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[karabin]

MHI je porinija drugi razarač klase Asahi. mrcina je 150m duga 18,3 široka, gaza 5,4m. priko 5000t.

https://navaltoday.com/2017/10/13/ja...r-js-shiranui/

[pinzgauer]

TOP secret technical information about new fighter jets, navy vessels, and surveillance aircraft has been stolen from an Australian defence contractor.

Hackers spent months downloading sensitive information about Australia’s warplanes, navy ships and bomb kits.

The investigation by Australian Signals Directorate (ASD) found the company had not changed its default passwords on its internet facing services.
The admin password, to enter the company’s web portal, was ‘admin’ and the guest password was ‘guest’.

“The compromise was extensive and extreme,” Mr Clarke told the Australian Information Security Association national conference in audio obtained by a freelance journalist called Stilgherrian.
“It included information on the (F-35) Joint Strike Fighter, C130 (Hercules aircraft), the P-8 Poseidon (surveillance aircraft), joint direct attack munition (JDAM smart bomb kits) and a few naval vessels.”


http://www.news.com.au/technology/on...4e45a289822ab7

Legendarno

[vn37]

U Španjolskoj pao F-18, pilot poginuo.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-18-crash.html

[webstartm]

Vec drugi avion u par dana... Lose odrzavanje ili...?

[pinzgauer]

Već otprilike 15-ti u zadnjih godinu dana...
Loš avion, a ne održavanje...to jest prestari avioni na kojima se na silu želi i dalje letjeti bez obzira na posljedice..

[otok_kiril]

pinzgauer kaže:

Već otprilike 15-ti u zadnjih godinu dana...
Loš avion, a ne održavanje...to jest prestari avioni na kojima se na silu želi i dalje letjeti bez obzira na posljedice..

Kako prestari kad su nabavljeni krajem 80-ih?

[pinzgauer]

otok_kiril kaže:

Kako prestari kad su nabavljeni krajem 80-ih?

To je više od 30 godina, što je više od service life-a.
A onda su slijedili "remonti" i Šlepovi.... pa sa originalnih 6000 sati life dignut na 10 000.
Posljedice gledamo zadnjih par godina

[karabin]

pinzgauer kaže:

To je više od 30 godina, što je više od service life-a.
A onda su slijedili "remonti" i Šlepovi.... pa sa originalnih 6000 sati life dignut na 10 000.
Posljedice gledamo zadnjih par godina

jeli u to brojiš i nezgode međika?

[pinzgauer]

Ne razumijem kakve veze ima rušenje F 18 sa Gripenom..

[otok_kiril]

pinzgauer kaže:

To je više od 30 godina, što je više od service life-a.
A onda su slijedili "remonti" i Šlepovi.... pa sa originalnih 6000 sati life dignut na 10 000.
Posljedice gledamo zadnjih par godina

Ma da, dobro što ne reče da je nakon 15 godina za otpis...

[pinzgauer]

otok_kiril kaže:

Ma da, dobro što ne reče da je nakon 15 godina za otpis...

Ma da, to sam ja izmislio...ono, palo mi napamet..

"As of July 2012, almost 30 years later, 76 percent of Marine Hornets are beyond their original design service life of 6,000 flight hours, and like any other aging platform, require a significant amount of extra work to maintain combat serviceability."
When the Hornet fleet was procured the projected lifespan of each individual aircraft was 30 years."
As the F/A-18 A-D inventory continues to fly past the original design service life, fleet operators need a structured approach to airframe inspection, repair, and maintenance. The F/A-18C program has four life-limiting criteria: flight hours, wing root fatigue life expended (WR FLE), catapults and traps, and landings. The PM manages to all of these criteria to maximize the lifetime of the aircraft fleet, but flight hours and WR FLE are the two primary life-limiting factors that result in lost aircraft. The service life of the F/A-18C is 8,000 flight hours. It cannot be assumed that each aircraft will reach 8,000 hours due to WR FLE limits.

Engineering analysis and testing of the F/A-18 program have resulted in revised service life estimates, from 6,000 flight hours to 8,000 flight hours for the A/C models, and another change is possible to 8,000 or 10,000 flight hours for the E/F models. These changes are based on the amount of fatigue life that is remaining on the aircraft at the time of inspection."

https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...rvice-life.htm

[karabin]

nije mi jasno kako ti možeš onako napamet bubnit da je to neko napamet opizdija da se produži resurs F-16,F-18, .... padali su međici i tornada i EF-ovi
stvari ako su tehničke naravi iz xy razloga ili koje nisu pokaže istraga. nisu to stvari na đemdo i iz komšijine garaže.

[otok_kiril]

pinzgauer kaže:

Ma da, to sam ja izmislio...ono, palo mi napamet..

"As of July 2012, almost 30 years later, 76 percent of Marine Hornets are beyond their original design service life of 6,000 flight hours, and like any other aging platform, require a significant amount of extra work to maintain combat serviceability."
When the Hornet fleet was procured the projected lifespan of each individual aircraft was 30 years."
As the F/A-18 A-D inventory continues to fly past the original design service life, fleet operators need a structured approach to airframe inspection, repair, and maintenance. The F/A-18C program has four life-limiting criteria: flight hours, wing root fatigue life expended (WR FLE), catapults and traps, and landings. The PM manages to all of these criteria to maximize the lifetime of the aircraft fleet, but flight hours and WR FLE are the two primary life-limiting factors that result in lost aircraft. The service life of the F/A-18C is 8,000 flight hours. It cannot be assumed that each aircraft will reach 8,000 hours due to WR FLE limits.

