje puno vjerojatniji način zaraze, ptičjim migracijama. Glavni veterinar Mađarske je također odredio istragu, ali je bar najavio da je takva mogućnost vrlo malo vjerojatna.
Britanci su suspendirali uvoz purećeg mesa iz Mađarske. Također, jedna manja agnecija je objavila da je jedan od testiranih na ptičju gripu pozitivan. Ipak, provjerom na HPA kojeg se spominje kao izvor se vidi da je tu riječ o nekoj grešci..http://www.hpa.org.uk/hpa/news/articles/press_releases/2007/070208_Avian_Flu.htm
http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=60091&CFID=12036845&CFTOKEN=86025750
Second Briton Tested for Bird Flu
A second worker helping to cull turkeys in Suffolk, England is being tested for bird flu. The first, a vet, tested positive to both bird flu and seasonal flu. The Health Protection Agency (HPA) says it expects illnesses in the workers.
The HPA said that it is the season for respiratory illnesses and that the agency doesn't expect "any workers to test positive for avian flu". The HPA reminded the public that while the H5N1 strain can be contracted by people, it is still unlikely.

Ona007
09.02.2007., 20:47
Ovako:
Nitko nije pozitivan.. tj zasad nema zaraze medju ljudima u V Britaniji..
Ali cak i UN je nazalost potvrdio da su madjarski i britanski sojevi identicni,
Bernard Matthews, farma na kojoj se pojavila zaraza je prioznao da tjedno doprema 38 tona polu procesiranog mesa peradi iz Madjarske do Velike Britanije.. dakle inficirano meso izgleda da je uvezeno
I ne samo uvezeno nego je i u food chain-u u V Britaniji tako da ce se izgleda povuc iz prodaje..
Cak postoje indikacije da je zarazeno meso neprikladno cuvano na farmi Bernard Matthews te da se s njim dosli u dodir i ptice i stakori.. :eek:
Nevjerojatno zvuci ali to je teorija koju plasira britanska vlada i koja se sada nastoji dokazat..

U ptice selice se ne sumnja jer ih nema uginulih a nije ni vrijeme migracije

Ona007
09.02.2007., 22:55
Ovako: Bernard Matthews kompanija je na kraju itekako imala veze s madjarskom peradi..
Izgleda da se perad u Madjarskoj rezala u istoj firmi gdje se rezala i infektirana perad..prije nego je prevezena u Veliku Britaniju..
I izgleda da je stvarno infektirano meso tuke na britanskim policama :(

A bojim se i na policama 'drugih zemalja'

tf1/4
09.02.2007., 23:24
Izgleda da stvarno siroti Matthews ima veze s puretinom iz Mađarske. Ovaj slučaj će imo rasvijetliti malverzacije s robom, u ovom slučaju mesom, u svrhu što većeg profita. Najveća britanska farma uvozi očito jeftinije meso iz istočne Europe..potrošači (srećom u VB a ne u nas)vjerojatno kupuju meso koje nije deklariranog podrijetla. Štoviše, u tom dugom lacu se s namirnicom nehigijenski postupa, drukčije se ne može zaključiti, pogotovo ako se dokaže da je riječ o istom virusu. Virus ptičje gripe i bolest koju izaziva se zbog velikog pomora često u povijesti nazivao ptičjom kugom; mala doza(zaraženo meso, uzročnik prenešen u tragovima vjerojatno na zaposlenima i glodavcima)uzrokuje fatalnu bolest kod peradi. Ljudi ovdje nemaju većih razloga za strah; doza koja uzrokuje bolest kod peradi, ona količina virusa koja se nalazi na rukama prilikom manipulacije sa sirovim mesom za čovjeka nije opasna. Podrazumijeva se da nitko neće konzumirati toplinski ne obrađeno meso.

vet.
10.02.2007., 09:05
dakle, virus je trebao doći zaraženom guskom u klaonicu u mađarskoj, preživjeti proces obrade mesa, doći u kontakt s mesom pura (što nije nemoguce) jer je proces šurenja (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3741/is_n9_v42/ai_16131103)peradi vrljo prljav u uvjetima industrijske obrade . zatim se puretina trpa u hladnjače (kamione ?) i prelazi pola europe. U engleskoj klaonici se iskrcava i dalje obrađuje.

