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parliament
04.12.2004., 09:26
Evo ja bih postavio dvije liste (top20). Jedna je subjektivna lista, koja je moja osobna lista i na kojoj se nalaze ploce koje bi isle sa mnom na pusti otok.
Druga lista je objektivna, tj. lista na kojoj se nalazi 20 albuma koji su must i bez kojih je svaki dalji razgovor o pop-glazbi izlisan.

Subjektivna lista:
1. Joe Zawinul-Dialects
2. Miles Davis-Complette Bitches Brew
3. Funkadelic-Maggot Brain
4. James Brown-Funk Power
5. Weather Report-Heavy Weather
6. Fela Ransome Kuti & Africa70-Expensive Shit
7. Parliament-Mothership Connection
8. The Meters-Rejuvenation
9. Robert Pete Williams-Free Again
10. The J.B.`s-Funky Good Time
11. Sly and the Family Stone-Stand
12. Johnny Guitar Watson-Funk Beyond the Call of Duty
13.Curtis Mayfield-Superfly
14.Charles Mingus-The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
15.Funkadelic-One Nation Under a Groove
16.Wayne Shorter-Native Dancer
17.Herbie Hancock-Secrets
18.Vicente Amigo-De mi corazon al aire
19.Outkast-Aquemeni
20.Plavi Orkestar-Soldatski bal
Objektivna lista:
1. Hüsker Dü-Zen Arcade
2. The Clash-The Clash
3. Talking Heads-Remain in Light
4. Captain Beefheart-Trout Mask Replica
5. Tom Waits-Rain Dogs
6. The Stone Roses-The Stone Roses
7. Ramones-Ramones
8. Pixies-Doolittle
9. David Bowie-The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust...
10.Gram Parsons-Grievous Angel
11.The Stooges-Raw Power
12.Television-Marquee Moon
13.Bob Marley-Natty Dread
14.Clash-London Calling
15.Dead Kennedys-Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables
16.Miles Davis-Kind of Blue
17.John Coltrane-A Love Supreme
18.Minutemen-Double Nickels On The Dime
19.Gang of Four-Entertainment!
20.Jimi Hendrix-Are You Experienced?

č.i.k.
04.12.2004., 10:04
ova druga lista uz male izmjene meni pravo subjektivna...

otO
04.12.2004., 10:32
parliament kaže:
Druga lista je objektivna, tj. lista na kojoj se nalazi 20 albuma koji su must i bez kojih je svaki dalji razgovor o pop-glazbi izlisan. steta samo sto ti na toj "objektivnoj" :rolleyes: listi uopce nema pop glazbe, osim po onom najsirem shvacanju. ne postoje objektivne liste albuma, glazba bas i nije nesto sto se moze egzaktno izmjeriti, jel.. ne da ti je lista losa, dapace, ali nije ono sto tvrdis.

Mr. Wrong
04.12.2004., 11:43
č.i.k. kaže:
ova druga lista uz male izmjene meni pravo subjektivna...

Totalno. Zamijeni "Entertainment!" "Solid Goldom", "Raw Power" "Funhousetom", "Remain in Light" "Fear of Musicom", i ove koje nisam nikad čuo/volio (Parsons, Hendrix, Coltrane, pa i Bowie, Miles, Beefheart, Marley) nekim ružnim pankerima, i eto men moje liste. :)

np Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros - Get Down Moses

Katatonični Dabar
04.12.2004., 11:51
parliament kaže:

Objektivna lista:


kaj Beatlesi smrde :flop: ?

parliament
04.12.2004., 11:54
Katatonični_Dabar kaže:
kaj Beatlesi smrde :flop: ?

Ma ne, "Revolver" na 23. mjestu.

parliament
04.12.2004., 12:12
Mr. Wrong kaže:
Totalno. Zamijeni "Entertainment!" "Solid Goldom", "Raw Power" "Funhousetom", "Remain in Light" "Fear of Musicom", i ove koje nisam nikad čuo/volio (Parsons, Hendrix, Coltrane, pa i Bowie, Miles, Beefheart, Marley) nekim ružnim pankerima, i eto men moje liste. :)


ok,
9. Bowie>Dag Nasty-Can I Say
10. Parsons>Richard Hell And The Voidoids-Blank Generation
13.Marley>Zeke-Kicked in the Teeth
16.Davis>The Damned-Damned3x
17.Coltrane>The Dictators-Go Girl Crazy!

