Pet najvećih zabluda o islamu

[Tica]

efendija kaže:

Da je samo 5 zabluda to nebi bio problem.
Zabluda o Islamu ima na hiljade.

Hmm...pa ono što nije u Islamu,zaista i je, zabluda!

[Angela1990]

Tica kaže:

Hmm...pa ono što nije u Islamu,zaista i je, zabluda!

Zabluda muslimana u islamu je da Allaha kroz kuran prihvataju kao božiju riječ. Oni koji poznaju djelić Božije etičke i filozofske kvalitete u Allaha vide seljačinu kojemu je glavni užitak hrpa mesine,seks a mnogo žena i dobar ratnički provod.

Inače tvoja izjava je vrijedna u kontekstu kršćanske mudrosti : "Mudrost ovog svijeta pred Bogom je ludost".

[sjena.]

Angela1990 kaže:

Zabluda muslimana u islamu je da Allaha kroz kuran prihvataju kao božiju riječ. Oni koji poznaju djelić Božije etičke i filozofske kvalitete u Allaha vide seljačinu kojemu je glavni užitak hrpa mesine,seks a mnogo žena i dobar ratnički provod.

Daj ti malo lakše s tim izborom riječi.. eto pa nije strast, mda

[i-s-l-a-m-i-c]

Angela1990 kaže:

Zabluda muslimana u islamu je da Allaha kroz kuran prihvataju kao božiju riječ. Oni koji poznaju djelić Božije etičke i filozofske kvalitete u Allaha vide seljačinu kojemu je glavni užitak hrpa mesine,seks a mnogo žena i dobar ratnički provod.

Inače tvoja izjava je vrijedna u kontekstu kršćanske mudrosti : "Mudrost ovog svijeta pred Bogom je ludost".

Polako, uspori, udahni... Svako tvoje pitanje u vezi s islamom koje postavis, pokusat cemo odgovoriti. Svaku zelju za razgovorom - odgovorit cemo na nju koliko mozemo.

Kur'an je po svojoj definiciji Bozji govor. No, nije to tema naravno. Ova tema se zove "Pet najvecih zabluda o islamu" - kao pokretac je uzet clanak naveden u prvom postu.

A o onome sto ti vidis kao mane i slabosti muslimana, mozemo na nekoj drugoj temi poput "Zasto postoji strah od islama?". A svako pitanje koje imas o islamu, pod Top temama imas temu: "Islam 114..." pa tamo postavi pitanje.

Lijep pozdrav.

[Angela1990]

sjena. kaže:

Daj ti malo lakše s tim izborom riječi.. eto pa nije strast, mda

Dobro si primjetila da je Allahov islam jedna velika strast ponuđena ovosvjetovnom shvatanju užitaka. Primjeti samo što Allah nudi u raju.

[Angela1990]

sjena. kaže:

Daj ti malo lakše s tim izborom riječi..

Vidiš kako protuIstina boli. Samo sam reagirala na tvoju krajnje izazovnu i oholu ideju da je islamska misao mjera svim vrijednostima:

Hmm...pa ono što nije u Islamu,zaista i je, zabluda!

[Tica]

Angela1990 kaže:

Vidiš kako protuIstina boli. Samo sam reagirala na tvoju krajnje izazovnu i oholu ideju da je islamska misao mjera svim vrijednostima:

Hmm...pa ono što nije u Islamu,zaista i je, zabluda!

Vidiš da sam ti rekao, Istinu...jer kod Istine...zabluda (laž) ne može postojati

[Angela1990]

Tica kaže:

Vidiš da sam ti rekao, Istinu...jer kod Istine...zabluda (laž) ne može postojati

Ne,nisi to rekao,sad si izostavio riječ "Islam", koju si tamo spomenio i na što sam reagirala,..a tad je sasvim druga priča ,na koju sam ja reagirala sa pravom.

[Tica]

Angela1990 kaže:

Ne,nisi to rekao,sad si izostavio riječ "Islam", koju si tamo spomenio i na što sam reagirala,..a tad je sasvim druga priča ,na koju sam ja reagirala sa pravom.

