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Old 02.02.2006., 01:12   #41
dosta si ti toga procita
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Old 02.02.2006., 06:47   #42
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malo, malo san maka! kaže:
poe i maupassant su dva najjača pisca koji se sjećam iz gimnazije
Kad si spomenuo de Maupassanta - njegova zbirka kratkih priča "Put u mrak" je bila knjiga koje sam se kao klinka užasno bojala.
Ali naravno da nisam mogla odoliti naslovima kao što su: "Smrt", "Mrak", "On", "Sam, "Duh" i sl.
Sjećam se jedne (ta je bila ultimate horor) sa nekom odrekanom šakom koja onda brije po okolo i davi nekog (ili već što) i svojih "vizija" te iste paukolike osušene crne ruke koja će me zgrabiti za nogu kad po noći budem išla na WC
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Old 02.02.2006., 09:20   #43
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Constantine kaže:
Primjećujem da danas malo tko pročitao njegova djela. Što je žalosno kada je pisao tako odlične i jezovite priče poput Crnog mačka (odličan je onaj dio pri završetku, pravi horor) ili Berenice (jezoviti je ono završetak kada zubi popadaju na pod) ili Izdajničko srce. Ima li ovdje uopće onih koji su zaozbiljno pročitali njegova djela?
ja sam zaozbiljno procitao gotovo sve sto je kod nas prevedeno, pa cak sam poceo citati i Englesko izdanje ali mi je tadad to bilo prenaporno (danas gutam sve na engleskom)... Odlicne su mi price Krabulja Crvene Smrti (opis dolaska kuge među Kneževu elitu), odlična mi je priča (ne mogu se točno sjetit imena) o crnoj kugi u Londonu kad se dva mornara napiju u pubu sa odavno mrtvima od crne kuge... Izdajničko srce nije loše - govori o glasu savjesti nakon ubojstva, Berenice je super... kad god vidim nečije velike bijele zube sjetim se Berenice... Dobar je pad kuce Usher (smješteno u Mađarsku?), Gavran je super kao i Anabel Lee ali malo već izlizan... Činjenice o slučaju Gdina Valdemara je odličan opis hoda po tankoj crti sa one strane smrti itd itd...
Nekad mi je bio odličan... dugo ga već nisam čitao...
Zanimljiv autor, pogotovo ak se lako uživiš u te horror scene... pa te strah kao mene.. zato ga i ne citam vise
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Old 02.02.2006., 09:22   #44
meni je poe-ova najdraza prica ona o jami i klatnu (mislim da se cak tako i zove). Ako to nisam citala 50 puta, nisam ni jednom. To je genij u 20ak stranica, nesto predobro.

bas bih mogla otic do algoritma kupit si zbirku prica u kojoj je ta...
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Old 02.02.2006., 09:29   #45
Ne volim pisce koji me dovode svojim pisanjem u mracno raspolozenje.

To mogu i sama ako mi bas treba, ne trebaju mi oni.
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Old 02.02.2006., 11:14   #46
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kemik kaže:
meni je poe-ova najdraza prica ona o jami i klatnu (mislim da se cak tako i zove). Ako to nisam citala 50 puta, nisam ni jednom. To je genij u 20ak stranica, nesto predobro.

bas bih mogla otic do algoritma kupit si zbirku prica u kojoj je ta...
ok je jama i njihalo, ali mi na kraju pokvari dozivljaj dolazak cinjenica o inkviziciji i torquemadi...

bilo bi super snimiti kratkometrazne (22min) horror filmove po njegovim pricama... bilo je par pokusaja, ali su previse isli drito na horror i duze su trajali pa je uglavnom dozivjelo neuspjeh.... a bas bih volio vidjeti Krabulju Crvene Smrti i Kralj Kuga (eh, sjetio sam se kak se zove... )
Kupi knjigu, javi cijenu, mozda i ja skoknem po primjerak...
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Old 02.02.2006., 11:50   #47
Poe’s Last Inebriation

At a long gone midnight he sweated copiously, shivered, saw phantoms sliding along the walls. “A great man” – the hospital staff were saying. His mother had been a successful actress. Father, a general’s son, himself an actor, but quite bad at it, and, on top of that, mostly drunk, with huge debts. He disappeared one day. Neither Edgar Alan, nor anyone else, ever found out what had happened to him. Edgar Alan became attached to his brother Henry, in whom he saw his other Self, but he died young, of alcohol. I had loved The Raven for a long time before I found out about Poe’s alcoholism. “I’m glad he also drank” – said a friend of mine, a drunk. And he straightened up with some kind of importance.

