Zaoštravanje Sjeverna Koreja

[bonaventuraduda]

Mislim da je ova najava "nuklearne korejske apokalipse" - samo još jedna u nizu sličnih neostvarenih.Na sreću po sve nas.
Kim Y. Un. je najavio mogućnost da testira napad na "Guam" nakon što su mu UN najavile pooštrenje sankcija (naravno pod pritiskom US administracije).
Nema to plašenje toliko veze ni saKinom, još manje s Rusijom direktno.
Kim jednostavno igra sa adutima (kao i babo mu a i đedo prije ) koje ima. A to su nuklearne bojeve glave manje snage i rakete nosači dovoljni da dosegnu apsolutno sve u J.Koreji, a bogme i da potegnu do Japana. To je bitno. S tim može igrati igru "kako da očuvam vlast u mom dvorištu".A vlast može očuvati jedino strahom, dubokom indoktrinacijom i donekle punim trbusima naroda. Zato sve to.

Do rata neće doći tamo nikada - ne zato što USA nemaju snage da uzvrate tako da bi J.Koreja nakon tog uzvrata vjerojatno postala otok, tj. između nje i Kine bi ostao na kraju samo široki morski prolaz - več zato , što je apsolutno nemoguće zaustaviti široko razaranje same J. Koreje u slućaju rata - posebno više milijunskog Seula i mnogih drugih gradova na dometu ne samo granata i raketa, več i praćki iz S. Koreje.

Kim izlgeda lud ali nije glup. Trump izgleda glup ali nije lud toliko da ne bi poslušao svoje vojne savjetnike. A izjavu jednog od njih samo jučer mogli pročitati i na tragu je ovog o čemu tu pišem.

Previše je tu rizika po J. Koreju i Japan čak , da bi došlo do otvorenog sukoba i oružanog razrješenja( za podsjetnik ,sl. "vrućih" situacija bilo je milion doasad i biti će).
Naravno "kineski faktor" tu nije nezamariv - iz prostog razloga što Kina u sadašnjoj S. Koreji vidi tampon zonu US / Japanskom utjecaju u tom dijelu svijeta. Zato Kini i odgovara sataus quo dolje i nastojati će ga kako javnom tako i "u sjeni" diplomacijom održati.

[babarogac]

a razaranje j Koreje problemi u Japanu, problemi u cijelom svjetskom

gospodarstvu...tako da je kao što sam već prije napisao, sve ovo igrokaz

za frustrirane narode i malo marketinga usput ili obratno

[bg011]

babarogac kaže:

a razaranje j Koreje problemi u Japanu, problemi u cijelom svjetskom

gospodarstvu...tako da je kao što sam već prije napisao, sve ovo igrokaz

za frustrirane narode i malo marketinga usput ili obratno

Nadajmo se!!

No ja bih izbegavao "kačenje" sa Kinom !?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IUC6Xbi6g

[šiška_zg]

bg011 kaže:

Nadajmo se!!

No ja bih izbegavao "kačenje" sa Kinom !?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IUC6Xbi6g

Naravno, montirani video (s američkim metal bandom u pozadini) je odličan doprinos raspravi. Sada upravo i američki generali gledaju isti i u panici su...

[kapitalist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULONYAPoCb0

[babarogac]

bg011 kaže:

Nadajmo se!!

No ja bih izbegavao "kačenje" sa Kinom !?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IUC6Xbi6g

s kinom se nitko neće kačiti, jer kinezi rade za ostatak svijeta, pa bi to bio p

ucanj u vlastitu nogu. Isto i J Koreu treba paziti da im mir bude.

[JKD01]

Ne znam što svi brijete, ameri i sjevernokorejanci se na redovnoj bazi barem 2x godišnje prepucavaju a naslovnice vrište kako nam prijeti svjetski rat da bi se za par dana sve smirilo i utihnulo.
Tako će biti i ovaj put.