Evo korak blize objektivnosti.
ps
Beefhearta ne dam ni za deset ruznih pankera:cool:

Rick Lee
04.12.2004., 12:13
a meni subjektivno=objektivno:D

1. Nirvana-in utero
2.at thedrive in- relationship of comand
3. Mars Volta- De-loused in comatorium
4. Queens of the stone age- s/t
5. Dismemberment plan-change
6.smashing pumpkins- mellocolie and infinite sadness
7. David Bowie-jebiga the singles collection
8. enon-high society
9. Gang of four-entertainment!
10. hot Hot Heat- make up the brakedown
11. rapture-echoes
12. soundgarden- down on the upside
13. jeff Buckley-grace
14. Chris Cornell-euphoria morning
15. Bright eyes- fevers and mirrors
16. notwist-neon golden
17. american music club- mercury
18. Joy division- permanent
19. Sonic Youth-dirty
20. Velvet underground-box set:)


eto to je mojih dvadeset a objektivne mi se ne da jer mi to nema smisla......ovo je za mene temelj za raspravu. naravno ne stanu svi u top dvadeset, jazzere sam namjerno zaobišao
e i legenda za ruzmijevanje mojih dvadeset za pusti otok.......ja spadam u one malobrojne koji smatraju da muzika nikad nije bila bolja nego što je danas

;)

Narantxa
04.12.2004., 12:34
najsubjektivnije moguće. jebo objektivno:
1. PiL - metal box
2. Fugazi - repeater
3. Stooges - raw power
4. The Clash - sandinista!
5. The Beatles - sgt pepper's lonely...
6. Sonic Youth - sister
7. Big Black - atomizer
8. Šarlo Akrobata - bistriji ili tuplji covek...
9. Dead Kennedys - plastic surgery disasters
10. Plavi Orkestar - soldatski bal
11. Zabranjeno Pušenje - dok čekaš sabah sa šejtanom
12. Gang Of Four - solid gold
13. Pixies - surfer rosa
14. Television - marquee moon
15. Talking Heads - remain in light
16. Slint - spiderland
17. Mirzino Jato - šećer i med
18. The Rolling Stones - exile on main street
19. Mr Bungle - california
20. Shellac - At Action Park

Mr. Wrong
04.12.2004., 13:04
Aj da probam i ja svoju (naravno, subjektivnu). Uh, ovo će biti teško.

Big Black - Lungs
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
Nomeansno - Wrong
Fugazi - 13 Songs ili The Argument; apsolutno nemoguće odlučiti
The Jesus Lizard - Shot
The Clash - prvi, američka verzija
Talking Heads - Fear of Music
Napalm Death - Scum
Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out
Dead Kennedys - Plastic Surgery Disasters
Why stakla - Daj, dođi!
Pixies - Bossanova
Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady
Shellac - At Action Park
Ramones - Road to Ruin
Gang of Four - Solid Gold
The Stooges - Fun House
Sonic Youth - Bad Moon Rising (kao jedan od objektivno najsavršenijih albuma koje sam ikada čuo) ili Goo (kao SY album koji najviše volim slušati)
New Bomb Turks - Destroy-Oh-Boy!!

Jebote, evo već dvadeset. Jab još dvaput toliko mjesta, pa bih možda i uspio sastaviti donekle mjerodavnu listu.

np Fugazi - Lockdown

PrittPen
04.12.2004., 14:47
jebo liste!

kasnije se možda potrudim... ali uglavnom stvari s mog bloga i 2. cede 3. boxa beatles anthology-a :D i mislim da bi si žile rezala kad bi morala birat između blonde on blonde i npr. john wesley hardinga... ili h61r ... ili između tomowa waitsova... i ostale punkerije .... ma jebo liste.