And Poe drank because everyone in his family drank, because his wife became ill, because he had no money (and for drink it could be always found), because he was depressed, because he was encountering emotional and creative crises, because… He used to say he suffered spiritual depression, he used to say that was why he had turned to drink, which only made him even more unreliable, he would not complete his work, was becoming increasingly self-destructive, he would speak more frequently of dying, while still begging his friends to convince him that there was sense in living. He would, sometimes, fight his habits. In a letter he wrote that he had given up drinking, after becoming “completely conscious of the unreasonable and humiliating direction he had thus followed”. He was left penniless, but claimed that drinking had never been a habit, and – as is typical of those immersed in alcoholism – that he could stop drinking whenever he wanted to: and if he wanted to, it would have “taken a tiny bit of effort” (Quote from Kenneth Silverman, Edgar A. Poe, Mournful and Never-ending Remembrance, 1992, p. 132). Later he claimed that he had not drunk for years, and when his colleagues would bring him home from work drunk, that it was unusual and that he would do anything not to “let this happen again”. Nevermore. Everyone who has ever woken up with a hangover has uttered the refrain of The Raven. Poe claimed that other people forced him to drink, that he only needed the one to get drunk, which, maybe, was not true, but it was true that he could not stop after the one. Then he would

be funny and lucid

loose parts of his texts

get fired from work

court former lovers

forget to pay

insult his friends

be boring

make a fool of himself

forget where he was going

stumble around unshaven

without a tie

without a shoe

and then he would have to stay in bed for at least a day, sometimes longer, he would repent and apologise to everyone, he would promise that he would “never drink another drop” in his life. Nevermore. He would, once again, become civilised, an example of a gentleman, and then, suddenly, everything would change, and he would, again, be found lying in canals, be ridiculed in the press. So many times have people who loved him thought that he would never again, and so many times – probably happy for convincing them and himself – he set upon drink… His friends claimed he was overly sensitive and thus easily fell under the influence of alcohol, his enemies that he drank senselessly, but they did not know that he could not find a way of escaping the ever growing pain of loosing his wife without loosing consciousnesses. Alcohol has destroyed so much of his life, yet he kept on returning to it. In Philadelphia he came across his old friends who urged him to drink “to the brink of insanity”, which inflamed his paranoia, strengthened his conviction that they wanted to kill him and intensified his desire to commit suicide. No one knows what happened in the week prior to his death. Then they saw him in a Baltimore bar. Completely drunk, semiconscious. Was drink the source of his work, or did it, at least, influence its form, or was it his work – what he accomplished through it – that led him to drink? They transferred him to a hospital, but the doctor failed to free him from phantoms of delirium – shall be lifted, nevermore – or of the other ones, with whom he lived; those phantoms, today, we call the poetry of Edgar Alan Poe.

”Lord help my poor Soul”.

Predrag Finci
iz eseja "Thinking of Drinking"

