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28.12.2005., 02:18
SEVEN QUESTIONS
AND THE TRUTH ABOUT THE NDH
by Suzanne Brooks-Pincevic
Croatian historian, Dr Josip Jurcevic, specialist in WWII “Bleiburg” history,
and guest on the Hrvati-Amac website in October 2005,
avoided answering seven “Bleiburg” questions.
A month before, viewers to the site were invited to submit questions for Dr Jurcevic to answer. By the end of September there were some 50 questions submitted by about 16 people. Amongst whom the writer was one. The writer’s six questions arrived about mid-way in the list, and because the writer’s questions were in English, most were translated at the end of the month into Croatian – not once, but twice, and so the writer’s questions appeared four times – twice in English and twice in Croatian.
Dr Jurcevic arrived on the website on 2nd October 2005 to answer the questions. He did not commence at the beginning, but instead answered the questions that came immediately after those of the writer. He answered all the questions to the end of the list. The following day he returned to the site and answered the rest of the questions that had preceded those of the writer, except for one. So, that one question, and the writer’s six, remained unanswered. A member of the site asked why Dr Jurcevic had omitted to answer the seven remaining questions? He was told that Dr Jurcevic intended to answer all of them and would return. That was over a month ago. To the writer’s knowledge Dr Jurcevic has since been reminded twice. Yet the questions still remain unanswered.
What is now more than obvious, is that Dr Jurcevic has deliberately avoided these seven questions. And not only is this rude but also his conduct is most unprofessional – given that any creditable historian welcomes a challenge, and the opportunity to discuss his theories. One is therefore compelled to ask WHY Dr Jurcevic has chosen not to answer the writer’s questions?
It cannot be because he has no time – a more than sufficient period has elapsed.
It cannot be because he is unable to read the questions – they were translated twice.
It cannot be because he did not notice them – they appeared four times.
It cannot be because he does not know the answers – he has a doctorate in this history.
Let us then have a look at those six questions, and as to why Jurcevic has found them a problem to answer:
1) How big numerically were the NDH Armed Forces and exactly how many divisions made up the domobrans and the ustasa?
A simple question any thorough researcher of this history would know. It was the simplest, but the MOST important, of all the 50 questions asked of Jurcevic, because the answer to THIS question opens the door to the REASON for the murder of over half-a-million patriotic Croats; whose fight was mainly an internal war against Serb and/or communist tyranny in their OWN land – NOT the world war being fought in the other countries around them. The NDH Armed Forces were a lot bigger and more efficient than the current government wants you to believe. This was why they were a threat to establishing another Yugoslavia and the reason why so many were slaughtered.
When the REASON for their death, and what they fought for, is ignored, how can respect be given? It cannot be given and it is NOT given. When this question is answered truthfully, it reveals that there were hundreds of thousands of Croats in the NDH who believed a free Croatia was worth fighting for – and THAT gives the Domobrans, the Ustasa, and the NDH regime the RESPECT they deserve. A truthful answer to this question shows WHY the communists massacred half-a-million people – it was so that communist Yugoslavia could exist.
This question was necessary, because noticeably almost all detail about the NDH has been avoided in the many books written recently by Jurcevic and his colleagues. Therefore there can be no doubt that these deliberate omissions adhere to a well-known newspaper adage – “what is not recorded did not happen”.
The truthful answer to this question would be: In all 19 divisions: Domobrans approximately 100,400 (43%). In all 19 divisions: Ustasas approximately 132,900 (57%). In total approx.233,300 (100%).
To this needs to be added the various infantry divisions still training in Germany just before the end of the war (eg: 369th Devils division, 373rd Tiger division, 392nd Blue division), plus the assisting branches MINORSA which included medical, educational and financial personnel, plus there was the Airforce, Navy and Rangers. Adding many more to the number – in fact well over 300,000 personnel at the END of the war.
BUT – of course, this large number goes against the current HDZ Government policy of minimizing the numbers who were in the NDH. The government wants us to believe there were only a few thousand, not hundreds of thousands, they want us to believe that the NDH was a non-entity, a non-state, that it virtually did not exist. They refuse to recognize their absolute determination – that went beyond massive odds – NOT to give in to Serb or Communist domination, that they were NOT fascists, that they were totally focused ONLY in fighting for an independent Croatian state. So what does that mean? It means the government can continue to fool the world into believing the NDH victims were “fascists” killed by “a few revengeful liberators” and with these lies the mass murderers continue to escape justice and “democratic” commos stay in power (for life!) This is the ultimate REASON their huge sacrifice is not acknowledged. Croatia’s neo-communist government is supported in this subterfuge by manipulative foreign powers who are happy to use this blackmail over the Croatian public, in order to continue a century of control over the Croatian state to further their own interests.
It is true that people employed by the current government have erected a monument; they have written books about the terrible tragedy to their people; they made a special occasion for commemoration. But all of this is a big HYPOCRISY by which they are trying to win your trust and support. It cunningly camouflages the fact that NOWHERE have they given any credit to the NDH, nor any credit to those who died fighting for a free Croatia. All they have actually given them is PITY. And pity is an insult to the Croatian Armed Forces and their families, particularly when given by today’s UDBA and the descendents of the communists who murdered them.
