Ahmadija - muslimanska zajednica u Hrvatskoj (pročitati uvodni post)

[MukaFFa]

[QUOTE=Ahmadija;49198369]1. he never take pilgrimage to Mecca
2. never visited medina and Jerusalim
3. establish khalifat beside khalifat(ottoman khalifat
4. not recognised by the ulema in Mecca (as is predicted) as Mahdi
5. any kind of meeting Isa and Mahdi didn't happen near Damascus
6. Founder of ahmadiyya movement never been in Damascus.
7. missed more than three friday prays in a row (Jumu'a salat and Hutbah)
8. not related to Muhammad s.a.v.s. he is not sa sayyid or sharif.
9. not related to house of David.

1. Even the prophet of Islam Muhammad (saw) was forbidden to visit Mecca. Circumstances did not allow him in spite of his extreme love for the Prophet of Islam. However his successors did visit Mecca and performed Haj.

welcome back!
Muhammad a.s. is not a "prophet of Islam" he is Resulallah. But he didn't visii the holiest place of islam, and yet he claimed that he is Mahdi

2. Same reply as for point 1.

he never visitet the holiest places of islam and christinanity because God has not determine that.
You realize that Hajj is obligation to all muslims. he had an oportunitiy, he had a funds but he didn't want to
do your math!

3. Ahmadija Khilafat is based according to teachings of Quran. Except for Khilafate Rashdia all were either rulers or kings on the name of Islam. It got politicised and not remained spiritual. So no parallel should be drawn with Ahmadija Khilafat with Ottoman or other Khilafat.

by the Qur'an and hadis establishing Khalif beside another khalif is ast of fitnah!

4. No group of Ulema is authorised to declare some one as Promised Messiah or Imam Mahdi. It is only God who has to decide. So no recognition is required.

as i know imama Mahdi will be recognised in Mecca by 313 alim's. Mahdi will be in Mecca in that time!

5 and 6. What for to Damascus? And why to have a meeting not understood.

Isa and Mahdi meeting will be near Damascus

7. Quote authentic reference.

here
"A. left the house only in fridays when thex vent to isolated mosque... There A. led the zuhr prayers"
this is obvious deviation from shariah

8. Why to have such bodily relationship. In religious world spiritual relationship gets priority.

partialy true. only bllod relation to a Muhammad a.s. is exception.
also Mahdi will be descendant of Muhammad thru his grand son Hussayn

9. Why should have relation ship.

blood relation to ahl bayt is confirmation of his truhtfulness given by the God.
that is sunatAllah. if not so anyone colud claimed that he is a Mahdi.
Mahdy must be, according to hadith, desecndant od muhammad a.s.

Please try to have some concrete observations.

that is a concrete facts.
in imam Mahdi will be conjoint spiritual and blood related tie. mr. Mirza don't have that so he cannot be imam Mehdi.
thrue imam Mahdi must fulfill all obligations(shahaddah, salat, fasting, zekaa anf hajj) but he didn't not so. so he can't be a Imam Mahdi.
thrue imam Mahdi must always be under sharia, mr. Mirza didn't fulfill jumua pray obligation more than three times and that is a serious deviation from sharia so he can't be Imam Mehdi.

because he never be in Mecca there can't be fulfilled a resulallah's prophecy thec Imam Mahdi will reveal his imamat in Ka'aba and he will be recognised by 313 scholars. so he can't be a Mahdy.

translation:
osnivač Ahmedija nije nikad posjetio najsvestija mjesta islama i kršćanstva iako tvdi da je on nasljednik i jednih i drugih.

u Imamu Mehdiju bit će objedinjena krvna i duhovna veza sa poslanikom Muhammedom a.s.. gdin Mirza to nema pa ne može biti Imam Mehdi
istinski Imam Mehdi će ispunjavati sve obaveze koje mu islam nalaže( svjedočenje Boga, Namaz, ramadanski post, davanje Zekata i hadždž) on to nije učinio pa tako ne može biti imam Mehdi.
Istinski Imam Mehdi će biti stalno pod šerijatom. neprisustvovanje podnevnoj molitvi petkom i slušanje Hutbe više od tri puta je propis koji ako se učini bez obravdanog razloga izvodi iz vjere- zako on ne može biti imam Mehdi.
pošto nije nikad bio u Mekki ne mogu se ispuniti riječi Muhammeda da će imam Mehdi svoj imamet objaviti oslonjen na zid Kabe i da će ga prepoznati 313 učenjaka. to se nije dogodilo i zato on ne može biti imam Mehdi.

[Palenholik]

Ahmadija kaže:

Please try to have some concrete observations.

I'll give it a shot... first of all I do not get how did you draw any line of similarities between our prophet Muhammad, p.b.u.h., and the other one?

Ahmadija kaže:

1. Even the prophet of Islam Muhammad (saw) was forbidden to visit Mecca. Circumstances did not allow him in spite of his extreme love for the Prophet of Islam. However his successors did visit Mecca and performed Haj.
2. Same reply as for point 1.

This one must be one huge deception and I am not aware from where does it come from. Is it lack of knowledge about the sira of prophet Muhammad, p.b.u.h., or intentional lying?

Muhammad began to prepare for a campaign. In 630, Muhammad marched on Mecca with an enormous force, said to number more than ten thousand men. With minimal casualties, Muhammad took control of Mecca. He declared an amnesty for past offences, except for ten men and women who were "guilty of murder or other offences or had sparked off the war and disrupted the peace". Wiki

I believe that it is enough to refute your claim that he Muhammad, p.b.u.h., did not at his life time enter in to the Mecca to perform Hajj pilgrimage since he was "was forbidden to visit Mecca".

NOTE: I am sorry I have just understood correctly what you wrote. But nevertheless Prophet, p.b.u.h., despite the difficulties managed to enter his beloved Mecca.

Ahmadija kaže:

3. Ahmadija Khilafat is based according to teachings of Quran. Except for Khilafate Rashdia all were either rulers or kings on the name of Islam. It got politicised and not remained spiritual. So no parallel should be drawn with Ahmadija Khilafat with Ottoman or other Khilafat.

Thank you for brief introduction to what is true khilafah and what is not entirely pure khilafah. But we are not talking about it here. If we just enter in to the shallow waters of khilafah definition we can easily spot than your ones is not according to Qur'an (which is silly definition if I may say, since khilafah definition does not purely relay on Qur'anic sources).

The Sunni branch of Islam stipulates that as a head of state, a caliph should be elected by Muslims or their representatives. Followers of Shia Islam, however, believe a caliph should be an Imam chosen by God (Allah) from the Ahl al-Bayt (the "Family of the House", Muhammad's direct descendents). Wiki

Following the death of Muhammad, a meeting took place at Saqifah. At that meeting, Abu Bakr was elected caliph by the Muslim community. Sunni Muslims developed the belief that the caliph is a temporal political ruler, appointed to rule within the bounds of Islamic law (Sharia). The job of adjudicating orthodoxy and Islamic law was left to Islamic lawyers, judiciary, or specialists individually termed as Mujtahids and collectively named the Ulema. Many Muslims call the first four caliphs the Rashidun meaning the Rightly Guided Caliphs, because they are believed to have followed the Qur'an and the sunnah (example) of Muhammad. Wiki

So basically your view of how Caliphate should be established is close to Shia's view of it (and in believing that God himself should intervene and choose who will speak and role in His name, it is near to christian catholic belief).