Ama, imaš pravo...svakako,nego pod sinonimom 'Istina',ja podrazumjevam 'Islam'...mislim da je sve jasno...Islam=Istina...eto,ostaj u miru

[sjena.]

Angela1990 kaže:

Vidiš kako protuIstina boli. Samo sam reagirala na tvoju krajnje izazovnu i oholu ideju da je islamska misao mjera svim vrijednostima:

Hmm...pa ono što nije u Islamu,zaista i je, zabluda!

bla truć

i ti bi se razgovarala s muslimanom koji je nekada bio kršćanin ... how yes no, baš u ovom revijalnom tonu

[Angela1990]

sjena. kaže:

bla truć

i ti bi se razgovarala s muslimanom koji je nekada bio kršćanin ... how yes no, baš u ovom revijalnom tonu

Što te muči ? Zar ne vidiš da je dijalog neizbježan i to pod puno težim uvjetima. Pod mojim uvjetima stvar je puno jednostavnija i lijepša.

[Ego]

Mala skoro pa offtopic napomena, taj "članak" je čisti ripoff članka koji je objavio Cracked: 5 Ridiculous Things You Probably Believe About Islam

Toliko o tome na koliko niske grane se svelo novinarstvo u nas...

[i-s-l-a-m-i-c]

Ego kaže:

Mala skoro pa offtopic napomena, taj "članak" je čisti ripoff članka koji je objavio Cracked: 5 Ridiculous Things You Probably Believe About Islam

Toliko o tome na koliko niske grane se svelo novinarstvo u nas...

Da, ovo je vec negdje receno. Novinarstvo u nas - to je tesko uopce komentirati. A kao sto rekoh i ranije: Čak i takav "slabašan" članak - sasvim je dovoljan da iznese dovoljno podataka koje dokazuju besmislenost mnogih tvrdnji o islamu.

[sjena.]

Angela1990 kaže:

Što te muči ? Zar ne vidiš da je dijalog neizbježan i to pod puno težim uvjetima. Pod mojim uvjetima stvar je puno jednostavnija i lijepša.

Pa eto, možda netko i pristane na te tvoje uvjete, možda bih i ja kad bih imala malo više volje, ali nemam.
A i spremam se za offline sezonu

[Ajde kući]

5. Muslimanke moraju nositi veo
[/QUOTE]

Istina Islam nije uveo burke. Krščanski povjesničar prije muhameda piše o arapkinjama koje se čedno oblače. Ultra ortodoksne židovkinje pokrivaju lice.

4. Očevi osnivači Amerike ne bi tolerisali te teroriste[/QUOTE]

Benjamin Franklin Lighthouses are more useful then churces

John Adams This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it

Thomas Jeferson Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man

3. Musliman je isto što i Arapin [/QUOTE]

islam je nadnacionalan i antirasistički recimo muhamedova oproštajna propovjed.

2. Zapadnjačke kulture su puno humanije od krvoločnih muslimana [/QUOTE]

Differences Between Muhammad and Jesus

Muhammad...
Jesus...

Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.

Said God loves everyone.


I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"

"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."

Stoned women for adultery.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Permitted stealing from unbelievers.

"Thou shalt not steal."


Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.

Beheaded no one.


Murdered those who insulted him.

Preached forgiveness.

If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him

If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also

Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"

Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.

Was celibate.

Slept with a 9-year-old child.

Did not have sex with children.

Ordered the murder of women.

Never harmed a woman.

Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.

Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.

Killed captives taken in battle.


Never took captives. Never killed anyone.

Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.

Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.


Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.


"The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve."


And fight them until there is no more persecution
and religion is only for Allah


Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you


Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.


Washed his disciples feet.


What are the Greatest Commandments?
Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause


Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself.



Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.

Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.

Advocated crucifying others.

Was crucified himself.


Differences Between
Early Muslims and Early Christians

Muhammad's Companions...
Jesus' Disciples...

Lived as warriors.
Lived like harmless hippies.