U klaonici su strogo podijeljeni čisti i nečisti putevi. ne smiju se križati. na jedan ulaz dolazi meso u kamionu hladnjaci na dalju obradu, a na drugi se dovozi živa perad u običnim kamionima i ostavlja u prljavom dijelu klaoničkog dvorišta. Promet mesa je jednosmjeran, od nečistog prema čistom. Jedni radnici rade u prljavom dijelu, drugi u čistom.

Na koji način se virus moze vratiti iz, ne klaonice, već dijela za preradu ohlađenog mesa, u peradarnik, medju živu perad i zaraziti ih.

Govorimo o virusu koji nije bas izdržljiv na vanjske uvjete, a zadnji put je bio u živom organizmu jos u madjarskoj, na gusčjoj farmi. On se ne razmnožava izvan žive stanice, već samo mehanički prenosi, ako je sposoban ostati dugo infektivan (ovaj to nije, virus slinavke i šapa npr, je)

Ako je virus tako otporan da preživi put preko cijele europe i preko hrpe posrednika (obradjena guska u klaonici>>puretina>>kamion hladnjača>>radnik u klaonici>>klaonička kantina za radnike>>radnik u tovilištu pura u engleskoj>> pure koje ugibaju od influence...

Kad bi bilo tak jednostavno, od lani u Europi praktički ne bi bilo zive kokoši do današnjeg dana.

Ne kažem da je nemoguće, ali je nategnuto do neba.

Jednostavnije je divljoj ptici koja se odmara uz peradarsku farmu i traži hranu i toplinu, pokakati se pored prosipane vreće stočne hrane i onda radniku na cipelama unijeti virus u tovilište. Ili kroz ventilaciju, ili kajjaznam.

U prvom slučaju zakazao bi samo pohlepni proizvođač puretine (činjenica je da je ilegalni promet mesom peradi u razvijenim zemljama po zaradi odmah negdje iza šverca droge i ljudi.)

U drugom slučaju zakazao bi kompletni epizootiološki monitoring u državi koja je imala problem s kravljim ludilom, a da ne govorim o fijasku sa slinavkom i šapom.

Reklo bi se da traže žrtveno janje, kad smo već u klaoničkim terminima....

Kaj se tiče biosigurnosti, nemjerljivo su stroži kriteriji u klaonicama (ne zbog virusa, nego u prvom redu Campylobactera i Salmonelle) i lakše ih je provoditi unatoč ljudskom faktoru.

Mnogo je teže zaštiti žive životinje na farmi, odnosno nemoguće ih je držati u aseptičnim uvjetima. Nema farme bez štakora, miševa, golubova, vrabaca, vrana, galebova i pitajboga čega sve ne.....

Ona007
11.02.2007., 02:14
Situacija oko pticje gripe u UK se toliko zakomplicirala a sa svim lazima vlade da ce morati reinkarnirati Sherloka Holmesa da sve to razmrsi.

tf1/4
11.02.2007., 08:39
Interesantno će biti kakav će biti nalaz iz preostalog mesa iz Mađarske, trebalo bi mu se ući u trag. Vjerojatno živog virusa neće naći, ali uz današnje lab. mogućnosti ostatke ili malo drukčije tragove (protutijela) bi trebalo pronaći. Opet, zbog viših interesa, čisto sumnjma da će im "vlada" izaći u javnost sa nepovoljnim nalazima.

Ona007
11.02.2007., 11:32
U stvari oni jos nemaju dokaza da se u istoj klaonici klalo i meso britanskog prozivodjaca i guske sa nedavno inficirane farme a bez dokaza sve je to samo pusta teorija..

Npr sinoc je izaslo na vidjelo da se 'posiljka iz klaonice iz Madjarske' pojavila nakon sto je vec nadjen virus H5N1 na farmi u Holtonu i to je vlada znala a dozvolila je dostavu..
Sve uzasno smrdi na namjestaljku

Ona007
11.02.2007., 13:07
Eh..eh..
Najnovije vijesti potvrdjuju da je Bernard Matthews u stvari kupovao meso iz klaonice koja je blizu proslomjesecne madjarske infektirane farme..
tj nije ju koristio samo za klanje svoje peradi

Hungary's Deputy Chief Vet, Bognar Lajos, said: "It is confirmed there is a trade between this slaughterhouse and Bernard Matthews.