Ahmadija kaže:

4. No group of Ulema is authorised to declare some one as Promised Messiah or Imam Mahdi. It is only God who has to decide. So no recognition is required.

And what do we get? Theocracy? A ruler that can never be wrong since The God Himself has chosen and atoned him so how could he (the ruler) be wrong? And if he is caught to be wrong (when his actions are put in contrast with Qur'an an sunnah) he will get Revelation that allows him to do so... and that would be tyranny in name of The God! And no one could do anything about it, since they would raid against The God himself - right?

Ahmadija kaže:

5 and 6. What for to Damascus? And why to have a meeting not understood.

What for? Maaaaybe for this....

The Mahdi's tenure will coincide with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Isa), who is to assist the Mahdi against the Masih ad-Dajjal (literally, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist).[4] Jesus, who is considered the Masih (Messiah) in Islam, will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes with his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal, where Jesus will slay Dajjal and unite mankind. Sahih Muslim, 41:7023

Ahmadija kaže:

8. Why to have such bodily relationship. In religious world spiritual relationship gets priority.

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah. Abdullah ibn Ja'far said: I heard AbulMalih praising Ali ibn Nufayl and describing his good qualities. Sunan Abi Dawud 4284

And many narrations that indicates that The Mahdi will be related to Prophet Muhammad, p.b.u.h. Those ahadith are sahih according to Islamic scholars.

Many thanks and praise to Allah then thanks to commitment and hard work of our Islamic scholars it is easy to spot faked doctrine, prophet, teaching etc...

[MukaFFa]

poderali smo ga k'o mokre novine!

Selam Palenholik.

Džezakellahu hajr for support!

i Think that we cleared main facts why muslims can't recognise mr. Mirza as Imam Mahdi.
Perhaps christinas should celared why he can't be Jesus in any form!

[Palenholik]

MukaFFa kaže:

poderali smo ga k'o mokre novine!

Selam Palenholik.

Džezakellahu hajr for support!

We alejkumu selam we rahmetullahi we berekatuhu,
možda ko siroče napolitanku

Mah, Allah najbolje zna koliko ima koristi u ovoj raspravi... jednostavno ne mogu vjerovati da neko pored toliko jasnih izvora i tekstova može slijediti nečije prodavanje magle...

[MukaFFa]

what's up ahmadija?

the rest is silence

[MukaFFa]

I have another question(s)

Present khalifa and istitution of khalifah is in britain!?

The biggest ahmadiyya community is in Pakistan. why his residence is not among majority od folowers instead of being in UK?

his title is halifatul-Masih!
why halifatul masih when we, from the hadith, know that Isa will be folower od Muhammad and he will recognise Imam Mahi as khalifetur-Resulullah?
and don't you think that is a litlle bit absurd that Khalif need visa-card for hajj?

[MukaFFa]

MukaFFa kaže:

I have another question(s)

Present khalifa and istitution of khalifah is in britain!?

The biggest ahmadiyya community is in Pakistan. why his residence is not among majority od folowers instead of being in UK?

his title is halifatul-Masih!
why halifatul masih when we, from the hadith, know that Isa will be folower od Muhammad and he will recognise Imam Mahi as khalifetur-Resulullah?
and don't you think that is a litlle bit absurd that Khalif need visa-card for hajj?

prijevod. upitao sam ahmediju zbig čega je njihov halifa u Engleskoj kada je naveća zajednica ahmedija u Pakistanu. zar ne bi trebo dijeliti zajedno sa njima sudbinu svoga naroda?

zatim njegova titul aje halifa Mesiha/ tj nasljednik Mesiha.
zašto ta titula kada se u hadisima navodi da će Isa priznati imama Mehdija za halifu Resulullaha tj Muhammeda a.s..
na kraju pitao sam ga da ne midli da je pomalo apsurdno da halifa mora tražiti vizu kako bi obavio hadždž, jednu od 5 glavnih dužnosti muslimana?

[Ahmadija]

MukaFFa and Palenhoilk

Now you are two. I shall try once again briefly to explain both of you what is Ahmadiyyat. I shall take it slowly as I do not know how much space is allowed on this forum at one time. Any way we can start new discussion. Read the following text and if you have specific questions only on following text I shall reply only those. Later I can post next instalment of the text for your reading and so on we can continue. I shall humbly request to please refrain from dragging me in irrelevant questions. Google translation is also provided.

WHAT IS AHMADIYYAT?

Ahmadiyyat is a sect of Islam and not a new religion. Ahmadiyyat is a movement, entirely within the fold of Islam, meant to revive its true spirit and philosophy, to cleanse Islam of all superstitious and unnecessary beliefs and customs which had crept in over the past fourteen centuries, and, finally, to preach the religion of Islam to non-Muslims with the enthusiasm and zeal of the early Muslims.

The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam was founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India, in 1889. The followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad believe that he is the same Messiah and Mahdi whose coming was foretold by the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and was eagerly awaited by all Muslims. His followers call themselves Ahmadi Muslims, only to differentiate themselves from members of other Islamic sects, and strictly follow the orthodox religion of Islam.

As far as the fundamental beliefs or acts of worship are concerned, the Ahmadi Muslims have neither taken anything out nor added anything new to the religion of Islam. The Ahmadi Muslims make their declaration of faith by reciting the same Kalima which was recited by the Holy Prophet Muhammad himself; they say their Prayers and fast in the same manner as the Holy Prophet of Islam did; and their Qiblah, their Ka'ba, their Azan and their Quran are all exactly the same as that of the other Muslims.

DIFFERENCES WITH SUNNI MUSLIMS

There are basically three beliefs held by Ahmadi Muslims which separate them from the mainstream of Sunni Islam. These three beliefs concern:

o The finality of Muhammad's prophethood.

o Jesus Christ's ascension to heaven, and

o the identity of the Promised Messiah

These three areas of contention between Ahmadi and Sunni Muslims are briefly described below:

The Finality of Muhammad's Prophethood

In verse 41 of Surah al Ahzab, the Prophet Muhammad has been given the title of Khataman Nabiyyeen, the Seal of the Prophets. A majority of the Muslims interpret from this verse that the Holy Prophet Muhammad was chronologically the last Prophet and that no new Prophet can come after him. They also believe the phenomenon of prophetic revelation to be closed for ever.

According to the Ahmadi Muslims, the expression 'Seal of the Prophets' does not mean that the Holy Prophet is chronologically the last Prophet. A seal is a mark of distinction and, in this case, implies great perfection of prophethood. Ahmadis believe that the door to prophethood is always open. However, a new prophet after the Prophet Muhammad must be a follower of his and must be from within the fold of Islam. Ahmadi Muslims do believe that the Prophet Muhammad was the last law giving Prophet and that no new law giving prophet can come after him.

Jesus Christ's Ascension to Heaven

The Sunni Muslims believe that Jesus was not put on the cross and that his place was actually taken by someone who resembled him. Jesus, according to them, was physically raised to heaven.

Ahmadis believe that Jesus was indeed put on the cross, but only for a few hours. They believe that Jesus, after recovering from his wounds, traveled East to Kashmir where he died a natural death and remains buried in a tomb in Srinagar, in Mohallah Khanyar.

The Identity of the Promised Messiah

A majority of the Sunni Muslims believe that Jesus Christ himself will return one day as the latter day Messiah.

Ahmadi Muslims believe that since Jesus Christ has already died, it can only be someone else who can appear as the latter day Messiah. Ahmadis believe that this Promised Messiah has already come in the person of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad alaihisslam of Qadian.