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Old 02.02.2006., 18:57   #48
kratke prichice su mu jeftino smece
anabelica je ukradena
gavran je zakon za sva vremena
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Old 02.02.2006., 19:01   #49
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cabon kaže:
anabelica je ukradena
Od koga?
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Old 02.02.2006., 19:09   #50
pricamo o aep-u a ne o njegovim zrtvama
a prichica o kradji te pjesmice, mrachnija je od svih njegovih.
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Old 02.02.2006., 20:38   #51
Postujem Poa, posebno uzajamne uticaje romanticarskih pesnika s pocetka 19 veka. Poneka pesma me ponese, ali uglavnom ih manje vise ravnodusno procitam. Sam pisac mi je interesantniji od dela, jer bi bio dobar tragicni lik neke price... Od roditelja alkoholicara i putujucih glumaca, ostaje siroce; zastitu pronalazi pod okriljem Dzona Alana ciju je suprugu Fransis zavoleo kao majku, te iz postovanja prema njoj je dodao drugo ime. Zaljubljuje se u trinestogodisnju rodjaku Virdziniju, a potom je i zeni - prvo tajno a kasnije i zvanicno. Anabel Lee je devojcica koju je on imao kraj sebe.
Svadja sa Dzonom Alanom, Virdzijina bolest koja je odnela u smrt, a njega u dvogodisnju agoniju pijanstva, raznih zena - koje je sve nazivao svojim 'zvezdanim sestrama', da bi posle tih godina lutanja okoncao u delirijum tremensu, u Baltimoru.
Uvek su mi nesmirene duse bile inspirativne, samo nikad mi nije bilo jasno zasto li je napisao tako glupu pricu kao 'Avanture A. G. Pima'. Ako se neko ne slaze sa mnom oko ove knjige, izuzetno me zanima razlog suprotnog misljenja.
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Old 03.02.2006., 10:24   #52
super mi je i ona pričica sphinx o onom trazenju nekakvog blaga...
a fantasticna mi je prica o onome tipu koji balonom putuje na mjesec pa opisuje sto mu se događa pri prolasku kroz atmosfere i kako dozivljava zemlju i mjesec... stvarno odlicna prica...
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Old 03.02.2006., 20:09   #53
jedan od boljih mi pisaca,jebeno docarava jezivu atmosferu i mracne misli... bio je daleko ispred svoga vremena. Najbolje su mi njegove pjesme,fakat ima prejebenih
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Old 08.02.2006., 08:04   #54
"Pad kuće Usher" - Nisam poznavao Poea dok prije mnogo godina nisam pogledao taj film koji me je zaintrigirao. Film je neobičan, mračan, komoran sa sveg četri lika, a opet vrlo snažan i dojmljiv. Inače rado bih ga opet pogledao ali nemogu ga naći.
Nakon toga sam se zainteresirao za Poea i pročitao sam mnoga njegova djela.
I dojmovi su svakojaki, od izvrsnog: The Raven, Bure Amontiljada, Krabulja Crvene smrti, Izdajničko Srce....
... pa do skoro nečitljivog: Doživljaji Artura Gordona Pyma
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Old 13.02.2006., 23:07   #55
Ne bih se složila da ga ljudi danas ne čitaju...
Recimo da ga ljudi koji nisu dostojni polizati mu cipele preziru, pa to smanjuje kvotu...
Mnogo mojih prijatelja ga i čita i voli i trudi se razumjeti. Interpretacija je mnogo.
Anabel li je prva njegova pjesma koju sam pročitala, i ima posebno mjesto umom srcu.
Pad kuće Usherovih je briljantan, ta struktura, ti likovi, ta strava...
Crni mačak je klasik.
Gavran je.... Raven. And that's it.
Meni osobno je grijeh prevoditi njegovu poeziju, to je poput masakriranja... Ako ste u mogućnosti čitati njagove pjesme na engleskom, I say go for it.
Za pripovjetke to nijhe toliko bitno.
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Old 14.02.2006., 00:29   #56
Od njegovih pjesama izdvojio bih Gavrana i Anabellu Lee
A od pripovjetki Njihalo i Crnog mačka
pročitao sam dosta njegovih djela i pošto volim Horore i mistiku uživao sam čitajući ga
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Old 19.02.2006., 11:03   #57
jama i njihalo

ne znam, meni je poe nešto savršeno... njegove pjesme i priče su savršene...morbidne, da jesu. ali nije to bitno, bitno je ono što nam želi reći...o ljudskoj psihi i svemu tome...

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Old 08.03.2006., 11:28   #58
Eldorado

Gaily bedight,
A gallant knight,
In sunshine and in shadow,
Had journeyed long,
Singing a song,
In search of Eldorado.

But he grew old-
This knight so bold-
And o'er his heart a shadow
Fell as he found
No spot of ground
That looked like Eldorado.

And, as his strength
Failed him at length,
He met a pilgrim shadow-
"Shadow," said he,
"Where can it be-
This land of Eldorado?"

"Over the Mountains
Of the Moon,
Down the Valley of the Shadow,
Ride, boldly ride,"
The shade replied-
"If you seek for Eldorado!"

E.A.Poe

Kao mlađi sam čitao priče ali tek nedavno otkrih njegovu poeziju.
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Old 13.03.2006., 20:27   #59
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Maisie kaže:
Annabel Lee

Prije mnogo i mnogo godina,
U carstvu kraj mora to bi,
Djeva je živjela, koju su zvali
Imenom Annabel Lee;
S tek jednom je živjela mišlju:
Da voli, i da se volimo mi.

Serbedzija je fenomenalan pri recitiranju ove poeme.
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Old 15.03.2006., 21:11   #60
Procitao sam sve sto je izdao.
Nego, sjetio sam se da sam citao nesto i kada je najbolje ono....kraj.
Dali je Poe to zavrsio ili....? Ne mogu se sjetiti kako se djelo zove, ali ljudi koji su citali znaju o cemu se radi.
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