"He buys products from that slaughterhouse, so we are investigating the situation - documentation, registration - and we are tracing back the live animals' origin."
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article...9,00.html?f=rss

Ona007
12.02.2007., 10:56
I najnovije.. prica postaje sve prljavija..
BBC javlja da je Bernard Matthews u stvari pored uvoza i izvozio meso u Madjarsku..
Madjarski veterinari su otkrili da je 6 kamiona iz Velike Britanije stiglo na farmu Bernard-a Matthews-a u Madjarskoj nakon sto je virus nadjen u Velikoj Britaniji

Pored toga, madjarski veterinari tvrde da se meso iz klaonice koja je bila blizu madjarske infektirane farme izvezlo svugdje po Europi..
I nitko nije imao nikakvih problema
Ne znam znaci li ovo da cijela Europa jede potencijalno zarazeno meso..
:eek:

Ona007
12.02.2007., 23:56
Ne mogu vjerovat al ova prica ima i nastavak.. britanci i madjari su se posvadjali malo oko toga cija je krivica.. firma koje je sve zakuhala.. dovozi tuke iz madjarske, zatim im skida prsa i ostatke ( osim prsa) vraca u nazad u Madjarsku gdje od tih ostataka prave kobasice..
I to su isto napravili dva dana nakon outbreak-a :(
Da je engleski soj identican madjarskom EU je danas opovrgla.. a klaonica u kojoj se virus pojavio od sutra nastavlja s radom..
Toliko nemara da nemam rijeci :flop:

tf1/4
18.02.2007., 21:55
Vjerojatan slučaj ptičje gripe u okolici Moskve. Negdje se može naći i da je potvrđeno pozitivno. Slučaj zanimljiv jer je dosad ovo bila bolest umjerenog pojasa; u Moskvi se već dulje dnevne tempereuture oko -5. Bioterorizam se također spominje.

Ona007
25.04.2009., 22:33
Svjetska zdravstvena organizacija upozorava na mogucu pandemiju nakon sto je 60tak ljudi u Mexiku i USA umrlo od svinjske gripe.

Spominje se da svinjska gripa od koje su ljudi umrli nosi H5N1 ( pticji) strain, ljudski strain i svinjski strain!

Nadajmo se da to nije onaj opasni pandemijski strain koji se predvidjao !

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/hscout/2009/04/25/hscout626461.html

WHO Warns of Possible Pandemic as Mexico Seeks to Contain Swine Flu
04.24.09, 08:00 PM EDT
No new cases reported in United States, CDC says

SATURDAY, April 25 (HealthDay News) -- Mexican authorities continued to take dramatic steps Saturday to try to contain the swine flu outbreak that has killed as many as 68 people, and sickened more than 1,000 others.

While the number of confirmed cases of swine flu in the United States remained unchanged at eight, Dr. Anne Schuchat, the U.S Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Interim Deputy Director for Science and Public Health Program, told reporters on Saturday that her agency was "worried, and because we are worried we are acting aggressively on a number of fronts" to investigate the outbreak. She added that, because of the wide geographic spread of the virus so far, the outbreak is already "beyond containment."

But Schuchat added that U.S. health officials had numerous tools to fight the illness' spread and protect the health of Americans.

Earlier in the day, the head of the World Health Organization said that the outbreak has the potential to develop into a pandemic.

WHO Director-General Margaret Chan said the outbreak involves "an animal strain of the H1N1 virus, and it has pandemic potential." But, she added, it was too early to say whether a pandemic would occur, the Associated Press reported.

Twenty-four suspected new cases of swine flu were reported Saturday in Mexico City alone. The government ordered schools closed and all public events have been suspended for the time being, including more than 500 concerts and other gatherings in the city of 20 million residents, the AP said.

The WHO has advised countries around the world to look for similar outbreaks.

All patients in the United States -- six from California and two from Texas -- have recovered from their infections.

Speaking to reporters in a Saturday afternoon teleconference, the CDC's Schuchat said that "at present there are still eight confirmed human cases of swine influenza in the United States. There is a serious situation in Mexico with severe disease and a number of confirmed swine influenza infections, generally among adults." She stressed that "these are very dynamic times and many things will be changing," and the spread and severity of the virus would be "very hard to predict."