These are the three important areas of contention between the Ahmadi and Sunni Muslims. In all other essential Islamic beliefs, the two groups hold more or less similar views.


ŠTO JE Ahmadijat ?

Ahmadijat jesekta islama , a nenova religija . Ahmadijat jepokret , posve u tor islama , trebao oživjeti svoj ​​pravi duh i filozofiju , očistiti islam od svih praznovjernih i nepotrebnih uvjerenja i običaja koji uvukao u proteklih četrnaest stoljeća , te , konačno , propovijedati religiju islama prema nemuslimanima s entuzijazmom i žarom od ranih muslimana .

Ahmadija pokret u islamu je osnovao Mirze Ghulam Ahmada iz Kadiana , Indija , 1889 . Sljedbenici Mirza Ghulam Ahmad vjerujem da jeista Mesija i Mehdi čiji dolazak je prorekao Svete poslanika Muhammeda , mir i blagoslov Allaha se na njega , te je s nestrpljenjem čekala po svim muslimanima . Njegovi sljedbenici sebe nazivaju Ahmadi muslimani , samo da bi se razlikovali od pripadnika drugih islamskih sekti , i strogo slijediti pravoslavne vjere islama .

Što se tiče temeljnih uvjerenja ili činovi obožavanja tiče, Ahmadi muslimani ne uzimaju ništa niti dodati ništa novo u vjeri islamu . Ahmadi muslimani čine njihovu izjavu o vjeri recitirajući isti Kalima koji se recituje Svetog proroka Muhameda sebe , oni se mole i brzo na isti način kao Poslanika islama je učinio i njihov Qiblah , njihov Ka'ba , njihova Azan i njihov Kur'an su svi isti kao da je od drugih muslimana .

Razlike s suniti

U osnovi postoje tri uvjerenja drže Ahmadi muslimana koji ih odvajaju od mainstream sunitskog islama . Ove tri uvjerenja zabrinutost:

okonačnost Muhammeda poslanstva .

Isuse Kristova uzašašća na nebo , te

oidentitetu Obećanog Mesije

Ta tri područja sukoba između Ahmadi i suniti ukratko su opisane u nastavku :

Pravomoćnost Muhammeda poslanstva

U stihu 41. suri Al Ahzab ,Poslanik Muhamed je dobila titulu Khataman Nabiyyeen , pečat poslanika . Većina muslimana tumače iz ovog stiha da jePoslanik Muhamed je vremenskiposljednji Poslanik i tu nema novog Poslanik može doći nakon njega . Oni također vjeruju da je fenomen proročke objave biti zatvorena zauvijek .

Prema Ahmadi muslimana ,izraz ' Pečat Proroka ' ne znači da jeČasni Poslanik je kronološkiposljednji Poslanik . Pečat jeznak razlikovanja i , u ovom slučaju , podrazumijeva veliku savršenstvo poslanstva . Ahmadi vjeruju da su vrata poslanstva je uvijek otvorena . Međutim ,novi prorok nakon proroka Muhameda mora bitisljedbenik njegove i mora biti unutar fold islama . Ahmadi muslimani vjeruju da jePoslanik Muhamed je posljednji zakon daje Poslanika i da nema novi zakon daje prorok može doći nakon njega .

Isusa Krista uzašašća na Nebo

U sunitski muslimani vjeruju da Isus nije bio stavljen na križ i da je njegovo mjesto zauzeo je zapravo netko tko ga je sličila . Isus je , prema njima , fizički je podignut na nebo .

Ahmadi vjeruju da je Isus doista bio stavljen na križ , ali samo na nekoliko sati . Oni vjeruju da je Isus , nakon što se oporavljao od svojih rana , putovao na istok do Kašmira , gdje je umro prirodnom smrću, a ostaje pokopan u grobnici u Srinagaru , u Mohallah Khanyar .

Identitet Obećanog Mesije

Većina suniti vjeruju da je i sam Isus Krist će se vratiti jedan dan kao i potonji dan Mesija .

Ahmadi muslimani vjeruju da je Isus Krist , jer je već umro , to može biti samo netko tko se može pojaviti kao potonjem dan Mesija . Ahmadi vjeruju da je taj Obećani Mesija već došao u osobi hazreti Mirza Ghulam Ahmad alaihisslam od Kadiana .

To su tri važna područja sukoba između Ahmadi i suniti . U svim drugim bitnim islamskih uvjerenja , dvije skupine imaju više ili manje slične poglede

[Ahmadija]

MukaFFa kaže:

I have another question(s)

Present khalifa and istitution of khalifah is in britain!?

The biggest ahmadiyya community is in Pakistan. why his residence is not among majority od folowers instead of being in UK?

his title is halifatul-Masih!
why halifatul masih when we, from the hadith, know that Isa will be folower od Muhammad and he will recognise Imam Mahi as khalifetur-Resulullah?
and don't you think that is a litlle bit absurd that Khalif need visa-card for hajj?

MukaFFA

Normally I do not indulge in personal traits and avoid offending any one. However from your questions it looks your knowledge on international affairs require polishing and updating.
In 1974 Mr Z A Bhutto PM of Pakistan, on the instigation of Saudi Monarch, got Ahmadija declared non Muslims from the national Assembly of Pakistan. For your information the instigator (King Faisal) got murdered by his relative and the main culprit Mr ZA Bhutto was hanged in Pakistan. (A sign of God support in favour of Ahmadija) In 1984 dictator Zia ul Haq enacted an ordinance in Pakistan where posing by an Ahmadija to be Muslim became an offence involving capitol punishment. He ordered freezing of all activities of Ahmadija Khilafat in Pakistan thus forced the 4th Khalifa of Community to migrate to UK where each religion enjoys freedom. (This dictator of Paksitan also got perished in an air accident an other proof for the truth of Ahamdija) For your information Ahmadija has belief that if some one is stopped to practice his faith in a country he or she should migrate to a country where religious freedom exists. This what prophet of Islam Muhammad (SAW) did and migrated to Medina.Sri Lanka, India and Indonesia also creating lot of problems for Ahmadija followers. KSA which follows the Wahhabi brand of Islam is deadly against Ahmadija. To me Balkan Muslims otherwise great people are also under influence of Saudi Monarch and Balkan Ulemaz blindly follows what Saudi say. If Balkan Muslim intellectual can use their own mind and brain they can very easily accept Ahmadija.

Khalifatul Rasoolullah is for Imam Mahdi and promised Messiah. His successors aught to be called after Messiah. That is why title is Khalifatul Masieh.

