Federer vs Đoković vs Nadal Celebrity Deathmatch

[zajednica]

Nove metode saniranja ozljeda su pomakle granice dobnosti.
Kod nekog više kod nekog manje ovisno o stilu igre i genetici.
Ono što je jasno da Federer postavlja standarde i ostali su tu da to skidaju.
Što sve moraju prolazit da bi ostvarili takav cilj pokazuje koliko su voljni biti u istoj ravni sa nijm ili bolji.
Nadal ima šanse bit bolji ako nastavi pametno raspoređivat, Novak je mislim, skužio da može i to mu je dovoljno.On se okreće drugim stvarima,prioritetima.
Fed i Nadal ostaju u borbi za GOAT tiulu koja je po meni bez obzira na sve;skup proizvoljnih impresija bez objektivnog uporišta osim golih brojeva koji su u ovom slučaju u kontradikciji.
Jedan bez drugog su nepotpuni.
Zajedno su esencija tenisa.
Sam tenis.

[LeGriffio]

Solna Kiselina kaže:

Bolje cuvao.
A inace ovi po bolnicama se ne cuvaju, namjerno se poderu.

Da je bar Cilic bolje cuvao stopala. :klap:

Da, bolje se čuvao. BOLJE. Nigdje nisam rekao da se drugi ne čuvaju niti da se namjerno poderu.

Mislim, ako trolaš, probaj to bar malo kvalitetnije pa da se ljepše zabavljamo, ovakvi self-contradicting postovi koji ne odgovaraju na ono na što bi trebali odgovarati, a usput su u samoj svojoj suštini besmisleni, su stvarno 0/10 razina

[Solna Kiselina]

LeGriffio kaže:

Da, bolje se čuvao. BOLJE. Nigdje nisam rekao da se drugi ne čuvaju niti da se namjerno poderu.

Mislim, ako trolaš, probaj to bar malo kvalitetnije pa da se ljepše zabavljamo, ovakvi self-contradicting postovi koji ne odgovaraju na ono na što bi trebali odgovarati, a usput su u samoj svojoj suštini besmisleni, su stvarno 0/10 razina

Kako mislis da je mogao bolje cuvati slijepo crijevo?

Ozljede u vecini slucajeva nemaju nista s "cuvanjem" vec su cista sreca/nesreca.
Osim u Arsenalu, tamo im nesto rade da budu sto slabiji.

Pa je Roger imao srecu da se rodi s boljim koljenima, boljim laktovima, boljim zglobovima, boljim stopalima, na kraju krajeva i vise talenta, pa sve postize lakse, s manje napora.

Rafa je poderan od rodjenja. Prvi RG na kojem je trebao igrati preskace zbog povrede lakta. Sa 17 godina. Nije ga bas stigao potrosit.

Mogao se sacuvati od ozljeda da je vasceli zivot pecao ribe, mozda bi samo zglob nastradao kod zabacaja.

Ako nisam u pravu, javi svijetu rjesenje, sigurno ce ti biti zahvalni sto si ih spasio najvece sportske nesrece.
Da je bar Haas znao sto ti znas, mozda bi i ispunio potencijal. Ili Baker.

Ja mogu biti i -4/10 razina, al najsimpaticnije je sto ti mislis da si s tim lovom na trolove koji ti se prividjaju bolji.

[zajednica]

Manje napora zahtjeva "lebdenje" nego "oranje", manje napora=manje stresa na telo. Ko oće zna ko neće netreba.

[Solna Kiselina]

What are the injuries Rafael Nadal has had, and why?
1 Answer
Caleb Pereira
Caleb Pereira, Football (soccer), tennis, and table-tennis dabbler
Updated Mar 2
(Note: I've chosen to focus on his chronic injuries — knee and foot — rather than the other minor ones like back, ankle, wrist, and shoulder which usually plague every tennis pro from time to time.)

I’d like to clear up a mass misconception about Rafa's "will to destroy his body" as perpetuated by a small percentage of Fedfans ...

Nadal has a growth-related defect called Kohler's feet [1] [2] which has absolutely nothing to do with his berserking-grinder style of play — he of the hard-running, flailing, sweaty limbs.

There are many other beserking-grinders on tour who have lasted quite long on the Tour without needing to take extensive breaks like Nadal did in 2004, 2006, 2009, 2012, and 2014.