Emphasis on Jihad (the way of Muhammad)
"He who fights that Allah's word should
be superior fights in Allah's cause"

Emphasis on Evangelism (the way of Jesus)
"Go ye into all the world and preach
the gospel to every creature"

Attacked and conquered the populations in
parts of 28 modern countries in just the first
three decades following Muhammad's death.

Did not resort to violence of any sort,
despite tremendous persecution.

Declared holy war on the people of five
major world religions in just the first
100 years following Muhammad's death.

Went centuries without declaring 'holy war'.

Plundered and lived off the wealth of others.

Gave away their possessions to those in need.

Captured and enslaved non-Muslim people.

Considered themselves to be slaves of others.

"Martyred" in battle.

Martyred from persecution.

Put apostates to death.

No record of aggression toward apostates.

Muhammad's own family members quickly
fell into armed warfare against each other.

Jesus' disciples never resorted to violence
against one another (or anyone else).

First 240 Years:
11 of the first 32 caliphs were
murdered by fellow Muslims.

First 240 Years:
14 of the first 25 popes were martyred by
pagans (none by fellow Christians).

Caliphs were polygamous and maintained harems of hundreds of captured sex slaves.

Popes were expected to be celibate.


Differences Between
Islamic Teaching and Christianity

The Qur'an

The Bible

External sources (the Hadith and Sira) necessary for translating the Qur'an
Historical context contained within the text of the Bible

Must know Arabic in order to "fully understand" the Qur'an (according to Muslim apologists)

Bible is universal. Can be translated into other languages without excessive commentary.


Contains not a single original moral value.

Bible has the 'Sermon on the Mount' and others.

Privilege
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Servitude
"If anyone wants to be first, he must make himself last of all and servant of all."



Punishment
"Let not compassion move you..."
(Qur'an 4:24)

Mercy
"Love is patient. Love is kind...
It keeps no record of wrongs"
(1 Corinthians 13:4-5)

The Qur'an does not command husbands
to love their wives, but it does give men
permission to beat disobedient women

"Husbands, love your wives and
do not be harsh with them."



Warns Against Questioning Faith.
(Qur'an 5:101-102)

Welcomes Intellectual Challenge.
(1 Peter 3:15)

Violence as Virtue
"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye
dislike it. But it is possible that ye
dislike a thing which is good for you, and
that ye love a thing which is bad for you.
But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
(Qur'an 2:216)

Violence as Sin
"Do not take revenge, my friends, but
leave room for God's wrath, for it is written:
'It is mine to avenge; I will repay,' says the Lord. On the contrary: 'If your enemy
is hungry, feed him... '"
(Romans 12:19-20)


Taking wealth from others
"Allah promiseth you much
booty that ye will capture..."
(Qur'an 48:20)

Working for and giving wealth to others
"The thief must no longer steal but must
work hard and do what is good with his
own hands, so that he might have
something to give to the needy."
(Ephesians 4:28)

Calls down Allah's curse on Christians
and those of other religions.
(Qur'an 9:30)

Calls down God's blessing on
those who curse Christians.
(Matthew 5:44)


"O you who believe! do not take My
enemy and your enemy for friends:
Would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth?


"Love your enemies..."



Muslim Legacy

Christian Legacy

Countries that Muslims want to escape from.
Countries that Muslims want to escape to.


Suicide bombings for Allah.
No suicide bombings for Jesus

International terror organizations.
International charities.

No formal charities for non-Muslims.
Leading provider of disaster relief to Muslims.

Murder of aid workers.
Supply of aid workers.

Modern-day slavery in the name of Islam.
Abolition in the name of Christianity.

Muslim clerics who engage in or condone terrorism.
Christian clerics murdered each year by terror groups rife with Muslim clerics.

Daily religious violence against Hindus.
None.

Daily religious violence against Jews.
None.

Daily religious violence against Buddhists.
None.

Daily religious violence against Muslims.
None.

Censorship
Freedom of speech

Intolerance for criticism of Islam.
Tolerance for religious dissent.

Restricting other religions from preaching faith.
Allowing all religions the same right to evangelize.

Conversions allowed to Islam only.
Freedom of conscience.

Most famous Muslim: Osama bin Laden.
Most famous Christian: John paul II.