Saudi Government is deadly against Ahmadija. Even normal ordinary Ahmadija is not permitted to perform haj what to talk of Khalifa. You just can not enter any country without permission of the ruler. Being European National I coulde perform Umrah but with lot of fear and pain.
Normalno ja ne upuštati se u osobinama i izbjeći vrijeđanje bilo jedno . Međutim od vaših pitanja izgleda vaše znanje o međunarodnim poslovima zahtijevaju poliranja i ažuriranje .
Godine 1974 g. ZA Bhutto PM Pakistana , na nagovor Saudijskoj Monarch , dobio Ahmadija proglasio nisu muslimani iz nacionalne skupštine Pakistanu . Za tvoju informacijupoticatelj (King Faisal ) je ubijen od strane svog rođaka , a glavni krivac je gospodin ZA Bhutto je obješen u Pakistanu . (Znak Božje potpore u korist Ahmadija ) 1984 diktator Zia ul Haq donesen pravilnik u Pakistanu, gdje pozira strane Ahmadija biti musliman postaje kazneno djelo koje uključuje Capitol kaznu . On je naredio zamrzavanje svih aktivnosti Ahmadija halifata u Pakistanu čime prisilio četvrti Halifa od uniji seliti u Velikoj Britaniji gdje je svaka religija ima pravo na slobodu . ( Ovaj diktator PAKSITAN također dobio poginuo u zračnom nesrećedrugi dokaz za istinitost Ahamdija ) Za tvoju informaciju Ahmadija je uvjerenje da ako netko je prestao prakticirati svoju vjeru u nekoj zemlji on ili ona bi trebao seliti u zemlju u kojoj religijsko sloboda postoji. To što je Poslanik islama Muhammed ( SAW ) je i premješten na Medina.Sri Lanke , Indije i Indonezije također stvara puno problema za Ahmadija sljedbenika . KSA koji slijedi sljedbenici vehabizma brand islama je smrtonosna protiv Ahmadija . Za mene balkanskih muslimana inače veliki ljudi su također pod utjecajem Saudijskoj monarha i balkanskog Ulemaz slijepo slijedi ono što Saudijska reći . Ako Balkan muslimanski intelektualac može koristiti vlastiti um i mozak se može vrlo lako prihvatiti Ahmadija .

Halifatul Rasoolullah je za Imama Mahdija i obećao Mesiju . Njegovi nasljednici ma kako se zove , nakon Mesije . To je razlog zašto je naslov Halifatul Masieh .

Saudijska vlada je smrtonosna protiv Ahmadija . Čak i normalni obični Ahmadija nije dopušteno obavljati Haj što govoriti o Khalifa . Vi jednostavno ne može ući bilo koju zemlju bez odobrenja vladara . Budući da je Europska narodna sam coulde obavljati Umrah ali s puno straha i boli .

[MukaFFa]

Ahmadija kaže:

MukaFFa and Palenhoilk

Now you are two. I shall try once again briefly to explain both of you what is Ahmadiyyat. I shall take it slowly as I do not know how much space is allowed on this forum at one time.

i shall write slowly, perhaps you are not a fast reader

Any way we can start new discussion. Read the following text and if you have specific questions only on following text I shall reply only those. Later I can post next instalment of the text for your reading and so on we can continue. I shall humbly request to please refrain from dragging me in irrelevant questions. Google translation is also provided.

I'm not interested of your instalmenst. I'm interested of your answers on my questions

WHAT IS AHMADIYYAT?

Ahmadiyyat is a sect of Islam and not a new religion. Ahmadiyyat is a movement, entirely within the fold of Islam, meant to revive its true spirit and philosophy, to cleanse Islam of all superstitious and unnecessary beliefs and customs which had crept in over the past fourteen centuries, and, finally, to preach the religion of Islam to non-Muslims with the enthusiasm and zeal of the early Muslims.

same as wahabbi. but main difference is that you are a sect wahhabis not!

The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam was founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India, in 1889. The followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad believe that he is the same Messiah and Mahdi whose coming was foretold by the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and was eagerly awaited by all Muslims. His followers call themselves Ahmadi Muslims, only to differentiate themselves from members of other Islamic sects, and strictly follow the orthodox religion of Islam.

but he is not Imam Mahdi, simply imama Mehdi is descendant od Muhammad a.s.thru his grandson Husayn

As far as the fundamental beliefs or acts of worship are concerned, the Ahmadi Muslims have neither taken anything out nor added anything new to the religion of Islam. The Ahmadi Muslims make their declaration of faith by reciting the same Kalima which was recited by the Holy Prophet Muhammad himself; they say their Prayers and fast in the same manner as the Holy Prophet of Islam did; and their Qiblah, their Ka'ba, their Azan and their Quran are all exactly the same as that of the other Muslims.

who ask you about that?

DIFFERENCES WITH SUNNI MUSLIMS

There are basically three beliefs held by Ahmadi Muslims which separate them from the mainstream of Sunni Islam. These three beliefs concern:

o The finality of Muhammad's prophethood.

o Jesus Christ's ascension to heaven, and

o the identity of the Promised Messiah

These three areas of contention between Ahmadi and Sunni Muslims are briefly described below:

The Finality of Muhammad's Prophethood

In verse 41 of Surah al Ahzab, the Prophet Muhammad has been given the title of Khataman Nabiyyeen, the Seal of the Prophets. A majority of the Muslims interpret from this verse that the Holy Prophet Muhammad was chronologically the last Prophet and that no new Prophet can come after him. They also believe the phenomenon of prophetic revelation to be closed for ever.

According to the Ahmadi Muslims, the expression 'Seal of the Prophets' does not mean that the Holy Prophet is chronologically the last Prophet. A seal is a mark of distinction and, in this case, implies great perfection of prophethood. Ahmadis believe that the door to prophethood is always open. However, a new prophet after the Prophet Muhammad must be a follower of his and must be from within the fold of Islam. Ahmadi Muslims do believe that the Prophet Muhammad was the last law giving Prophet and that no new law giving prophet can come after him.

and mr. Miza is not complete folower of Muhammad because he never go to hajj.
he missed three Jumua prayers and hutbah in a row, and he didn't asz tawbah for that

Jesus Christ's Ascension to Heaven

The Sunni Muslims believe that Jesus was not put on the cross and that his place was actually taken by someone who resembled him. Jesus, according to them, was physically raised to heaven.

Ahmadis believe that Jesus was indeed put on the cross, but only for a few hours. They believe that Jesus, after recovering from his wounds, traveled East to Kashmir where he died a natural death and remains buried in a tomb in Srinagar, in Mohallah Khanyar.

The Identity of the Promised Messiah

Qur'al also says that he was uprised to a heaven- past tense where he awaits his nexf upcoming.
they cam belive that. but objective source of that claims iz only Kur'an and hadith and there is not a such thing in Kur'an and hadith

A majority of the Sunni Muslims believe that Jesus Christ himself will return one day as the latter day Messiah.

Ahmadi Muslims believe that since Jesus Christ has already died, it can only be someone else who can appear as the latter day Messiah. Ahmadis believe that this Promised Messiah has already come in the person of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad alaihisslam of Qadian.

do you have a proof that Isa is died?

These are the three important areas of contention between the Ahmadi and Sunni Muslims. In all other essential Islamic beliefs, the two groups hold more or less similar views.

Palenholik and me are cearly and briefly explained to you why, according to Qur'an and hadis, he can't be even a candidate for being Imam Mahdi
i will repeat.
he is not ahl-i-bayt, he never fulfill main obligations of islam, he didn' reveal his imamat in Kaba...

[MukaFFa]

Ahmadija kaže:

MukaFFA

Normally I do not indulge in personal traits and avoid offending any one. However from your questions it looks your knowledge on international affairs require polishing and updating.
In 1974 Mr Z A Bhutto PM of Pakistan, on the instigation of Saudi Monarch, got Ahmadija declared non Muslims from the national Assembly of Pakistan. For your information the instigator (King Faisal) got murdered by his relative and the main culprit Mr ZA Bhutto was hanged in Pakistan. (A sign of God support in favour of Ahmadija) In 1984 dictator Zia ul Haq enacted an ordinance in Pakistan where posing by an Ahmadija to be Muslim became an offence involving capitol punishment. He ordered freezing of all activities of Ahmadija Khilafat in Pakistan thus forced the 4th Khalifa of Community to migrate to UK where each religion enjoys freedom. (This dictator of Paksitan also got perished in an air accident an other proof for the truth of Ahamdija) For your information Ahmadija has belief that if some one is stopped to practice his faith in a country he or she should migrate to a country where religious freedom exists.