Jurcevic’s book “Bleiburg” is a good example of the how the NDH, and the REASON for the deaths of its patriots, have been ignored. Last month a review was done of the book in Australia and the reviewer states that: “the title is misleading because it is more about the rise to power of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (CPY) during WWII, than about “Bleiburg”…the book gives a very detailed description of the formation and implementation of CPY police apparatus (later called UDBA).” The reviewer records that: “the Ustashi movement is not mentioned much at all except from the point of view that it was the other party in this conflict. There was nothing new in the book on the [British] conspiracy and there was no new information on Bleiburg and the Death Marches than we already know”.
Careful scrutiny of this, and other recent “Bleiburg” publications that have come from the same HDZ Government-sponsored sources (another is “Bleiburg Memento” by Jurcevic’s colleague Bozo Vukusic), reveal that firstly, huge tracts of information about the NDH are missing, and secondly, behind the words and photos (carefully chosen to please the unsuspecting majority of Croatian readers), there is a meticulously contrived vein of dis-information running through the books, which undermines the NDH and the Croatian Armed Forces – inferring that they were stupid, mis-guided followers of a small group of brutal idealists. Hence they are given PITY – not respect. At the same time the Communist Party are shown as intelligent victors in successfully obtaining Yugoslavia. Though some criticism is made against the partisans for brutal acts against the Croatian Armed Forces and innocent victims, this is shown as being done by so-called “elite” troops out of so-called “revenge by the liberators” for what was supposed to have been done to the partisans. [B]A lot of undeserved credit is given to the partisans and a big excuse for the cold-blooded murders they committed. The NDH is being eradicated from history and its diminished followers recognized only with pity. This is the true agenda of these books.
Jurcevic would have to know by now the truth about the numbers of the NDH military. But the truthful answer is contrary to government policy and the government pays his salary – and so presumably, for that reason, it was prudent for him not to answer the question. If he were truthful he would have gone against government policy, if he lied he would eventually be exposed – or made to appear a fool.
2) Prof. Michael McAdams has given considerable credit to John Ivan Prcela for his book "Operation Slaughterhouse" which he considers is “a definitive work on the Bleiburg Tragedy” and he also gave Prcela credit for organizing the first scientific symposium on the Bleiburg Tragedy in 1973. And yet in your book "Cuvari Bleiburske Uspomene” you omit giving credit to Prcela, as the principal speaker and organizer of that symposium in 1973.
AND THE TRUTH ABOUT THE NDH
by Suzanne Brooks-Pincevic
Croatian historian, Dr Josip Jurcevic, specialist in WWII “Bleiburg” history,
and guest on the Hrvati-Amac website in October 2005,
avoided answering seven “Bleiburg” questions.
A month before, viewers to the site were invited to submit questions for Dr Jurcevic to answer. By the end of September there were some 50 questions submitted by about 16 people. Amongst whom the writer was one. The writer’s six questions arrived about mid-way in the list, and because the writer’s questions were in English, most were translated at the end of the month into Croatian – not once, but twice, and so the writer’s questions appeared four times – twice in English and twice in Croatian.
Dr Jurcevic arrived on the website on 2nd October 2005 to answer the questions. He did not commence at the beginning, but instead answered the questions that came immediately after those of the writer. He answered all the questions to the end of the list. The following day he returned to the site and answered the rest of the questions that had preceded those of the writer, except for one. So, that one question, and the writer’s six, remained unanswered. A member of the site asked why Dr Jurcevic had omitted to answer the seven remaining questions? He was told that Dr Jurcevic intended to answer all of them and would return. That was over a month ago. To the writer’s knowledge Dr Jurcevic has since been reminded twice. Yet the questions still remain unanswered.
What is now more than obvious, is that Dr Jurcevic has deliberately avoided these seven questions. And not only is this rude but also his conduct is most unprofessional – given that any creditable historian welcomes a challenge, and the opportunity to discuss his theories. One is therefore compelled to ask WHY Dr Jurcevic has chosen not to answer the writer’s questions?
It cannot be because he has no time – a more than sufficient period has elapsed.
It cannot be because he is unable to read the questions – they were translated twice.
It cannot be because he did not notice them – they appeared four times.
It cannot be because he does not know the answers – he has a doctorate in this history.
Let us then have a look at those six questions, and as to why Jurcevic has found them a problem to answer:
1) How big numerically were the NDH Armed Forces and exactly how many divisions made up the domobrans and the ustasa?
A simple question any thorough researcher of this history would know. It was the simplest, but the MOST important, of all the 50 questions asked of Jurcevic, because the answer to THIS question opens the door to the REASON for the murder of over half-a-million patriotic Croats; whose fight was mainly an internal war against Serb and/or communist tyranny in their OWN land – NOT the world war being fought in the other countries around them. The NDH Armed Forces were a lot bigger and more efficient than the current government wants you to believe. This was why they were a threat to establishing another Yugoslavia and the reason why so many were slaughtered.