David Ferrer ("The Little Beast"), Thomas Muster ("The Comeback Player of the 1990s") and Guillermo Vilas ("The 1980s Clay God") played as intensely as Rafa, played at that level at ages older than Rafa, have played more matches overall, and haven’t needed to take so many breaks from the tennis circuit to rest their knees, or nurse some unlucky injury.

Of course, they've had their own share of injuries, but nothing compared to Rafa's odd 25 months taken off due to his various complications which I'll go into detail later in a bit.

Make no mistake — Tennis is a sport which is reliant on physicality for probably 50% of its output.

Blaming someone for playing at a higher intensity to beat his rivals, when that is a requisite of the sport, is the talk of a layman.

The real reason Rafa is so unlucky is because of said rare birth defect — Kohler's foot — which has snowballed into other complications on the knee.

I’ll give you a rough timeline:

2004 — 2005

By the time he turned 17, in 2004, Rafa and his team discovered that the navicular bone in his left foot had not completely ossified when he was a baby, and was causing pain and swelling during playing sessions.

After a negative opinion by the doctors who he consulted with, his family and team were considering retirement so that Rafa would not aggravate that brittle navicular and risk its fracture.

For a week, Rafa was distraught that he wouldn’t get to play a sport he had chosen since he was 6.

But his father came to his rescue by looking for alternative solutions to this Kohler's problem.

He consulted another scientist/doctor who came to the conclusion that with reasonable scheduling and a custom-built shoe, Rafa could still play the physical sport of tennis, and eke out a decent career out of it.

In the same year, Rafa and his team experimented with this new shoe and created a schedule in such a way that he could play more matches on the softer, easy-on-the-feet clay courts, rather than on the hard courts.

After his insane 2005 season, the best season by a teenager on the ATP Tour since Bjorn Borg, Nadal began experiencing foot pain again and skipped the 2005 WTF and 2006 Australian Open, and came back for the 2006 Indian Wells.

From that break, they’d realized that they would never completely get rid of the problem, and would perennially have to adjust his schedule so that his feet didn't fracture.

2006–2009

From 2006-09, Rafa had a few brushes with this complication, most notably the US Open 2007 4R injury with David Ferrer, but was able to reach a consistent no.2 and even win a few Masters 1000s, Wimbledon and the Australian Open, all away from his favourite surface.

Then in 2009 came the biggest complication in the problem till then.

After a strenuous clay court season which saw the rise of Novak Djokovic at the 3 clay-court Masters of Monte Carlo, Rome, and Madrid (during which Novak almost snatched the no.2 spot from Federer) Rafa was pushed to an aggregate of 8 hours of tennis in his 3 matches with Novak.

If you're familiar with a Novak-Rafa match, you'll recognize how far to the breaking point each of these guys can push each other to.

Their matches are like a step lower than a gladiatorial 3-4 hour boxing match and probably on equal footing with a squash match.

Probably.

Their matches are probably even more titanic than even those two sports events though.

Rafa beat a certain Mr.Soderling 6-1, 6-0 during this claycourt swing, but by the time Mutua Madrilena Madrid Masters was over in May, after his 4 hour match with Novak in the semis, and after his second and last loss to Federer on clay in the finals, Rafa's knees had developed an unexpected complication.

Unbeknownst (or knownst) to Rafa and his team, the peculiar angle of the custom-built shoe, while saving his navicular with smart angling, had transferred more stress on those tendons in his left knee.

This tendonitis that followed was so severe, Rafa lost to the same Mr. Soderling over the next week at his favourite slam, and skipped the grass season till the US Open Swing in August 2009.

Yes, people...

Novak Djokovic helped Roger Federer get the French Open 2009, and not so much Robin Soderling. Robin was just the straw who broke the Bull’s back.

2009–2017

Over the next few years, Rafa and his team had to be aware of this new knee complication, and they managed it well till after the long, grueling claycourt season in 2012 … when Rafa took his longest-ever break of 7 months from July 2012 to February 2013.

He came back strong in 2013, but as is always the case with Rafa was never able to completely dominate hardcourts (after that US Open Swing 2013) as well as Novak did, and Roger before.

Since 2014, after his Wimbledon 4R loss to Kyrgios, and 2 month break for another case of knee tendinitis, he has never been himself — slow, sluggish, and liable to choke at important moments ... he’s nothing like the man he was from 2007-13.