I knew that. but this is an exuse. he don't shere destiny of his people.
Arafar r.a. was always with palestinian people.
he has excuse not to be in Palestine!

This what prophet of Islam Muhammad (SAW) did and migrated to Medina.

ok why he is not in medina or Jerusalim? I belive Israel will gladly accept him!

Sri Lanka, India and Indonesia also creating lot of problems for Ahmadija followers. KSA which follows the Wahhabi brand of Islam is deadly against Ahmadija. To me Balkan Muslims otherwise great people are also under influence of Saudi Monarch and Balkan Ulemaz blindly follows what Saudi say. If Balkan Muslim intellectual can use their own mind and brain they can very easily accept Ahmadija.

that hind about balkan muslims is not true!
BOsnia iz Hanefi muslims, and we have a long tradition od Nakshibandi tariq. Same as pir Maher Ali k.s.

Khalifatul Rasoolullah is for Imam Mahdi and promised Messiah. His successors aught to be called after Messiah. That is why title is Khalifatul Masieh.

exuse!

Saudi Government is deadly against Ahmadija. Even normal ordinary Ahmadija is not permitted to perform haj what to talk of Khalifa. You just can not enter any country without permission of the ruler. Being European National I coulde perform Umrah but with lot of fear and pain.

you are not serious!
for your information muslims from Bosnia are continuosly performig hajj.

Allah is Tewwabur Rahim. He like ones who doing tawba.

[Ahmadija]

Palenholik kaže:

I'll give it a shot... first of all I do not get how did you draw any line of similarities between our prophet Muhammad, p.b.u.h., and the other one?


This one must be one huge deception and I am not aware from where does it come from. Is it lack of knowledge about the sira of prophet Muhammad, p.b.u.h., or intentional lying?

Muhammad began to prepare for a campaign. In 630, Muhammad marched on Mecca with an enormous force, said to number more than ten thousand men. With minimal casualties, Muhammad took control of Mecca. He declared an amnesty for past offences, except for ten men and women who were "guilty of murder or other offences or had sparked off the war and disrupted the peace". Wiki

I believe that it is enough to refute your claim that he Muhammad, p.b.u.h., did not at his life time enter in to the Mecca to perform Hajj pilgrimage since he was "was forbidden to visit Mecca".

NOTE: I am sorry I have just understood correctly what you wrote. But nevertheless Prophet, p.b.u.h., despite the difficulties managed to enter his beloved Mecca.


Thank you for brief introduction to what is true khilafah and what is not entirely pure khilafah. But we are not talking about it here. If we just enter in to the shallow waters of khilafah definition we can easily spot than your ones is not according to Qur'an (which is silly definition if I may say, since khilafah definition does not purely relay on Qur'anic sources).

The Sunni branch of Islam stipulates that as a head of state, a caliph should be elected by Muslims or their representatives. Followers of Shia Islam, however, believe a caliph should be an Imam chosen by God (Allah) from the Ahl al-Bayt (the "Family of the House", Muhammad's direct descendents). Wiki

Following the death of Muhammad, a meeting took place at Saqifah. At that meeting, Abu Bakr was elected caliph by the Muslim community. Sunni Muslims developed the belief that the caliph is a temporal political ruler, appointed to rule within the bounds of Islamic law (Sharia). The job of adjudicating orthodoxy and Islamic law was left to Islamic lawyers, judiciary, or specialists individually termed as Mujtahids and collectively named the Ulema. Many Muslims call the first four caliphs the Rashidun meaning the Rightly Guided Caliphs, because they are believed to have followed the Qur'an and the sunnah (example) of Muhammad. Wiki

So basically your view of how Caliphate should be established is close to Shia's view of it (and in believing that God himself should intervene and choose who will speak and role in His name, it is near to christian catholic belief).


And what do we get? Theocracy? A ruler that can never be wrong since The God Himself has chosen and atoned him so how could he (the ruler) be wrong? And if he is caught to be wrong (when his actions are put in contrast with Qur'an an sunnah) he will get Revelation that allows him to do so... and that would be tyranny in name of The God! And no one could do anything about it, since they would raid against The God himself - right?


What for? Maaaaybe for this....

The Mahdi's tenure will coincide with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Isa), who is to assist the Mahdi against the Masih ad-Dajjal (literally, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist).[4] Jesus, who is considered the Masih (Messiah) in Islam, will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes with his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal, where Jesus will slay Dajjal and unite mankind. Sahih Muslim, 41:7023

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah. Abdullah ibn Ja'far said: I heard AbulMalih praising Ali ibn Nufayl and describing his good qualities. Sunan Abi Dawud 4284

And many narrations that indicates that The Mahdi will be related to Prophet Muhammad, p.b.u.h. Those ahadith are sahih according to Islamic scholars.

Many thanks and praise to Allah then thanks to commitment and hard work of our Islamic scholars it is easy to spot faked doctrine, prophet, teaching etc...

Dragi Palenholik i Mukaffa
Umjesto uživanja u toliko trivijalnim pitanjima samo razmisli o jednoj stvari . Bog u Časnom Kur'anu , suri Al Haqqa ( 69 ) stihu 45-47 ) vrlo jasno pripovijeda itko tvrdi od Boga , ako se pokazao uljez je zaklana od Boga . Stih 47. jasno kaže: " A je li bi ste prekinuli svoju životnu arteriju " Sada Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ( as) čini zahtjev u 1889 . On je umro prirodnom smrću . Njegova zajednica dobiva procvjetao svaki dan i do danas na čelu s njegovim duhovnim nasljednicima . Sada je prisutno u jednom ili drugom obliku u 204 zemalja svijeta . Posluživanje uzrok islama na najbolji mogući način . U Njemačkoj se to malena zajednica ( samo 40 tisuća ) je izgradila više od 40 novih odgovarajuće džamije u odnosu na turske muslimanske zajednice s 4 milijuna stanovnika . U 74 jezika je preveo Kur'an .
U Indiji, gdje je napravio ovu tvrdnju , kasnije u Pakistanu gdje je napravio svoje sjedište i usprkos cijelom muslimanskom Uma protiv njega zato što je napreduje ? Velike sile su svjetovni kršćani zašto se njezin glas nije strangulated . Zašto to ne bi nestao . To je gotovo sada 123 godina . Imate li kakav takav primjer gdje je netko otvoreno tvrdi da je Imam Mehdi i Mesija i napreduje . Samo razmisli o tom pitanju s iskrenom srcu automatski će se govoriti da je Ahmadija jeistina i svijet je dužan da ga prihvate kao Svemogući Bog poslao Imam Mehdi i Mesija .

Dear Palenholik and Mukaffa
Instead indulging in so many trivial issues just ponder on one point. God in Holy Quran, Sura Al Haqqa(69) verse 45-47) very clearly narrates any one claiming from God if proved to be impostor is slaughtered by God. Verse 47 clearly says "And sure would have severed his life artery" Now Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) makes a claim in 1889. He dies a natural death. His community gets flourished every day and until today led by his spiritual successors. Now it is present in one or other form in 204 countries of the world. Serving the cause of Islam in best possible way. In Germany this tiny community (just 40 thousands) has constructed more that 40 new proper mosques relative to Turkish Muslim Community with 4 millions population. In 74 languages it has translated the Holy Quran.
In India where this claim was made, later in Pakistan where it made its headquarter and in spite of whole Muslim Uma against it why it is progressing? Big worldly powers are Christians why its voice is not strangulated. Why it does not get vanished. It is almost now 123 years. Do you have any such example where some one is openly claiming to be Imam Mahdi and Messiah and is progressing. Just ponder on this point with honest heart it will automatically speak that Ahmadija is a truth and world is bound to accept it as Almighty God has sent the Imam Mahdi and Messiah.