Engineering analysis and testing of the F/A-18 program have resulted in revised service life estimates, from 6,000 flight hours to 8,000 flight hours for the A/C models, and another change is possible to 8,000 or 10,000 flight hours for the E/F models. These changes are based on the amount of fatigue life that is remaining on the aircraft at the time of inspection."

https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...rvice-life.htm

Pa to je tako danas sa svim mogućim avionima, od F-16, pa do F-18, pa do MiG-29, a F-15 je tek priča za sebe.
Hoću reći, uz remont i održavanje se leti sasvim uredno, nije to ko da je 200 godina staro. A eto, padaju i novi Eurofighteri, 10-15 godina stari, kako smo vidjeli neki dan, pa nitko ne govori da je to prestaro...

[MadMax-]

karabin kaže:

nije mi jasno kako ti možeš onako napamet bubnit da je to neko napamet opizdija da se produži resurs F-16,F-18, .... padali su međici i tornada i EF-ovi
stvari ako su tehničke naravi iz xy razloga ili koje nisu pokaže istraga. nisu to stvari na đemdo i iz komšijine garaže.

Može biti da se i gripen 1993 srušio od starosti... ili onaj iz 1999 ... ili 2005 ili možda onaj iz 2007.

[pinzgauer]

A gle, ak je vama isto 30 godina staro i 15 godina staro, tu vam ja ne mogu pomoći
Isto tako vam ne mogu pomoći ako vam je isto jel padne 15 komada F 18 u jednoj godini ili 5-6 Eurofightera u 10 godina
A najmanje vam mogu pomoći ako vam stavim službene brojke od service life-a i maksimalnih sati resursa F 18 a vi i dalje tupite po svom.

[MadMax-]

pinzgauer kaže:

A gle, ak je vama isto 30 godina staro i 15 godina staro, tu vam ja ne mogu pomoći
Isto tako vam ne mogu pomoći ako vam je isto jel padne 15 komada F 18 u jednoj godini ili 5-6 Eurofightera u 10 godina
A najmanje vam mogu pomoći ako vam stavim službene brojke od service life-a i maksimalnih sati resursa F 18 a vi i dalje tupite po svom.

Tko je ovo stavio?
Engineering analysis and testing of the F/A-18 program have resulted in revised service life estimates, from 6,000 flight hours to 8,000 flight hours for the A/C models, and another change is possible to 8,000 or 10,000 flight hours for the E/F models. These changes are based on the amount of fatigue life that is remaining on the aircraft at the time of inspection."

[otok_kiril]

pinzgauer kaže:

A gle, ak je vama isto 30 godina staro i 15 godina staro, tu vam ja ne mogu pomoći
Isto tako vam ne mogu pomoći ako vam je isto jel padne 15 komada F 18 u jednoj godini ili 5-6 Eurofightera u 10 godina
A najmanje vam mogu pomoći ako vam stavim službene brojke od service life-a i maksimalnih sati resursa F 18 a vi i dalje tupite po svom.

Pa normalna stvar da će stariji avioni padati više i biti manje tehnički ispravni u prosjeku. To i dalje ne znači da ih nakon 30 godina treba odmah škartati. Mislim, bilo bi super kad bi se to moglo, ali 99% država ne može.

A to što je u Španjolskoj izdvajanje za obranu oko 0,9- 1,1% BDP-a i tako već godinama ( zbog krize ) naravno sa padovima nema ništa...

[pinzgauer]

"Since 2012, the number of major Navy and Marine Hornet and Super Hornet accidents — incidents causing at least $50,000 in damage and in some cases leading to injury, death or the loss of the $60 million aircraft — skyrocketed 44 percent, according to data collected by the Naval Safety Center in Norfolk, Va.

“It’s extremely clear what’s happened,” said California-based Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet pilot Lt. “Versace,” who asked to be identified by his call sign only because he was not authorized to speak on the issue. “These aircraft have reached their life span and they continue to extend their life spans for another few thousand flight hours, which hasn’t worked for them due to significant budget decreases. Yet they continue to run these jets that have caused catastrophic incidents.”"

https://www.stripes.com/news/f-a-18-...ilots-1.426688

Sve jasno .

[pinzgauer]

otok_kiril kaže:

Pa normalna stvar da će stariji avioni padati više i biti manje tehnički ispravni u prosjeku. To i dalje ne znači da ih nakon 30 godina treba odmah škartati. Mislim, bilo bi super kad bi se to moglo, ali 99% država ne može.

A to što je u Španjolskoj izdvajanje za obranu oko 0,9- 1,1% BDP-a i tako već godinama ( zbog krize ) naravno sa padovima nema ništa...

Nitko nije rekao da ih treba škartirati nego da je jasan i očit razlog zašto je palo 15 komada F 18 u roku godine dana.
Zato što im je istekao od proizvođača predviđeni service life.
Kao što F 16 prolaze strukturalne apgrejde ne bi li dulje letjeli tako će i F 18.
To nije sporno.

[otok_kiril]

pinzgauer kaže:

Nitko nije rekao da ih treba škartirati nego da je jasan i očit razlog zašto je palo 15 komada F 18 u roku godine dana.
Zato što im je istekao od proizvođača predviđeni service life.
Kao što F 16 prolaze strukturalne apgrejde ne bi li dulje letjeli tako će i F 18.
To nije sporno.

Pa to ti i kažem, moderniziraju se i sve je dobro. Pored toga, pitanje je i koliko je star konkretni avion, kakvog je resursa i je li to jedan od onih 24 što su polovni kupljeni od USN tamo u 90-im ( tko zna u kakvom stanju )...