[HasoMujo]

Bok svima,

Nove informacije u vezi Sjevernokorejskog napretka u raketnoj tehnologiji... izgleda da je to bila šverc / krađa / kupovina SSSR tehnologije iz Rusije i/ili Ukrajine...



"North Korea’s Missile Success Is Linked to Ukrainian Plant, Investigators Say"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/w...e-factory.html


"The secret to North Korea’s ICBM success"

http://www.iiss.org/en/iiss%20voices...m-success-3abb

[kapitalist]

Izgleda je gotovo, Sjeverna Koreja odgodila napad na Guam.

[bonaventuraduda]

kapitalist kaže:

Izgleda je gotovo, Sjeverna Koreja odgodila napad na Guam.

Moj post br. 41 na ovoj strani.
Drugacije nije ni moglo niti ce ikad moci .Diplomacija (vjerojatno kineska kao posrednik ) u sjeni je odradila svoje.
Kimu ce se "zazmiriti" na oba oka glede sankcija tj. izvoza njegovih civilnih proizvoda, a on nece "napdati" Guam,Japan ni J.Koreju (vrlo moguce da je ova zadnja uplatila neku pinku u "Kim's fond za razvoj dobrosusjedskih odnosa" > Digresija: pred jedno par godina predstavnici J.Koreje su imali radne sastanke sa Nijemcima, a ovi su ima prenosili iskustva kako su porazili "ossije" ili Nijemce - kumuniste znane kao DDR. A porazili su ih ne raketama ni bombama, kojih je DDR imao vise, vec - ekonomijom,tj. povoljnim kreditima i cak "bespovratnim" sredstvima. Takodjer i jednim "bespovratnim kredtitom" isplacenim SSSR-u/Gorbacovu 90.ih. J.Koreja /Japan igra na tu kartu i igrati ce. To ce trajati ali je jedino uspjesno rjesenje za okoncanje "spora" ).

Do iduceg nastavka djeco.
Lijep pozdrav

[HasoMujo]

Bok svima,

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/w...T.nav=top-news

North Korea Fires Missile Over Japan

By CHOE SANG-HUN and DAVID E. SANGERAUG. 28, 2017


SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea carried out one of its most provocative missile tests in recent years early Tuesday morning, hurling a ballistic missile directly over Japan that prompted the government in Tokyo to warn residents in its path to take cover.

The missile flew over the northern island of Hokkaido and landed harmlessly in the sea, after a flight of nearly 1,700 miles. But the propaganda value for the North Koreans was considerable.

Public television programs in Japan were interrupted with a rare warning screen announcing the missile’s flight over the country. Several bullet train lines were temporarily halted, and the government spoke of the missile — only the third North Korean projectile to fly over the country since 1998 — in unusually dire terms.

“North Korea’s reckless action of launching a missile that passed over Japan is an unprecedented, serious and grave threat,” said Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe. He later told reporters that he had spoken by telephone with President Trump. “Japan and the U.S. stances are completely matched,” he said, adding that they discussed ways to tighten pressure on North Korea.

The test was a direct challenge to Mr. Trump. Just last week, at a political rally in Arizona, Mr. Trump suggested that his threat to rain down “fire and fury” on North Korea if it endangered the United States was beginning to bear fruit. Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was “starting to respect us,” Mr. Trump said.

Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson had also cited a pause in testing by the North, saying he was “pleased to see that the regime in Pyongyang has certainly demonstrated some level of restraint that we have not seen in the past.” Mr. Tillerson suggested that it could be a “pathway” to dialogue.

Only days later, that optimism seemed premature when the North Koreans launched three short-range missiles on Saturday. Two of them traveled about 155 miles before splashing down, far enough to reach major South Korean and American military bases, including those about 60 miles south of Seoul.

North Korea carried out a missile test over Japan Tuesday morning.