And that my friends, is the sad story of why Rafa is unkindly pushed (by zealot Fedfans) to the side as some body-breaking, quasi-tennis "clay-specialist", even though he has reached 11 non-clay slam finals, won 5 of them, won 1 non-clay Olympic gold and 8 non-clay Masters 1000s.

Ko razumije, shvatit ce.

[zajednica]

Solna Kiselina kaže:

Ko razumije, shvatit ce.

Ovo je ustvari subjektivno prokazivanje istine fedanovima sa jednim od logičkih zaključaka da da je Novak i intezitet mečeva kojeg su imali doveo do najgoreg stanja koljena 2009. Uz "objektivni dodatak" da je to razlog Federerove pobjede na RG a ne gubitak od (tendenciozno nazvanog)Mr. Soderlinga.
LOL
Kažem ti lebditi i rovati po terenu nije jednako dobro za kolena.

[Il Mas]

Dragan kaže:

Bok, drustvo.
Interesuje me da li bi bilo moguce,

Evo:

......................Federer..........Nadal...... ....Djokovic..........Referentni igrac (10).
1. servis .............. 9.............. 7................ 7
2. servis .............. 9 ............. 8 ............... 7
return ................. 7 ............. 8 ............... 9
FH cross .............. 9 .............. 9............... 8
FH long line ........... 8 ............. 9 .............. 8
BH cross .............. 8 .............. 9 .............. 8
BH long line ............ 7 ............ 7 ............ 8
FH inside-out ..........9 ............ 10 ............. 8
slice .................... 9 ............ 9 ............ 7
igra na osnovnoj ....... 8 ......... 10 ............ 9
igra pod kutovima .......9 ......... 9 ............ 8
napad......................10..............9...... ..........8
odbrana...................8..............10....... ........9
volley ................. 10 ............ 8 ............. 5 ................ Federer
half volley ............ 9 ............ 9 ............ 7
serve-and-volley ........9 ......... 7 ........... 6
smash ...................9 ............ 9 ............ 6
lob ................... 7 ................ 8 ................ 7
drop shot ............ 9 ............ 9 ............ 7
tweener ............ 9 ............ 8 ............ 8
brzina ............... 8 ............... 9 ............... 9
snaga ............... 8 ............... 9 ............... 7
improvizacija ......... 10 ......... 9 ......... 7 ................... Federer
taktika .............. 9 .............. 8 .............. 8
mentalna snaga .......8 ............. 10 .............. 8
hard .................. 9 .............. 9 .............. 9
clay .................. 8 ............... 10 .............. 8 ...................... Nadal
grass .................... 10 .............. 8 ............ 8 ................ Federer

Total ................ 251 .............. 244 ............ 214

[zajednica]

Solna Kiselina kaže:

Odvadi zakljucke ako ti ne stimaju.
Priroda Rafinih povreda je jasna.

Nije jednako zdravo ni lebdit s konkurencijom ili bez.

Provokacije na nacionalnoj osnovi postojane.

Ček ček, možemo se neslagat u viđenju svijetla i mraka to je ok ali imat namjeru nešto provocirat na nac.osnovi nije moj nivo sigurno,ovo je bila zajebancija jer mi je u glavi bila pjesma "dodirni mi kolena" dok sam čitao o genezi bolesti...
Nemojte imputirat i svodit na niske strasti,ja mogu biti slijep u vezi tenisa što nisam ali vrijeđat na nac.osnovi me prošlo odavno.
Možeš skinut tog rigu,i ja uopće neznam koje si ti nacionalnosti.
Nekad pišeš sa ubaćenim riječima na ekavici a nekad bez i mislim da se zafrkavaš jer su ti te riječi simpa....

Konkurencija nije Federerov izbor,ko ni Nadalov "hendikep" u toj konstalaciji snaga on se izdigao daleko iznad, kako češ mi dokazati da u eri jače konkurencije tih godina koje mu osporavate on nebi napravio još bolje rezultate?

[Solna Kiselina]

zajednica kaže:

Ček ček, možemo se neslagat u viđenju svijetla i mraka to je ok ali imat namjeru nešto provocirat na nac.osnovi nije moj nivo sigurno,ovo je bila zajebancija jer mi je u glavi bila pjesma "dodirni mi kolena" dok sam čitao o genezi bolesti...
Nemojte imputirat i svodit na niske strasti,ja mogu biti slijep u vezi tenisa što nisam ali vrijeđat na nac.osnovi me prošlo odavno.
Možeš skinut tog rigu,i ja uopće neznam koje si ti nacionalnosti.
Nekad pišeš sa ubaćenim riječima na ekavici a nekad bez i mislim da se zafrkavaš jer su ti te riječi simpa....