[Ahmadija]

MukaFFA
that hind about balkan muslims is not true!
BOsnia iz Hanefi muslims, and we have a long tradition od Nakshibandi tariq. Same as pir Maher Ali k.s.
Read Quran very carefully. It is full of such excuses. When ever any messenger of God came the existing lot of people always offered this excuse that since our forefathers are following a way why we should change our existing way and listen to you. As long Imam Mahdi did not come Muslim continued various Tariq. Be it Nakshbandi or Pir Mehr Ali. After the arrival of Imam Mahdi all tariqs must be stopped and that of Imam Mahdi be followed. This is what Muhammad Rasulallah (saw) said that when Imam Mahdi appears recognize him and pay him my Salam also. Ahmadija also follows Fiqah Hanfia.
Ordinary Bosnian Muslim perform Haj as Muslims. There are many Bosnian Ahmadi Muslims and if declare they are Ahmadija Muslims get in to trouble. You should know situation in your country.
Vrlo pažljivo pročitati Kur'an. To je pun takvih izgovora. Kad god bilo Božiji došao postojeće puno ljudi uvijek ponudio ovaj izgovor da budući da su naši preci slijedeći način zašto moramo promijeniti naš postojeći način i slušati vas. Dokle Imam Mehdi nije došao musliman nastavio razne Tarik. Bilo da je Nakshbandi ili Pir Mehr Ali. Nakon dolaska Imama Mahdija svi tariqs mora biti zaustavljen i da je Imama Mahdija treba slijediti. To je ono što Muhammed Rasulallah (saw), rekao je da kad se pojavi Imam Mehdi prepoznaju ga i platiti mu moj Salam također. Ahmadija također slijedi Fiqah Hanfia.
Obična bosanski muslimani obavljaju Haj kao Muslimani. Postoje mnoga bosanska Ahmadi muslimani, a ako Objavite su Ahmadija muslimani dobiti u nevolji. Trebali bi znati situaciju u svojoj zemlji.

[Ahmadija]

MukaFFA i Holenpalik

Pogledajte kako Islam je degradiran od strane onih koji bi trebali štititi svoje lijepe učenja .

Nedavno ,Vijeće islamsku ideologiju u Pakistanu ( CII ) donijela je odluku da se " pakistanske zakone koji zabranjuju brak malodobne djece su neislamske , te da je, prema islamu , ne postoji minimalna dob braka . Međutim ,Rukhsati ( konzumacija braka ) je dozvoljeno samo u slučaju da su i muž i žena su u pubertetu . Nadalje , pod šerijat ,čovjek nije dužan zatražiti odobrenje za drugi brak s prvom suprugom , " izjavio je glasnogovornik . Što je roranski vidikovac ispitati slijedeće .

Kur'an izjednačava dobi za sklapanje braka u zrele i zdrave prosudbe :

" I testirati siročad [ u vašem zadužen ] dok ne dođete do dobi za sklapanje braka , onda , ako vam ih biti zrela uma / zvuk u presudi , predati im svoje posjede ... " ( Kur'an , 04:06 )

Molimo da obratite pozornost ovdje . Dobi za sklapanje braka je izjednačen na zvuk presudu ,dob u kojojosoba može odgovorno nositi svoje posjede . Za Boga miloga , ne kažem daosoba koja je zvuk u presudi u tenderskoj dobi od , recimo , 12 godina ?

To je nelogično pretpostaviti da je12 godina star dijete ima zrele intelektualnu razinu . Uostalom , tih godina su značilo da sekrivulja učenja za dijete :ključno vrijeme u kojemdijete oblikuje cijelu njegovu osobnost , istražujući različite paradigme i postizanje vrijedno iskustvo na životu . Poduzimanje takvu veliku odgovornost će uvelike utjecati na dijete psihički , jer će biti uskraćeni za prostor i vrijeme potrebno proći osobnu promjenu i otkrijte sami .

Poligamija je samo da se prakticira u iznimnim slučajevima :

" Ako se bojite da nećete biti samo / jednakopravni siročadi , onda se udati kao dopuštena za vas , žene , dva, tri ili četiri . No, ako se bojite da nećete biti pravedni, onda samo jedno , ili kome ste počinili na zakletvom . To je bolje , tako da ne odstupaju od pravi put " . ( Kur'an , 4:3)

Bez ulaženja u previše detalja , što je vidljivo iz ovog stiha da poligamija ne smije zadovoljiti seksualne požude muškaraca . To se može prakticirati samo u slučaju brigu o siročadi ( udaje svoje majke ) .

Štoviše ,stih naglašava se na činjenici da su svi žene moraju dobiti pravednu i pravedan tretman , u rijetkom slučaju poligamiju . Akobi čovjek bio oženiti drugu ženu bez dobivanja suglasnosti svoje prve supruge , kako na zemlji može se to zove pravda ? Pravda je služio samo kada su obje strane ga primiti . " No, ako se bojite da nećete biti pravedni, onda samo jedan ... "
MukaFFA and Holenpalik

See how Islam is degraded by those who are supposed to protect its beautiful teachings.

Recently, The Council of Islamic Ideology in Pakistan (CII) passed a ruling that “Pakistani laws prohibiting marriage of underage children are un-Islamic, and that according to Islam, there is no minimum age of marriage. However, the Rukhsati (consummation of marriage) is allowed only in the case that both husband and wife have reached puberty. Furthermore, Under shariah, a man is not bound to seek approval for second marriage from the first wife,” declared the spokesperson. What is Koranic view point examine following.

The Quran equates marriageable age to a mature and sound judgment:

“And test the orphans [in your charge] until they reach a marriage­able age; then, if you find them to be mature of mind/sound in judgment, hand over to them their possessions…” (Quran, 4:6)

Please pay close attention here. Marriageable age is equated to sound judgment; an age in which a person can responsibly handle their possessions. For heaven’s sake, do not tell that a person is sound in judgment at the tender age of, say, 12?

It is illogical to assume that a 12 year old child has a mature intellectual level. After all, those years are meant to be a learning curve for the child: a crucial time in which a child shapes his whole personality by exploring different paradigms and attaining valuable experience on life. Undertaking such a huge responsibility would greatly affect the child psychologically, as they would be deprived of the time and space required to undergo a personal change and discover themselves.

Polygamy is only to be practiced in exceptional cases:

“If you fear that you will not be just/equitable to the orphans, then marry as permissible for you, women, two, three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then only one, or to whom you are committed to by oath. That is better so that you do not deviate from the right course”. (Quran, 4:3)

Without getting into too much detail, it is obvious from this verse that polygamy is not allowed to satisfy sexual lusts of men. It can only be practiced in the case of taking care of orphans (by marrying their mothers).

Moreover, the verse emphasizes on the fact that all wives must get a just and equitable treatment, in the unusual case of polygamy. If a man were to marry another woman without getting the consent of his first wife, how on earth can you call that justice? Justice is only served when both parties receive it. “But if you fear that you will not be just, then only one…”

[MukaFFa]

Ahmadija kaže:

Dear Palenholik and Mukaffa
Instead indulging in so many trivial issues just ponder on one point.