While agents at the Border Infectious Disease Surveillance system at the U.S.-Mexico border are on high alert for those who might be carrying the flu, containing the virus was probably out of the question, Schuchat said. "If we found only a new influenza virus in one place, in a small community, we might be able to quench or contain it. But with infections in many different communities as we're seeing, we don't think that containment is feasible," she said. She added that as investigators probe deeper into cases in cities away from California and Texas, new cases are likely to emerge.

But Schuchat stressed that there are other ways to fight the flu. "Containment would be fantastic, but we think that there are many, many tools in our toolbox to reduce the illness and suffering that this virus is causing, and reduce transmission -- even if we are not in a circumstance where we could contain it," she said.

Schuchat added that steps are already being taken to devise a vaccine against this strain of swine flu, although the process takes time. "We are taking the initial steps in terms of preparing the seed virus to hand off to the industry partners, to produce large quantities. But you know it takes months to produce a vaccine," she said.

CDC officials said Friday that tests showed some of the Mexico victims died from the same new strain of swine flu that sickened the eight people in Texas and California. It's a worrisome new strain that combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans.

"The United States government is working with the World Health Organization and other international partners to assure early detection and warning and to respond as rapidly as possible to this threat," Dr. Richard Besser, acting director of the CDC, said during a Friday afternoon press briefing.

Besser said the CDC issued an outbreak notice for travelers to central Mexico and Mexico City, alerting people to the flu outbreak. "At this time there are no recommendations for U.S. travelers to change, restrict or alter their travel plans to Texas, California or Mexico," he said.

While Mexico's flu season is usually over by now, health officials noticed a sizeable uptick in flu cases in recent weeks. The World Health Organization reported about 800 cases of flu-like symptoms in Mexico in recent weeks, most of them among healthy young adults, with 57 deaths in Mexico City and three in central Mexico, The New York Times reported Friday.

That could be worrisome. Seasonal flus usually strike hardest at infants and the elderly, but pandemic flus -- such as the 1918-19 Spanish flu, which killed an estimated 20 million to 40 million people worldwide -- often strike young, healthy people, the newspaper reported.

Schuchat said Thursday that the virus in the United States is influenza A N1H1 mixed with swine influenza viruses. The virus contains genetic pieces from four different flu viruses -- North American swine influenza, North American avian influenza, human influenza viruses and swine influenza viruses found in Asia and Europe, she said.

"That particular genetic combination of swine influenza viruses has not been recognized before in the U.S. or elsewhere," Schuchat said.

The viruses found in the United States are resistant to two antiviral medications -- amantadine and rimantadine -- but are susceptible to the antivirals oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and zanamivir (Relenza), Schuchat said.

Swine flu is a respiratory disease of pigs caused by type A influenza. Swine flu does not normally infect humans. However, human infections do occur, usually after exposure to pigs. Symptoms resemble those of the regular flu, including sore throat, coughing and fever.

Dr. Marc Siegel, associate professor of medicine at New York University School of Medicine, said the current outbreak was unlikely to become a pandemic. "Swine flu could cause the next pandemic, but it is not likely that this thing is going to erupt and take over the world," he said. Even though the virus is being transmitted human-to-human, "that's a far cry from becoming a pandemic," he added.

Dr. Martin J. Blaser, chairman of the Department of Medicine at New York University Langone Medical Center in New York City, also believes it's unlikely the outbreak will trigger a pandemic.

"The CDC has been doing more surveillance for flu," Blaser said. "So it could be that these cases have been happening all the time, but we just never saw them. Or it is possible that it is a new strain of influenza that is emerging or it's a dangerous new combination. That's why we have to watch it closely."

ambrozija
25.04.2009., 22:40
... opa oživjela nam tema :kokice:

Ona007
25.04.2009., 23:37
A na BBC-u to je prva vijest i ima i video iz Meksika

Svjetska zdravstvena organizacija kaze da ovaj outbreak ima potencijal da postane pandemija i da ce se za par dana znat da ovaj outbreak ima velike dimenzije ili je ugusen.

Kako interesantno je to, bas u vrijeme kad je svjetska ekonomska kriza slicna onoj 1918!

evo video na bbc-u, bas svi s maskama u meksiku

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8018684.stm

Sve vrste skupljanja ljudi u Mexico city zabranjene, ducani zatvoreni za slijedecih 10 dana, preko 60 mrtvih i na 1000e zarazenih.. pa kud bas u Meksiko City, zar nije to najveci grad na svijetu?