Nije bitno sta sam ja, vec sta ti mislis da jesam, pa mi se u skladu s tim i obracas.

Ovako si mi se obratio kad je No4o izgubio:

zajednica kaže:

Jebiga zemljak ti je bio nada, a nož u leđe uvjek dolazi od najbližih.

Tako da mi je tesko povjerovati da je sad ekavica nicim izazvana bila slucajnost. I da slusas Zanu.

zajednica kaže:

Konkurencija nije Federerov izbor,ko ni Nadalov "hendikep" u toj konstalaciji snaga on se izdigao daleko iznad, kako češ mi dokazati da u eri jače konkurencije tih godina koje mu osporavate on nebi napravio još bolje rezultate?

Ne osporavam nikakve godine (bar sad). Roger je zakljucio da je konkurencija na RG-u prejaka, pa nije ni lebdio, a sve da bi bolje cuvao kolena.

Nije jednako zdravo ni lebdit s konkurencijom ili bez.

[vabank]

Onaj osjećaj kad Rafatardi objašnjavaju neovisnost ozljeda sa stilom igre navodeći argument konkurencije koju je Roger očito sam birao

[Solna Kiselina]

vabank kaže:

Onaj osjećaj kad Rafatardi objašnjavaju neovisnost ozljeda sa stilom igre navodeći argument konkurencije koju je Roger očito sam birao

Vidis kako si fino shvatio o cemu je rijec.
Bas zbog takvih kao sto si ti sam tacno citirala na sta se odnosi to sto sam rekla, al dzaba.

Pa ponovo, kronoloski, jer ocito svima mrak na oci pada kad vide slova slozena u rijec konkurencija:

Kažem ti lebditi i rovati po terenu nije jednako dobro za kolena.

Nije jednako zdravo ni lebdit s konkurencijom ili bez.

Roger je zakljucio da je konkurencija na RG-u prejaka, pa nije ni lebdio, a sve da bi bolje cuvao kolena.

Da bi shvatio napisano, moras u obzir uzeti kome je napisano i kao odgovor na sta. Konkurencija, lebditi, kolena, bolje cuvao. Ako nisi ispratio zadnjih nekoliko postova, tesko da ce ti ista imati smisla, pa ces ko papiga vec svoje nauceno o konkurenciji nadrobit, a sto veze nema s tim na sto repliciras, stvarno nema veze.

A doktore, nisam vas preoznala, lijepo da imamo takvog strucnjaka na forumu, pa da iz prve ruke znamo zasto i kako ozljede nastaju.

Il Masz kaže:

Evo:

Puuuuno realnije.

[Zlatko99]

Solna Kiselina kaže:

What are the injuries Rafael Nadal has had, and why?
1 Answer
Caleb Pereira
Caleb Pereira, Football (soccer), tennis, and table-tennis dabbler
Updated Mar 2
(Note: I've chosen to focus on his chronic injuries — knee and foot — rather than the other minor ones like back, ankle, wrist, and shoulder which usually plague every tennis pro from time to time.)

I’d like to clear up a mass misconception about Rafa's "will to destroy his body" as perpetuated by a small percentage of Fedfans ...

Nadal has a growth-related defect called Kohler's feet [1] [2] which has absolutely nothing to do with his berserking-grinder style of play — he of the hard-running, flailing, sweaty limbs.

There are many other beserking-grinders on tour who have lasted quite long on the Tour without needing to take extensive breaks like Nadal did in 2004, 2006, 2009, 2012, and 2014.

David Ferrer ("The Little Beast"), Thomas Muster ("The Comeback Player of the 1990s") and Guillermo Vilas ("The 1980s Clay God") played as intensely as Rafa, played at that level at ages older than Rafa, have played more matches overall, and haven’t needed to take so many breaks from the tennis circuit to rest their knees, or nurse some unlucky injury.

Of course, they've had their own share of injuries, but nothing compared to Rafa's odd 25 months taken off due to his various complications which I'll go into detail later in a bit.

Make no mistake — Tennis is a sport which is reliant on physicality for probably 50% of its output.