Ok we are indulging, but you are avoiding of giving celar answers. God in Holy Quran, Sura Al Haqqa(69) verse 45-47) very clearly narrates any one claiming from God if proved to be impostor is slaughtered by God. Verse 47 clearly says "And sure would have severed his life artery"

those ajats reffer to a Muhammad a.s.
teqawwele is 3rd person masculine singular (not plural) verb

Now Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) makes a claim in 1889. He dies a natural death.

i don't want to talk about him. My intention is not to insult you or him, betu you may think that i'm doing that. but I appoint
this.
He had 54 yrs. Muhammed a.s. Get revelation in 40. year. His community gets flourished every day and until today led by his spiritual successors.
flourishing!? that is far away from folurishing. There is more wahabis than ahamdis

Now it is present in one or other form in 204 countries of the world.

ahamdi population is about same size of church of scientology
Derek Davis stated in 2004 that the Church organization has around 15 million members worldwide. 15 milions in just 60 yrs.

Serving the cause of Islam in best possible way. In Germany this tiny community (just 40 thousands) has constructed more that 40 new proper mosques relative to Turkish Muslim Community with 4 millions population. In 74 languages it has translated the Holy Quran.

if you say so!

In India where this claim was made, later in Pakistan where it made its headquarter and in spite of whole Muslim Uma against it why it is progressing? Big worldly powers are Christians why its voice is not strangulated. Why it does not get vanished. It is almost now 123 years. Do you have any such example where some one is openly claiming to be Imam Mahdi and Messiah and is progressing. Just ponder on this point with honest heart it will automatically speak that Ahmadija is a truth and world is bound to accept it as Almighty God has sent the Imam Mahdi and Messiah.

i will repat he is not ahl-i-bayt so he can't be a mahdi. Ih islam was incomplete because he never goes to Hajj. Mahdi is going to be a complete muslim!

[MukaFFa]

Ahmadija kaže:

MukaFFA

Read Quran very carefully.

i read it more carefuly thay you!

It is full of such excuses. When ever any messenger of God came the existing lot of people always offered this excuse that since our forefathers are following a way why we should change our existing way and listen to you. As long Imam Mahdi did not come Muslim continued various Tariq. Be it Nakshbandi or Pir Mehr Ali. After the arrival of Imam Mahdi all tariqs must be stopped and that of Imam Mahdi be followed.

surley but that oredr will came in two ways zahiri and batini.
first shayks will recive emrullah and second, Mahdi will reveal in public. All shayks will kiss the hand of imam Mahdi.
He will unite all 12 tarikats

This is what Muhammad Rasulallah (saw) said that when Imam Mahdi appears recognize him and pay him my Salam also.

those shayks will do that when he revelas in Mecca

Ahmadija also follows Fiqah Hanfia.

it's propper to say that amhmadija are based on hanefi fiqh

Ordinary Bosnian Muslim perform Haj as Muslims. There are many Bosnian Ahmadi Muslims and if declare they are Ahmadija Muslims get in to trouble. You should know situation in your country.

ahmadi comunity in bosnia is insiginificant.
to go on the Hajj from Bosnia you need a some kind of certificate that you are member of islamic comunity of Bosnia and Herzegowina.
only ahmadis from bosnia who are not a memeber of islamic comunity can't get this certificate.
only 25 yrs ago. in bosnia was only hanefi muslims, durign and afert the war some grupations like shias, wahabi and ahmedis showed up. the main reason whay they are still here is economical.

otoman empire was in bosnia about 600 yrs and from them we embraced only islam. We even don't have turkish names we have arabic names in 600 yrs we didn't want to learn or speak turkish language.

try to imagine what will happen if you cut the funds and leave them on their own?

imagine in meiddle ages in bosnia was heresy and Rome sent delegation to Bosnia. and all bosnian people embrace christianity in front of them. soon as they leave bosnia we continue to what we are.

Imam Mahdi Inshallah will be a true leader of muslims and he will unite us all!

for the end ayat with 33 beautiful hurufs
And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."17:81

[MukaFFa]

Ahmadija kaže:

MukaFFA i Holenpalik

Pogledajte kako Islam je degradiran od strane onih koji bi trebali štititi svoje lijepe učenja .

Nedavno ,Vijeće islamsku ideologiju u Pakistanu ( CII ) donijela je odluku da se " pakistanske zakone koji zabranjuju brak malodobne djece su neislamske , te da je, prema islamu , ne postoji minimalna dob braka . Međutim ,Rukhsati ( konzumacija braka ) je dozvoljeno samo u slučaju da su i muž i žena su u pubertetu . Nadalje , pod šerijat ,čovjek nije dužan zatražiti odobrenje za drugi brak s prvom suprugom , " izjavio je glasnogovornik . Što je roranski vidikovac ispitati slijedeće .

Kur'an izjednačava dobi za sklapanje braka u zrele i zdrave prosudbe :

" I testirati siročad [ u vašem zadužen ] dok ne dođete do dobi za sklapanje braka , onda , ako vam ih biti zrela uma / zvuk u presudi , predati im svoje posjede ... " ( Kur'an , 04:06 )

Molimo da obratite pozornost ovdje . Dobi za sklapanje braka je izjednačen na zvuk presudu ,dob u kojojosoba može odgovorno nositi svoje posjede . Za Boga miloga , ne kažem daosoba koja je zvuk u presudi u tenderskoj dobi od , recimo , 12 godina ?

To je nelogično pretpostaviti da je12 godina star dijete ima zrele intelektualnu razinu . Uostalom , tih godina su značilo da sekrivulja učenja za dijete :ključno vrijeme u kojemdijete oblikuje cijelu njegovu osobnost , istražujući različite paradigme i postizanje vrijedno iskustvo na životu . Poduzimanje takvu veliku odgovornost će uvelike utjecati na dijete psihički , jer će biti uskraćeni za prostor i vrijeme potrebno proći osobnu promjenu i otkrijte sami .

Poligamija je samo da se prakticira u iznimnim slučajevima :

" Ako se bojite da nećete biti samo / jednakopravni siročadi , onda se udati kao dopuštena za vas , žene , dva, tri ili četiri . No, ako se bojite da nećete biti pravedni, onda samo jedno , ili kome ste počinili na zakletvom . To je bolje , tako da ne odstupaju od pravi put " . ( Kur'an , 4:3)

Bez ulaženja u previše detalja , što je vidljivo iz ovog stiha da poligamija ne smije zadovoljiti seksualne požude muškaraca . To se može prakticirati samo u slučaju brigu o siročadi ( udaje svoje majke ) .

Štoviše ,stih naglašava se na činjenici da su svi žene moraju dobiti pravednu i pravedan tretman , u rijetkom slučaju poligamiju . Akobi čovjek bio oženiti drugu ženu bez dobivanja suglasnosti svoje prve supruge , kako na zemlji može se to zove pravda ? Pravda je služio samo kada su obje strane ga primiti . " No, ako se bojite da nećete biti pravedni, onda samo jedan ... "
MukaFFA and Holenpalik

See how Islam is degraded by those who are supposed to protect its beautiful teachings.

Recently, The Council of Islamic Ideology in Pakistan (CII) passed a ruling that “Pakistani laws prohibiting marriage of underage children are un-Islamic, and that according to Islam, there is no minimum age of marriage. However, the Rukhsati (consummation of marriage) is allowed only in the case that both husband and wife have reached puberty. Furthermore, Under shariah, a man is not bound to seek approval for second marriage from the first wife,” declared the spokesperson. What is Koranic view point examine following.