Katatonični Dabar
04.12.2004., 15:05
evo moje subjektivne, al ne da mi se do 20 pa ću do 10 :p



Cultosaurus Erectus - BlueOysterCult
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath/Sabotage - Black Sabbath (ne mogu se odlučiti između ta dva)
Cheap Thrills - Frank Zappa (mada je ovo live best of, ali savršen je... :cerek: )
No more shall we part - Nick Cave and TBS
Green Album - Weezer
The Capitol Albums Vol. 1 - Beatles (abeceda)
Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd
Rain Dogs - Tom Waits (bit će da je ovo neka konstanta)
Rum, Sodomy and the Lash - the Pogues
Imaginos - BlueOysterCult (najbolji hard rock album... ikada :s )

macphisto
04.12.2004., 15:23
Kupio bih si Apple iPod :)

tranquility
04.12.2004., 15:34
Slućajnim redoslijedom:
1. Sunshine – Velvet suicide
2. At- the drive in – Vaya ep
3. Firehose – Ragin´ full on
4. Dismemberment plan – Change
5. Modest mouse – Lonsome crowded west
6. The stooges – Raw power
7. Black flag – Jelaous again
8. Ramones – It´s alive
9. Modern lovers – S/t
10. Jimi Hendrix – BBC sessions
11. John Coltrane Quartet – Hm, uglavnom sve
12. Living daylights – 500 pound cat
13. Chick Corea – Return to forever
14. Marvin Gaye – What´s going on
15. Smashing pumpkins – Gish
16. Pink Floyd – Piper at the gates of dawn
17. Laddio bolocko – Hungarian agog +Inreal time ep´s
18. Fugazi – 13 songs
19. Joy division - Substance
20. Groundation – Hebron gate
21. Midnite – Ras mek peace
Valjda se tolerira jedan više. :)

Katatonični Dabar
04.12.2004., 15:52
macphisto kaže:
Kupio bih si Apple iPod :)


ja već jesam :trio:

cody
04.12.2004., 15:53
Ja ni s autom do grada ne idem s manje od 50 albuma ;)
Ne znam, ne mogu samo 20 najboljih albuma. Bar 50.

parliament
04.12.2004., 16:00
Pa ono, krenes kao da ces pedeset, pa stanes na dvadesetom;)

cody
04.12.2004., 16:05
Evo, stadoh na 20!

Au Pairs - playing with the different sex
Bats - daddy's highway
Beach Boys - pet sounds
Butthole Surfers - hairway to steven
Buzzcocks - singles going steady
Byrds - fifth dimension
Chills - kaleidoscope world
Curtis Mayfield - superfly
Dead Kennedy's - fresh fruit for rotting vegetables
Fugazi - 13 songs
Gang of Four - entertainment!
Gang of Four - solid gold
Go-Betweens - liberty belle and the black diamond express
Husker Du - new day rising
Husker Du - zen arcade
Jesus Lizard - goat
John Coltrane - giant steps
Joy Division - unknown pleasures
Love - forever changes
Marvin Gaye - let's get it on

č.i.k.
04.12.2004., 19:12
Mr. Wrong kaže:

The Jesus Lizard - Shot


:eek:

uz krasne prve tri ploče ti odabrao ovu...ajme

elwuss
05.12.2004., 09:21
č.i.k. kaže:
:eek:

uz krasne prve tri ploče ti odabrao ovu...ajme

meni isto zapelo za oko...e wronže:mad: :eek: :)

rabarbara
05.12.2004., 10:09
Nije direktan odgovor na temu, ali prije nekog vremena, potaknut pljačkom u susjednom ulazu, odlučio sam napraviti 4 mp3ja sa albumima koje NIKAKO ne bih volio da mi ukradu, i sklonio ih u podrum :). To ne znači da su najbolji, već da bez njih nisam mogao zamisliti život do sad, pa ne bih ni u budućnosti. Evo šta je na njima:

AT THE DRIVE-IN - Relationship of Command
FAITH NO MORE - Angel Dust
LARD - The Last Temptation of Reid
METALLICA - ...And Justice for All
MOTORHEAD - No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith
MINOR THREAT - Complete Discography
MOGWAI - Rock Action
SUICIDAL TENDENCIES - Suicidal Tendencies
TOOL - Aenima


BECK - Odelay
BULDOŽER - Izlog jeftinih slatkiša
CYPRESS HILL - Black Sunday
DÄLEK - From Filthy Tongue of Gods and Griots
FERUS MUSTAFOV - King Ferus
KRUDER & DORFMEISTER - The K&D Sessions Vol 1
STEVE REICH - Music for 18 Musicians
ŠARLO AKROBATA – Bistriji ili tuplji čovek biva kad...
WEEN - Chocolate and Cheese
ZVONKO BOGDAN - Pesme koje večno ostaju