Blaming someone for playing at a higher intensity to beat his rivals, when that is a requisite of the sport, is the talk of a layman.

The real reason Rafa is so unlucky is because of said rare birth defect — Kohler's foot — which has snowballed into other complications on the knee.

I’ll give you a rough timeline:

2004 — 2005

By the time he turned 17, in 2004, Rafa and his team discovered that the navicular bone in his left foot had not completely ossified when he was a baby, and was causing pain and swelling during playing sessions.

After a negative opinion by the doctors who he consulted with, his family and team were considering retirement so that Rafa would not aggravate that brittle navicular and risk its fracture.

For a week, Rafa was distraught that he wouldn’t get to play a sport he had chosen since he was 6.

But his father came to his rescue by looking for alternative solutions to this Kohler's problem.

He consulted another scientist/doctor who came to the conclusion that with reasonable scheduling and a custom-built shoe, Rafa could still play the physical sport of tennis, and eke out a decent career out of it.

In the same year, Rafa and his team experimented with this new shoe and created a schedule in such a way that he could play more matches on the softer, easy-on-the-feet clay courts, rather than on the hard courts.

After his insane 2005 season, the best season by a teenager on the ATP Tour since Bjorn Borg, Nadal began experiencing foot pain again and skipped the 2005 WTF and 2006 Australian Open, and came back for the 2006 Indian Wells.

From that break, they’d realized that they would never completely get rid of the problem, and would perennially have to adjust his schedule so that his feet didn't fracture.

2006–2009

From 2006-09, Rafa had a few brushes with this complication, most notably the US Open 2007 4R injury with David Ferrer, but was able to reach a consistent no.2 and even win a few Masters 1000s, Wimbledon and the Australian Open, all away from his favourite surface.

Then in 2009 came the biggest complication in the problem till then.

After a strenuous clay court season which saw the rise of Novak Djokovic at the 3 clay-court Masters of Monte Carlo, Rome, and Madrid (during which Novak almost snatched the no.2 spot from Federer) Rafa was pushed to an aggregate of 8 hours of tennis in his 3 matches with Novak.

If you're familiar with a Novak-Rafa match, you'll recognize how far to the breaking point each of these guys can push each other to.

Their matches are like a step lower than a gladiatorial 3-4 hour boxing match and probably on equal footing with a squash match.

Probably.

Their matches are probably even more titanic than even those two sports events though.

Rafa beat a certain Mr.Soderling 6-1, 6-0 during this claycourt swing, but by the time Mutua Madrilena Madrid Masters was over in May, after his 4 hour match with Novak in the semis, and after his second and last loss to Federer on clay in the finals, Rafa's knees had developed an unexpected complication.

Unbeknownst (or knownst) to Rafa and his team, the peculiar angle of the custom-built shoe, while saving his navicular with smart angling, had transferred more stress on those tendons in his left knee.

This tendonitis that followed was so severe, Rafa lost to the same Mr. Soderling over the next week at his favourite slam, and skipped the grass season till the US Open Swing in August 2009.

Yes, people...

Novak Djokovic helped Roger Federer get the French Open 2009, and not so much Robin Soderling. Robin was just the straw who broke the Bull’s back.

2009–2017

Over the next few years, Rafa and his team had to be aware of this new knee complication, and they managed it well till after the long, grueling claycourt season in 2012 … when Rafa took his longest-ever break of 7 months from July 2012 to February 2013.

He came back strong in 2013, but as is always the case with Rafa was never able to completely dominate hardcourts (after that US Open Swing 2013) as well as Novak did, and Roger before.

Since 2014, after his Wimbledon 4R loss to Kyrgios, and 2 month break for another case of knee tendinitis, he has never been himself — slow, sluggish, and liable to choke at important moments ... he’s nothing like the man he was from 2007-13.

And that my friends, is the sad story of why Rafa is unkindly pushed (by zealot Fedfans) to the side as some body-breaking, quasi-tennis "clay-specialist", even though he has reached 11 non-clay slam finals, won 5 of them, won 1 non-clay Olympic gold and 8 non-clay Masters 1000s


Ko razumije, shvatit ce.

Mislim svašta,ovaj tekst neznam ko je to pisao,ali hrpa krivih informacija.
Nadalovi problemi sa koljenom 2009-2017?Mislim dve kraće pauze zbog koljena se fino zaokružilo na skoro 9godina igre pod ozljedom.
I mislim 2014 Nadal nije imao problem sa koljenom kako se piše u datom tekstu već sa ručnim zglobom i operacijom slijepog crijeva.
Imali su i drugi igrači raznih problema sa ozljedama i bolestima i Federer i Murray i Novak,Ništa Nadal nije previše različit tu.