The Quran equates marriageable age to a mature and sound judgment:

“And test the orphans [in your charge] until they reach a marriage­able age; then, if you find them to be mature of mind/sound in judgment, hand over to them their possessions…” (Quran, 4:6)

Please pay close attention here. Marriageable age is equated to sound judgment; an age in which a person can responsibly handle their possessions. For heaven’s sake, do not tell that a person is sound in judgment at the tender age of, say, 12?

It is illogical to assume that a 12 year old child has a mature intellectual level. After all, those years are meant to be a learning curve for the child: a crucial time in which a child shapes his whole personality by exploring different paradigms and attaining valuable experience on life. Undertaking such a huge responsibility would greatly affect the child psychologically, as they would be deprived of the time and space required to undergo a personal change and discover themselves.

Polygamy is only to be practiced in exceptional cases:

“If you fear that you will not be just/equitable to the orphans, then marry as permissible for you, women, two, three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then only one, or to whom you are committed to by oath. That is better so that you do not deviate from the right course”. (Quran, 4:3)

Without getting into too much detail, it is obvious from this verse that polygamy is not allowed to satisfy sexual lusts of men. It can only be practiced in the case of taking care of orphans (by marrying their mothers).

Moreover, the verse emphasizes on the fact that all wives must get a just and equitable treatment, in the unusual case of polygamy. If a man were to marry another woman without getting the consent of his first wife, how on earth can you call that justice? Justice is only served when both parties receive it. “But if you fear that you will not be just, then only one…”

irrelevant for this subject!

probably someone give you advice to do that! i mean this.
there is a joke in bosnia.

A men drives in the public bus.
and driver say:
- Ticket!
- Tree!- a man replayed
- What tree?- ask him a driver with suprise in his eyes
- What ticket!? -


get it?

[MukaFFa]

i must say I'm praud
i tell a joke in english
pigdeon english but still in english

[Ahmadija]

Dragi MukaFFA

" Ti shacks će to učiniti kada se otkriva u Mekki " .

Za mene je to tako dobro kao što je ispričao vic . Nadam se da je dobio neki obrazovanje , a ne samo iz nekog medresa . Postoji jedan pojam poznat metaforički . Imati u dubini proučavanje ovog pojma da ga razumiju .
Nekoliko godina jedan čovjek pojavio na krovu Kabe i tvrdio da je Imam Mehdi silazi s neba . S u nekoliko sati ovaj Mahdi oborila saudijske policije . Sudanic Mahdi Ista je sudbina snašla . Nikada u povijesti čovječanstva tko je otišao u nebo s ovim tijelom i nikad ikad bilo kojem će se s ovim tijelom s neba .
Imaju neke logike . Što god se spominje u Bibliji, Kur'anu i hadisima sve mora tumačiti logično . To je ono što musliman Uma ne može razumjeti . Stari je Isus susreo prirodnom smrću . Imam Mehdi i Mesija mora doći iz muslimanskog Uma i on je jedan osobnost ima dvije kape . Prije toga on je ostao poznat će se pojaviti u 14. stoljeću islamske . To je prošlo sada ulazimo 16. stoljeća islamski . Napišite to neki gdje . Imat ćete svoj ​​život , sljedeća generacija će doći i onda sljedeći i tako dalje . Nitko neće sići s neba . Vi ste dobili poruku o Imama Mahdija . Na dan presude ne može poreći o ovoj poruci . Ja mogu samo moliti Boga može voditi vas na pravom putu . Amin
Dear MukaFFA

"Those shacks will do that when he reveals in Mecca".

To me this is as good as you narrated the joke. Hope you got some education and not only from some Madrasah. There is one term known metaphorical. Have in depth study of this term to understand it.
Few years back one man appeared on the roof of Kaaba and claimed to be Imam Mahdi coming down from heaven. With in few hours this Mahdi was shot down by Saudi police. Sudanic Mahdi met the same fate. Never ever in the history of mankind any one has gone to heaven with this body and never ever any one will come with this body from heaven.
Have some logic. What ever is mentioned in Bible, Quran and Hadith all has to be interpreted logically. This is what Muslim Uma is unable to understand. Old Jesus met natural death. Imam Mahdi and Messiah has to come from Muslim Uma and he is one personality having two hats. Previously it remained famous will appear in 14th Islamic century. It passed now we are entering 16th Islamic century. Write it some where. You will have your life, next generation will come and then next and so on. No one is going to descend from heaven. You have been given a message about Imam Mahdi. On the day of judgment you can not deny about this message. I can only pray God may guide you on the right path. Amin.

[MukaFFa]

Ahmadija kaže:

Dragi MukaFFA

"Those shacks will do that when he reveals in Mecca".

I'm not sure what you mean by “thoose shack”!

To me this is as good as you narrated the joke. Hope you got some education and not only from some Madrasah. There is one term known metaphorical. Have in depth study of this term to understand it.

You are quite demanding... fist you suggest to read Qur'an carefully now you want "depth study"
As I know there can't be a contradiction between various interpretations about Qur'an text. If that happens usually metaphorical meaning is wrong.
This is Meselah and it can be changed thru a time!

Few years back one man appeared on the roof of Kaaba and claimed to be Imam Mahdi coming down from heaven. With in few hours this Mahdi was shot down by Saudi police. Sudanic Mahdi met the same fate. Never ever in the history of mankind any one has gone to heaven with this body and never ever any one will come with this body from heaven.

so in your opinion Isra and Miraj never happen by Muhammad a.s.?
Adam a.s. never come down from heaven to earth...
cool!

Have some logic. What ever is mentioned in Bible, Quran and Hadith all has to be interpreted logically. This is what Muslim Uma is unable to understand.

oh!
Muslim Ummah is unable but one man is!

Old Jesus met natural death.

There is no prove in Qur'an for that claim. However In Qur'an is clear state that Isa is refe'aha=elevate by Allah to Him
Muhammad is 'areje
and the ones who died are raje'a returned

Imam Mahdi and Messiah has to come from Muslim Uma and he is one personality having two hats.

Imam Mahdi will encounter Isa a.s. near Damascus.
There is no any doubt that we are talking about two person not two persons in one.
Mr. Mirza make a mistake because his first claim was that he is a Isa, and after Isa and Imam Mahdi-true?

Previously it remained famous will appear in 14th Islamic century. It passed now we are entering 16th Islamic century.

Now is, as a know, 1435.. that is not 16th century.
For sure we live in ahiriz-zeman and we are expecting coming of Imam Mahdi and Isa.

Write it some where. You will have your life, next generation will come and then next and so on. No one is going to descend from heaven. You have been given a message about Imam Mahdi. On the day of judgment you can not deny about this message.

Just one short hadith Sahih al-Bukhari 3449
Resulallah a.s. said "How will you be when the son of Mary descends amongst you and your imam is among you."
"‏ كَيْفَ أَنْتُمْ إِذَا نَزَلَ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ فِيكُمْ وَإِمَامُكُمْ مِنْكُمْ
bin Meryem will nezele and Imam is already minkum.

verb refe'a means to rise, elevate (somebody by someone)
nezele means to descent (someboy by someone).
Is there anything more needed to say?

Question:
Do you love Muhammad s.a.v.s. more than mr. Mirza?

I can only pray God may guide you on the right path. Amin.

Amin! My du’a is ihdines-siratal mustekim!