BURT BACHARACH – The Best Of
CAN - Soon Over Babaluma
DAVID BOWIE - Sound and Vision
DAVID SYLVIAN - Secrets of the Beehive
HÜSKER DU - Flip Your Wig
JOHNNY CASH - Live at Folsom Prison/San Quentin
KRAFTWERK - The Man Machine
LEE SCRATCH PERRY - Marytime Hall Live
PIXIES, THE – Death to the Pixies
RAMONES - Leave Home
STOOGES, THE - The Stooges
ZAPPA/BEEFHEART/MOTHERS - Bongo Fury


LAIBACH – Kapital
LALI PUNA – Scary World Theory
LAMBCHOP - Nixon
M.WARD - Transfiguration of Vincent
MANIC STREET PREACHERS - Everything Must Go
MORPHINE - Cure for Pain
NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
RADIOHEAD - OK Computer
SONIC YOUTH - Daydream Nation
WRENS, THE - The Meadowlands

Mr. Wrong
05.12.2004., 11:18
č.i.k. kaže:
:eek:

uz krasne prve tri ploče ti odabrao ovu...ajme

Majku vam snopsku... Pa zar ni "Bad Moon Rising" nije dovoljan da pokrije ovo? :D

Ne, ozbiljno, men to savršen album. "Goat" i "Liar" jesu također remek-djela, al opet, "Head"... Mislim, je to Jesus Lizard, i je to super, al ipak je to Jesus Lizard kao dete. Ono, jebem ti album s takvim pjesmama da "Killer McHann" može doći na live set-listu. :rolleyes:

np Fugazi - Bad Mouth

PrittPen
05.12.2004., 12:28
cody kaže:
Evo, stadoh na 20!

Au Pairs - playing with the different sex
Bats - daddy's highway
Beach Boys - pet sounds
Butthole Surfers - hairway to steven
Buzzcocks - singles going steady
Byrds - fifth dimension
Chills - kaleidoscope world
Curtis Mayfield - superfly
Dead Kennedy's - fresh fruit for rotting vegetables
Fugazi - 13 songs
Gang of Four - entertainment!
Gang of Four - solid gold
Go-Betweens - liberty belle and the black diamond express
Husker Du - new day rising
Husker Du - zen arcade
Jesus Lizard - goat
John Coltrane - giant steps
Joy Division - unknown pleasures
Love - forever changes
Marvin Gaye - let's get it on

abecednim redom. :cerek:

cody
05.12.2004., 12:36
Pa, da, da se netko ne bi osjecao manje vrijednim.
Evo jos dvadeset:

Mercury Rev – yerself is steam
Minutemen – double nickels on the dime
Modern Lovers – modern lovers
Modest Mouse – the lonesome crowded west
My Bloody Valentine – loveless
Neil Young – on the beach
Neutral Milk Hotel – in the aeroplane over the sea
Nirvana – nevermind
Nomeansno – wrong
Orange Juice – you can't hide your love forever
Paraf – a dan je tako lijepo poceo
Pavement – slanted & enchanted
Pink Floyd – the piper at the gates of dawn
Pixies – doolittle
Pixies – surfer rosa
R.E.M. – murmur
Raincoats – raincoats
Ramones – rocket to russia
Replacements – let it be
Richard Hell & The Voidoids – blank generation

Katatonični Dabar
05.12.2004., 12:39
sad bi bio red da napišeš i zadnjih 10 :p

cody
05.12.2004., 12:56
Tko kaze da ih je jos samo 10?:p

Katatonični Dabar
05.12.2004., 13:02
pa dobro može i 20, čekamo :ceka:

parliament
05.12.2004., 15:02
PrittPen kaže:
abecednim redom. :cerek:

Sto li ce se sve desiti do: Zeke-"Kicked in the Teeth"? :klap:

grandpa the du du monkey
05.12.2004., 21:54
1. digable planets - reachin' (a new refutation of time and space)
2. miles davis - on the corner

ostalo abecednim redom:

beastie boys - check your head (kidao sam latice između ovoga i "ill communication")
curtis mayfield - superfly
dr. octagon - dr. octagonecologyst
frank zappa - absolutely free
fun lovin' criminals - 100% colombian
gang of four - entertainment!
luna - nestvarne stvari
my bloody valentine - loveless
nirvana - in utero
pixies - surfer rosa
public enemy - fear of a black planet
queens of the stone age - s/t
radiohead - amnesiac
sonic youth - daydream nation
the roots - do you want more?!!!??!
tool - aenima
ultramagnetic mc's - critical beatdown
velvet underground & nico - s/t