[Eng3lthal]

ili brojkama najjednostavnije:


Federer 10
Nadal 9
Dokovic 8,5


provedeno je opsezno istraživanje, ne brinite se, i objavljeno u casopisu objektivnost i zdrav razum

[zajednica]

Ti si stavila ? na onaj moj upis. Taj upitnik sam ja protumacio da ti novak nije zemljak...
Nebitno ja znam da te ne mogu kvalificirati po nacionalnoj osnovi jer me to ne jebe kod tebe jer si normalna tvrdoglava osoba.
FED je preskocio clay sezonu jer je procjenio da mu netreba za njegove ciljeve. Rezultat je pokazao da je dobro procjenio i to ga cini u sustini dobrim kad je u pitanju donosenje odluka.
Pitanje je dali je Rafa dobro odlucivao kad je sa hendikepom kretao u ratove i izlazio osakacen pobjednik da bi trpio posljedice nakon. Njegov nacin donosenja odluka mozes tumaciti kao beskompromisni fajter ili odvec pretenciozan. Bilo kako bilo taj nacin ciklicki donosi nevjerovatne rezultate i po meni je jednako dobar kao i fedova odluka o neigranju clay sezone koju ti pak mozes tumaciti povlacenjem pred nadalom ili pak racionalizaciji energije motivacije forme itd...

To be continued...
Nemoj bit u fazi konfrotacije non stop s bilo kim ko ukaze svoj negativan dojam u svezi tvog pulena...

[Dragan]

___________________ Federer _________ Nadal _________ Djokovic
1. servis ____________ 9 / 9 ___________ 7 / 7 __________ 8 / 7
2. servis ____________ 8 / 9 ___________ 6 / 8 __________ 7 / 7
return ______________ 9 / 7 ___________ 8 / 8 __________ 9 / 9
FH cross ____________ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 9 __________ 9 / 8
FH long line __________ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 9 __________ 9 / 8
BH cross ____________ 8 / 8 ___________ 8 / 9 ___________ 8 / 8
BH long line __________ 8 / 7 ___________ 7 / 7 __________ 8 / 8
FH inside-out ________ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 10 _________ 8 / 8
slice ________________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 9 __________ 7 / 7
igra na osnovnoj ______ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 10 _________ 9 / 9
igra pod kutovima _____ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 9 __________ 8 / 8
passing shot __________ 9 / * ___________ 9 / * __________ 9 / *
napad _______________ 9 / 10 __________ 9 / 9 __________ 8 / 8
odbrana _____________ 9 / 8 ___________ 9 / 9 __________ 9 / 10
volley _______________ 10 / 10 _________ 8 / 8 __________ 6 / 5
half volley ____________ 9 / 9 __________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 7
serve-and-volley ______ 9 /9 ____________ 8 / 7 ___________ 7 / 6
smash _______________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 9 ___________ 7 / 6
lob __________________ 7 / 7 ___________ 8 / 8 ___________ 8 / 7
drop shot _____________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 9 ___________ 7 / 7
tweener ______________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 8 ___________ 8 / 8
brzina ________________ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 9
snaga ________________ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 7
improvizacija __________ 10 / 10 _________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 7
taktika ________________ 9 / 9 __________ 8 / 8 ___________ 8 / 8
mentalna snaga ________ 9 / 8 __________ 9 / 10 ___________ 8 / 8
hard __________________ 9 / 9 __________ 8 / 9 ____________ 9 / 9
clay __________________ 8 / 8 __________ 10 / 10 __________ 9 / 8
grass ________________ 10 / 10 __________ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 8

Total _____________ 262 / 251* _______ 251 / 244* ______ 245 / 214*

Dragan / Il Masz (*bez passing shot)

PS
Slozio bih se da je Rafin 2. servis bolji nego sto sam ga prvo ocenio, ali da je Rodzerov return slabiji od Rafinog ?