Svjetska zdravstvena organizacija upozorava da sve zemlje na svijetu trebaju biti na oprezu oko ovoga !

Ona007
25.04.2009., 23:45
evo sa net.hr


'Svinjska gripa bi se mogla proširiti'
Liječnici su zabrinuti zbog novoga, nepoznatog soja svinjske gripe od čijih je posljedica do sada u Meksiku umrlo 68 osoba, no jedan od načina borbe protiv ove infekcije je redovito pranje ruku.

Direktorica Svjetske zdravstvene organizacije Margaret Chan izjavila kako je ''vrlo zabrinuta'' zbog pojave virusa svinjske gripe od čijih je posljedica do sada u Meksiku umrlo 68 osoba te je istaknula kako ''virus ima pandemijski potencijal''.

''Naravno, na temelju do sada raspoloživih laboratorijskih, epidemioloških i kliničkih pokazatelja ne možemo sa sigurnošću znati hoće li virus H1N1 uistinu prouzročiti pandemiju'', kazala je Chan.

Pošto je od svinjske gripe u Meksiku umrlo 68 ljudi, a u SAD-u zabilježeno najmanje osmero zaraženih, meksičke i američke zdravstvene službe pomno tragaju za znakovima novog soja virusa gripe kako bi utvrdile širi li se virus i dalje.

Meksiko je zatvorio škole i muzeje, te ukinuo gotovo sva javna događanja, iako dužnosnici Svjetske zdravstvene organizacije još nisu proglasili pandemiju.

WHO je priopćio da je virus kod 12 meksičkih pacijenata genski identičan novom soju virusa svinjske gripe, označenom kao H1N1, koji je otkriven i kod osam pacijenata iz Kalifornije i Teksasa.

Genske analize pokazale su da je taj soj virusa gripe nikada do sada viđena mješavina svinjskog, ljudskog i ptičjeg virusa. Odstupa od ostalih virusa gripe i činjenicom da gripa uglavnom pogađa starije ljude i mlađu djece, dok je ova vrsta gripe pokosila mlade ljude između 25 i 45 godina starosti.

Međunarodni odbor stručnjaka, doznaje se iz izvora bliskih WHO-u, direktorici Chan vjerojatno će predložiti da se stupanj opasnosti od potencijalne pandemije na ljestvici od jedan do šest poveća s dosadašnja tri za jedan ili dva stupnja.

''Još je prerano najavljivati bilo kakve naputke namijenjene putnicima i turistima, s obzirom na to da su potrebna dodatna detaljnija istraživanja'', izvijestila je Chan.

U Meksiku je do zada zabilježeno 1.005 slučajeva gripe za koje se sumnja da su uzrokovani spomenutim virusom. Ministar zdravstva Jose Angel Cordova izdao je naputke o izbjegavanju kretanja među masama ljudi i nošenju maski, upozorivši da cijepljenje do sada poznatim cjepivom Tamifluom nije jamstvo sprečavanja infekcije.

U Mexicu, metropoli od 20 milijuna ljudi, kirurške maske dijeli vojska. Odgođeni su i rock koncerti kao i nogometne utakmice. Osim u Kaliforniji u Teksasu, sumnjivi su se slučajevi, prema posljednjim podacima koje je objavio CNN, pojavili i u državi New York gdje su kod 75 učenika zamijećeni simptomi zaraze ovim virusom.

Dužnosnici američkog Centara za kontrolu i prevenciju bolesti (CDC) i Kalifornijski ured za javno zdravstvo u predstojećem razdoblju očekuju širenje zaraze. Zasad je poznato da je u SAD iz Meksika ušlo najmanje osmero zaraženih osoba.

Malo se može učiniti kada se bilo koja vrsta gripe već počela širiti, no iznenađujuće je učinkovito često pranje ruku.

''Stavite ruku na usta kada kišete ili kašljete te redovito i često perite ruke'', savjetuje dr. Richard Besser, direktor CDC-a. Za pranje se mogu se koristiti i gelovi te pjene na bazi alkohola.

''Druga je 'taktika' socijalno distanciranje, dakle, izbjegavanje većih skupina ljudi i osoba za koje znamo da su zaražene'', podsjeća dr. Besser.

http://www.net.hr/vijesti/svijet/page/2009/04/25/0054006.html?pos=n2

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26.04.2009., 14:23
ja se od svega toga najviše plašim pandemije mačjeg kašlja...