When the REASON for their death, and what they fought for, is ignored, how can respect be given? It cannot be given and it is NOT given. When this question is answered truthfully, it reveals that there were hundreds of thousands of Croats in the NDH who believed a free Croatia was worth fighting for – and THAT gives the Domobrans, the Ustasa, and the NDH regime the RESPECT they deserve. A truthful answer to this question shows WHY the communists massacred half-a-million people – it was so that communist Yugoslavia could exist.
This question was necessary, because noticeably almost all detail about the NDH has been avoided in the many books written recently by Jurcevic and his colleagues. Therefore there can be no doubt that these deliberate omissions adhere to a well-known newspaper adage – “what is not recorded did not happen”.
The truthful answer to this question would be: In all 19 divisions: Domobrans approximately 100,400 (43%). In all 19 divisions: Ustasas approximately 132,900 (57%). In total approx.233,300 (100%).
To this needs to be added the various infantry divisions still training in Germany just before the end of the war (eg: 369th Devils division, 373rd Tiger division, 392nd Blue division), plus the assisting branches MINORSA which included medical, educational and financial personnel, plus there was the Airforce, Navy and Rangers. Adding many more to the number – in fact well over 300,000 personnel at the END of the war.
BUT – of course, this large number goes against the current HDZ Government policy of minimizing the numbers who were in the NDH. The government wants us to believe there were only a few thousand, not hundreds of thousands, they want us to believe that the NDH was a non-entity, a non-state, that it virtually did not exist. They refuse to recognize their absolute determination – that went beyond massive odds – NOT to give in to Serb or Communist domination, that they were NOT fascists, that they were totally focused ONLY in fighting for an independent Croatian state. So what does that mean? It means the government can continue to fool the world into believing the NDH victims were “fascists” killed by “a few revengeful liberators” and with these lies the mass murderers continue to escape justice and “democratic” commos stay in power (for life!) This is the ultimate REASON their huge sacrifice is not acknowledged. Croatia’s neo-communist government is supported in this subterfuge by manipulative foreign powers who are happy to use this blackmail over the Croatian public, in order to continue a century of control over the Croatian state to further their own interests.
It is true that people employed by the current government have erected a monument; they have written books about the terrible tragedy to their people; they made a special occasion for commemoration. But all of this is a big HYPOCRISY by which they are trying to win your trust and support. It cunningly camouflages the fact that NOWHERE have they given any credit to the NDH, nor any credit to those who died fighting for a free Croatia. All they have actually given them is PITY. And pity is an insult to the Croatian Armed Forces and their families, particularly when given by today’s UDBA and the descendents of the communists who murdered them.
Jurcevic’s book “Bleiburg” is a good example of the how the NDH, and the REASON for the deaths of its patriots, have been ignored. Last month a review was done of the book in Australia and the reviewer states that: “the title is misleading because it is more about the rise to power of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (CPY) during WWII, than about “Bleiburg”…the book gives a very detailed description of the formation and implementation of CPY police apparatus (later called UDBA).” The reviewer records that: “the Ustashi movement is not mentioned much at all except from the point of view that it was the other party in this conflict. There was nothing new in the book on the [British] conspiracy and there was no new information on Bleiburg and the Death Marches than we already know”.
Careful scrutiny of this, and other recent “Bleiburg” publications that have come from the same HDZ Government-sponsored sources (another is “Bleiburg Memento” by Jurcevic’s colleague Bozo Vukusic), reveal that firstly, huge tracts of information about the NDH are missing, and secondly, behind the words and photos (carefully chosen to please the unsuspecting majority of Croatian readers), there is a meticulously contrived vein of dis-information running through the books, which undermines the NDH and the Croatian Armed Forces – inferring that they were stupid, mis-guided followers of a small group of brutal idealists. Hence they are given PITY – not respect. At the same time the Communist Party are shown as intelligent victors in successfully obtaining Yugoslavia. Though some criticism is made against the partisans for brutal acts against the Croatian Armed Forces and innocent victims, this is shown as being done by so-called “elite” troops out of so-called “revenge by the liberators” for what was supposed to have been done to the partisans. [B]A lot of undeserved credit is given to the partisans and a big excuse for the cold-blooded murders they committed. The NDH is being eradicated from history and its diminished followers recognized only with pity. This is the true agenda of these books.
Jurcevic would have to know by now the truth about the numbers of the NDH military. But the truthful answer is contrary to government policy and the government pays his salary – and so presumably, for that reason, it was prudent for him not to answer the question. If he were truthful he would have gone against government policy, if he lied he would eventually be exposed – or made to appear a fool.
2) Prof. Michael McAdams has given considerable credit to John Ivan Prcela for his book "Operation Slaughterhouse" which he considers is “a definitive work on the Bleiburg Tragedy” and he also gave Prcela credit for organizing the first scientific symposium on the Bleiburg Tragedy in 1973. And yet in your book "Cuvari Bleiburske Uspomene” you omit giving credit to Prcela, as the principal speaker and organizer of that symposium in 1973.