[Il Mas]

netko(vjerojatno ja) je nešto krivo zbrojio. Razlike između ocjena i ukupnog zbroja nisu točne, npr. kod Novaka 31 bod (22 ako ne računamo ovih 9), a gledajući usporedno ocjene trebalo bi biti -13 razlike.

btw, passing mi stavi 8-9-8

[Dragan]

___________________ Federer _________ Nadal _________ Djokovic
1. servis ____________ 9 / 9 ___________ 7 / 7 __________ 8 / 7
2. servis ____________ 8 / 9 ___________ 7 / 8 __________ 7 / 7
return ______________ 9 / 7 ___________ 8 / 8 __________ 9 / 9
FH cross ____________ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 9 __________ 9 / 8
FH long line __________ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 9 __________ 9 / 8
BH cross ____________ 8 / 8 ___________ 8 / 9 ___________ 8 / 8
BH long line __________ 8 / 7 ___________ 7 / 7 __________ 8 / 8
FH inside-out ________ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 10 _________ 8 / 8
slice ________________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 9 __________ 7 / 7
igra na osnovnoj ______ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 10 _________ 9 / 9
igra pod kutovima _____ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 9 __________ 8 / 8
passing shot __________ 9 /8 ___________ 9 / 9 __________ 9 / 8
napad _______________ 9 / 10 __________ 9 / 9 __________ 8 / 8
odbrana _____________ 9 / 8 ___________ 9 / 9 __________ 9 / 10
volley _______________ 10 / 10 _________ 8 / 8 __________ 6 / 5
half volley ____________ 9 / 9 __________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 7
serve-and-volley ______ 9 /9 ____________ 8 / 7 ___________ 7 / 6
smash _______________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 9 ___________ 7 / 6
lob __________________ 7 / 7 ___________ 8 / 8 ___________ 8 / 7
drop shot _____________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 9 ___________ 7 / 7
tweener ______________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 8 ___________ 8 / 8
brzina ________________ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 9
snaga ________________ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 9 ___________ 9 / 7
improvizacija __________ 10 / 10 _________ 9 / 9 ___________ 8 / 7
taktika ________________ 9 / 9 __________ 8 / 8 ___________ 8 / 8
mentalna snaga ________ 9 / 8 __________ 9 / 10 ___________ 8 / 8
hard __________________ 9 / 9 __________ 8 / 9 ____________ 9 / 9
clay __________________ 8 / 8 __________ 10 / 10 __________ 9 / 8
grass ________________ 10 / 10 __________ 8 / 8 ___________ 9 / 8

Total _____________ 254 / 250 _______ 244 / 252 ______ 236 / 223

Dragan / Il Masz

Dajte decki, zaista me interesuje kako vidite njihovu tehnicku usporedbu (znam da je to nemoguce potpuno objektivno proceniti, ali svejedno).
PS
Napravih gresku u Excelu.

[decent young player]

Pošto mislim da tenisku igru ne treba razlučivati na 300 podjela...

evo ovako.

za prajm

Federer - forhend:5, bekend:3+, kretanje:5, brzina:4, mreža:4, servis:4+
Nadal - forhend:5, bekend:4, kretanje:5, brzina:5, mreža:-3, servis: 3+
Đoković - forhend:4, bekend:5, kretanje:5, brzina:4+, mreža:2+, servis:-4

Nadal po ovome prvi valjda, možda bi Gulbis imao najbolje ocjene. Ili, Del Potro. Poanta, nebitno je. Samo miks svega u datom trenutku donosi rezultat, sve su to školovani igrači koji će te temelje tehnički izvrsno posjedovati. Rezultat je u spoju svega, što je okvirno nemjerljivo parametrima.

[zajednica]

Cestitke starom novom No1.
I dok se drugima dizalo spomenike dugovjecnosti, Nadalu se progbozirao kraj karijere do 30 u invalidskim kolicima. Unotoc svim prognozama Ratnik je na svom putu u besmrtnost ostavio jos jedan neizbrisiv bljesak u povijesti ove prekrasne igre.

Bravo Rafa!

[vabank]

zajednica kaže:

Cestitke starom novom No1.
I dok se drugima dizalo spomenike dugovjecnosti, Nadalu se progbozirao kraj karijere do 30 u invalidskim kolicima. Unotoc svim prognozama Ratnik je na svom putu u besmrtnost ostavio jos jedan neizbrisiv bljesak u povijesti ove prekrasne igre.

Bravo Rafa!

Bit će i više od bljeska ako uspije do kraja godine obraniti tu poziciju. Jer trenutno je objektivno gledano, tu samo zato jer Federer nije igrao pol sezone.