While North Korea has not carried out its threat to fire four of its ballistic missiles toward the coast of Guam — and near an American air base — the missile it fired over Japan on Tuesday appeared to be of the same type: an intermediate-range missile that could target American, South Korean and Japanese bases in northeast Asia.

Only twice before has the North fired projectiles over Japanese territory: once in 1998, prompting a minor diplomatic crisis in Asia, and once again at the beginning of the Obama administration in 2009. In both those cases, the North said the rockets were carrying satellites into orbit. In this case, it made no such claim.

As in the case of the 2009 launch, which was paired with a nuclear weapons test, North Korea appears to be testing a new American president.

Notably, the missile fired on Tuesday took off from near Pyongyang, North Korea’s capital. Early reports, which are often corrected later, indicated it was launched from a site near Pyongyang’s international airport, not the usual launch site in the northeast, according to the South Korean military. They said they were still trying to determine what type of missile was launched.

American officials noted that if it was in fact launched from the capital’s outskirts, it may have been meant to complicate recent American threats to hit the North with pre-emptive strikes. That possibility was explicitly raised this month by Trump administration officials, as a way of seeking to deter the North Koreans.

While the North’s usual launch sites are in remote areas, where there would be little concern about civilian casualties, any strike near Pyongyang would risk many civilian deaths and would suggest the real goal was to strike at the regime.

An attack near Pyongyang would also be far more likely to result in North Korean retaliation against Seoul.

Lt. Gen. Hiroaki Maehara, the commander of the Japan Air Self-Defense Force’s Air Defense Command, said that the armed forces did not try to shoot down the missile from North Korea on Tuesday because they did not detect a threat to Japanese territory.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan at his official residence in Tokyo on Tuesday. “We have lodged a firm protest to North Korea,” Mr. Abe said. “We have requested an urgent meeting of the U.N. Security Council.” Credit Kimimasa Mayama/European Pressphoto Agency

But when the government detected the launch and followed the path of the missile, it warned citizens in its path to take cover — just in case any parts fell on Japan.

According to Itsunori Onodera, Japan’s defense minister, the missile launched Tuesday was very likely a Hwasong 12, which is classified as intermediate range and is fired from mobile launchers. North Korea successfully tested a Hwasong 12 in May.

The North Korean missile tests on Saturday and again on Tuesday came during joint military drills that the United States and South Korea started a week ago. For the United States and South Korea, these drills — mostly conducted on computer screens — are normal exercises. But the North calls such annual drills a rehearsal for invasion and often lashes out with weapons trials and military exercises of its own.

The United States has also been conducting joint exercises with Japanese forces for the past two weeks, and it was Japan that seemed most directly affected by Tuesday’s launch.

Speaking on national television, Mr. Abe said his government “was prepared to take all the measures to protect people’s lives.”

“We have lodged a firm protest to North Korea. We have requested an urgent meeting of the U.N. Security Council,” he added. Diplomats said the meeting would most likely be Tuesday afternoon.

The Japanese government sent a text alert to citizens about the launch and advised them to take protective cover. In a post on Mr. Abe’s Twitter account, the government confirmed that the missile was fired at 5:58 a.m. local time, before breaking into three pieces and landing about 730 miles off the coast of Cape Erimo on Hokkaido, around 6:12 a.m.

“I’m really worried about how America will react,” he said. “It’s possible that Japan could be dragged into a dangerous situation depending on how President Trump responds to this.”

A woman in Tokyo, Kaoru Kuroko, also said she had heard an alarm on her telephone soon after the missile was launched. “It was scary,” she said. “I wondered, where will the missile go to?”

South Korea said it was ready to defend itself from the North Korean threat. “North Korea must come to the negotiating table, realizing that denuclearization is its only way to ensure its security and economic development,” the South Korean Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday.

With China to the west and Russia to the north, North Korea can flight-test its mid- or intermediate-range missiles only to the south or to the east, analysts said.