1. Islam je još uvijek u Srednjem vijeku [/QUOTE]

Istina zlatno doba islama je zaduzilo svjet s mnogim napredcimau matematici, znanosti, medicini, književnošću, filozofiji i teologiji. Ali sto je islam donio nakon zlatnog doba? Jedno veliko NIŠTA!

[Tica]

Ovo je za kartona (ako prođeš s' žutim,na konju si)

Hmm,svaka se škola plača

Ajde doma....kaže:Istina zlatno doba islama je zaduzilo svjet s mnogim napredcimau matematici, znanosti, medicini, književnošću, filozofiji i teologiji. Ali sto je islam donio nakon zlatnog doba? Jedno veliko NIŠTA!
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Pa sigurno nije donjeo...atomsku bombu, razne hemijske otrove,kao ni nuklerne elektrane a o vrstama bolesti...nebi ni spominjao...ili želiš da nastavim navodit...

[Ajde kući]

Tica kaže:

Ovo je za kartona (ako prođeš s' žutim,na konju si)

Hmm,svaka se škola plača

karton? zasto? jer kritiziram islam? ou nije ti ovo saudijska arabija imam pravo govoriti istinu a istina boli

[i-s-l-a-m-i-c]

Ajde kući kaže:

karton? zasto? jer kritiziram islam? ou nije ti ovo saudijska arabija imam pravo govoriti istinu a istina boli

Ne, nego zbog nepreglednosti, nedostatka prijevoda i jos mnogih stvari... Fino poredaj, prevedi, formiraj tvrdnje a zatim razgovor o istima nece biti nikakav problem, a iz toga ces izvuci jos jednu korist - neces biti pod opasnoscu od kartona.

Naravno, ne zelim se mijesati u posao moderatora (mozda oni ne smatraju tvoj post nepreglednim ili neprihvatljivim po nekoj drugoj osnovi) vec mi je zelja pojasniti ti zasto je uopce tvoj post upitne kvalitete.

Lijep pozdrav.

[i-s-l-a-m-i-c]

Ma ne bi to sve skupa bio nikakav problem, prosao sam ove njegove tvrdnje (hvala Uzvisenom na poznavanju vise jezika) - moze se na njih odgovoriti, na njih se odgovara vec duze vrijeme na ovom forumu ali se te tvrdnje uvijek iznova navedu i onda opet pojasnjavaju i opet navedu pa sve tako u krug. No, kazem, ni to ne bi bio problem. Samo ih treba malkice poredati, formirati u normalan dijalog, zadrzati neki nivo, zauzeti manje ratoboran stav i jednostavno biti voljan za razgovor.

Samim iznosenjem ovih tvrdnji on nama ustvari pomaze. Daje priliku da se na njih odgovori jer mnogo ljudi u svom neznanju misli ovo sto on navodi.. Jedino sto mu nedostaje jeste - uobliciti te tvrdnje, potkrijepiti ih ukratko a to zahtijeva odustajanje od principa "copy-paste". Ako se odluci na uoblicavanje i bolje formiranje svojih tvrdnji, predlazem mu da otvori novu temu jer ovo je tema o clanku iz prvog posta te tvrdnjama tog clanka.

Pozdrav.

[i-s-l-a-m-i-c]

Ajde kući kaže:

A kako ces molim te opravdati ove činjenice? ne namjeravam ja tu voditi nikakvu raspravu ja sam iznio neoborive činjenice. Sve sto mozete je piskarati gluposti o islamofobiji i uzimanju stvari iz konteksta.

Drago mi je da si radoznao kako bi se na to sve odgovorilo. Molim te, uoblici u kraci post, prevedi tvrdnje da postanu dostupnije nekome tko se eventualno ne sluzi engleskim jezikom, prebaci u novu temu (da ne gusimo ovu temu, osim ako administratori preporucuju nastavak rasprave ovdje - (ocitovanje, molim, o ovih nekoliko postova na ovoj temi)) i onda cemo krenuti, ti i ja zajedno, pa ce nam se ostali prikljuciti putem.

Radujem se razgovoru.

Lijep pozdrav.