Katatonični Dabar
05.12.2004., 21:56
grandpa the du du monkey kaže:

fun lovin' criminals - 100% colombian


na ovaj sam zaboravio

:top:

dmj
05.12.2004., 22:13
To je promjenjivo, ali hajde da vidim kaj je vise-manje ziher (neke od ovih stvari imam samo na plocama, ne da mi se traziti tocne naslove):

Idoli - Odbrana i poslednji dani
Beatles - Bijeli album
Jacques Brel - Brel (plavi album, zadnji, snimljen neposredno prije smrti)
Philip Glass - Einstain on the beach
Les plus belles pages de la chanson Francais (fantasticna Philipsova kompilacija)
Neil Young - Sleeps with angels
Nick Drake - Time of no reply
Zagrebacki solisti s Antoniom Janigrom - 4 Vivaldijeva koncerta (fagot, oboa, cembalo, gudaci)
Los 3 geraceos do fado (Alfredo Marceneiro, Alfredo Duarte i Victor Duarte)
Blue Oyster Cult - Imaginos
Housemartins - London 0 Hull 4
Smak - istoimeni (zbog Bluesa u parku, jos bi bolja bila neka kompilacija)
Quilapayun - ne mogu se sjetiti naslova, mislim da je Dos Palomitas
Inti-Illimani - 2
Clash - Sandinista
Talking Heads - Little Creatures
Lacni Franz - V zivo
Azra - Ravno do dna
Manitoba - Up the flames
John Coltrane - Afro blue impressions

ups... vec sam na dvadeset, a tek sam poceo...

rutvica
05.12.2004., 23:19
pisanje objektivne liste top 20 albuma je pokušaj stvaranja znanosti od slušanja pop (rock, cock, whatever) glazbe. sve se fino izmjeri, kvalificira, kvantificira, imenuje i spremi u odgovarajuće ladice.
OK, nemam svih tih 20 objektivno najvažnijih albuma pa se sa mnom ne može razgovarati o pop glazbi (ma šta se uopće imam javljati na ovaj topic ?). srećom glazba nije da se o njoj razgovara, a forum je ionako zajebancija.
i da se ne bi krivo shvatilo, meni je ovaj topic simpa, nisam htjela izraziti neki pravednički bijes nad pokušajem pisanja liste, samo svoje mišljenje da je to nemoguće. a i opet me muči nesanica.

Dustflower
05.12.2004., 23:26
objektivne se ne usuđujem pisati, a subjektivni su nabrojani ovdje (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/6D87JVHJBCFO/ref=cm_aya_av.lm_more/102-1275888-6259342), ne nužno po redu.

Niten
06.12.2004., 21:39
vrak mati,nisam znao da se tom waits tolko sluša! mislio sam da sam jedini!:D družim se s krivim ljudima! :D

dmj
07.12.2004., 11:21
Je, i meni bi na malo prosireni top 20 uletjela Frank's Wild Years...

Public Enemy No1
07.12.2004., 12:58
20 albuma koje bi uzeo na pusti otok

1.battle of los angeles-rage against the machine
2.around the fur-deftones
3.in utero-nirvana
4.unplugged in new york-nirvana
5.live@liquid room,tokyo-jeff mills
6.boy in da corner-dizze rascal
7.illmatic-nas
8.ten-pearl jam
9.the chronic-dr.dre
10.no sikiriki-edo maajka
11.death certificate-ice cube
12.enter the wu tang-wu tang
13.nigga please-odb
14.ultimate experience-jimi hendrix
15.moment of truth-gang starr
16.black on both sides-mos def
17.erykah badu-live
18.atliens-outkast
19.dummy-portishead
20.mezzanine-massive attack

Wega
08.12.2004., 16:35
Hehe, skoro svaka lista ima punka :)

Mr. Wrong
08.12.2004., 19:48
Pa kad je pank dobar. :)

np Red Aunts - When Sugar Turns to Shit