“In a way, this was a hard choice to make for the North because it meant to fire the missile over Japan or toward Guam,” said Kim Yong-hyun, a professor of North Korean studies at Dongguk University in Seoul. “In the end, it chose to fire over Japan, demonstrating its capability to launch a missile to Guam but without actually launching one in that direction, which would have been a huge provocation to the United States.”

North Korea has conducted more than 80 missile tests since Mr. Kim came to power in late 2011, after the death of his father, but it has not sent any of those missiles over Japan.

Even when it flight-tested an intercontinental ballistic missile on July 28, it was launched at a highly lofted angle so that it reached an altitude of 2,300 miles. But it flew only 998 horizontal miles, falling in waters between the North and Japan. The North said at the time that it did so in order not to send its missile over a neighbor. Thus, the missile test on Tuesday was considered especially bold.

Along with South Korea, Japan and Guam would most likely be the first targets of a North Korean attack should war break out on the Korean Peninsula, analysts said. Both are home to major American military bases.

[Eric Prydz]

Zbog čega Japanezi nisu rušili taj projektil još u zraku?

[Cola1973]

Zbog toga kaj stvarnost nije kompjuterska igra.

[Eric Prydz]

Cola1973 kaže:

Zbog toga kaj stvarnost nije kompjuterska igra.

Nisam ja taj koji se hvali da može rušiti projektile koji polete iz S.Koreje, zato me zanima zbog čega nisu rušili ovu jer se postavlja što će učiniti ako Kim pošalje pravi?

[HasoMujo]

Bok svima,

Eric Prydz kaže:

Zbog čega Japanezi nisu rušili taj projektil još u zraku?

Putanja Sjevernokorejske rakete je bila takva da konvencionalne PZO rakete to nisu u stanju bile srušiti (i niti su uopće dizajnirane da to mogu raditi) iznad Japana...

Eric Prydz kaže:

Nisam ja taj koji se hvali da može rušiti projektile koji polete iz S.Koreje, zato me zanima zbog čega nisu rušili ovu jer se postavlja što će učiniti ako Kim pošalje pravi?

Te i takove rakete se mogu rušiti samo u određenim dijelovima putanje... nitko na ovome svijetu nema tehnologiju da bi se uništavale rakete duž cijele putanje...

[Ace Ventura]

Čudno.

[Eric Prydz]

Kakva korist od takvih obrambenih sustava ako je dovoljno da ovaj pošalje nuklearni projektil istom putanjom?

[HasoMujo]

Bok svima,

Eric Prydz kaže:

Kakva korist od takvih obrambenih sustava ako je dovoljno da ovaj pošalje nuklearni projektil istom putanjom?

Ako Sjeverna Koreja pošalje raketu istom putanjom ona će pet pasti tamo gdje je i sada pala - dakle ne na Japan (i biti potpuno bezopasna)...

THAAD i ostali moderni protubalistički obrambeni sustavi rade na principu presretanja kod terminalne faze kada bojeva glava prilazi cilju (i kada je najniže zemlji)...

THAAD = Terminal High Altitude Area Defense

Anti-ballistic missile defense system designed to shoot down short, medium, and intermediate range ballistic missiles in their terminal phase (descent or reentry) by intercepting with a hit-to-kill approach.

[Cola1973]

Eric Prydz kaže:

Kakva korist od takvih obrambenih sustava ako je dovoljno da ovaj pošalje nuklearni projektil istom putanjom?

Nikakva do jako mala.
Zato se nikome ni ne žuri u nuklearnu izmjenu, bez obzira na napuhavanje, jer nuklearni rat nema pobjednika.

[fgzcvijetic]

Eric Prydz kaže:

Kakva korist od takvih obrambenih sustava ako je dovoljno da ovaj pošalje nuklearni projektil istom putanjom?

Ne postavljamo samo mi takva pitanja:

Would America Have Been Able to Shoot down North Korea's Missile?
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...-missile-22109