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Old 19.02.2018., 18:11   #1881
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Pa si se zato ti "strucnjak" javio da nam objasnis sve prednosti PAK FA hahahha

Rusi su sami govorili, a vi linkali te clanke, kakp ce za duplo manje vremena i 10 puta manje novaca napravit jedno 3 puta bolji avion...pa su sada pojeli govno. Njima jos jednino ostaje pricat o svemocnosti S10000 koji nigdje nije provjeren u borbi kao niti jedan prije njega
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Old 19.02.2018., 22:10   #1882
Imas ih sve na temi PAK FA gdje ste taj avion, nikad u potpunosti testiran, dizali u nebesa. Od toga kako samo sto nije usao u proizvodnju i time nadmasio F35 za zilion godina prije pa na dalje...tako da si te fore sa "daj mi link" okaci macku o rep.
Vas svemocni avion je pao u vodu i bit ce ocito nesto najgore u istoriji svetske avijacije
Moci ce radit kobru u prazno, dok ga f35 sa xy kilometara bude rusio bez da pilot zna sta ga je snaslo. Kanta ce srusit kanturinu
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Old 19.02.2018., 23:47   #1883
Ajmo bit štovatelji činjenica, dakle razumni ljudi a ne Hrvati.
Ameri lete stealth avionima već 20 i kusur godina, redom F-117 (1983), B-2 (1997), F-22(2005) i sada tri varijante F-35 (od 2015).
Rusi pokušavaju nakon 18 godina započeti serijsku proizvodnju svog prvog stealth lovca Su-57 ljeta gospodnjeg 2018. Za sad imaju 10 prototipova. Obećavajuće.
Sjetimo se da su Ameri u tekmi za novog nevidljivog lovca nakon F-117 razvili dva vrhunska aviona YF22 i 23, od kojih je pobijedio F-22, nakon četverogodišnje utrke.
Ako je netko sazrio po pitanju nevidljivosti, onda su to sigurno Ameri. Ni Rusi, ni Francuzi, ni Kinezi. Tzv "puni stealth" je užasno skupa i komplicirana tehnologija, i zapravo vam treba barem 20 godina i gomila para da stignete Amere - tamo gdje su oni bili prije 20 godina.
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Old 20.02.2018., 00:05   #1884
Prvi americki stealth avion je SR-71 iz ranih 60tih.
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Old 20.02.2018., 00:08   #1885
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Prvi americki stealth avion je SR-71 iz ranih 60tih.
Znam ja to majstore, ali ljudi ne znaju.
I da je Kos bio tako nevidljiv, nebi trebao biti tako jako brz, jelda?
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Old 20.02.2018., 00:13   #1886
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Znam ja to majstore, ali ljudi ne znaju.
I da je Kos bio tako nevidljiv, nebi trebao biti tako jako brz, jelda?
Istrazivanja su pokazala da je idealna kombinacija za prezivljavanje iznad SSSRa bila brzina i visina u kombinaciji sa smanjenim radarskim odrazom, tako da obrana nema vremena za reagirati. No, nisu mogli simulirati strujanje toplog zraka i ispuha aviona na Mach 3+ sto je na kraju radilo najveci odraz, a ne sam zmaj aviona. Pokusalo se navodno cezijem smanjiti odraz ispuha.
Inace, sama geneza stealtha je U-2 program jer su Ameri bili iznenadjeni cinjenicom da Sovjeti mogu pratiti U-2, pa se krenulo u razvoj premaza a stavljane su i zice po trupu, ali je gubitak visine bio preveliki danak za percipirani manji RCS pa se odustalo od toga
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Old 20.02.2018., 00:26   #1887
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Istrazivanja su pokazala da je idealna kombinacija za prezivljavanje iznad SSSRa bila brzina i visina u kombinaciji sa smanjenim radarskim odrazom, tako da obrana nema vremena za reagirati. No, nisu mogli simulirati strujanje toplog zraka i ispuha aviona na Mach 3+ sto je na kraju radilo najveci odraz, a ne sam zmaj aviona. Pokusalo se navodno cezijem smanjiti odraz ispuha.
Inace, sama geneza stealtha je U-2 program jer su Ameri bili iznenadjeni cinjenicom da Sovjeti mogu pratiti U-2, pa se krenulo u razvoj premaza a stavljane su i zice po trupu, ali je gubitak visine bio preveliki danak za percipirani manji RCS pa se odustalo od toga
Sve štima. U-2 je pokrenuo priču sa tehnologijom smanjeg odraza, ali nakon što je Garry Powers skinut na nekih 25 km raketom Sa-2 davne 1960. letovi U-2 su ubrzo ukinuti. SR-71 nije mogao uhvatiti nitko. Sad razvijaju novi, SR-72, koji će premašiti karakteristike legendarnog prethodnika.
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Old 20.02.2018., 00:31   #1888
Pa necemo saznati je li ili nije mogao nitko uhvatiti jer su nakon Powersa zabranili prelete SSSR-a, iako se nastavilo nadlijetati Kinu, Vijetnam, Kubu i sl i na avione je ispaljivano jako puno raketa a postoji samo jedan zabiljezeni slucaj "pogotka" kad je fragment jedne od raketa nadjen u jednom od spojeva na zmaju aviona nakon sto je sletio.
Inace, Englezi su prvi sa Canberrom poceli specificno nadlijetati SSSR i to za potrebe USAF-a, nadlijetali su i Jugoslaviju u nekim letovima. Ima i tu zanimljivih slucajeva
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Old 20.02.2018., 10:26   #1889
Inače, zanimljive ideje za avione s malim radarskim odrazom su dolazile i iz Boeinga iz 1960ih te iz Convaira iz kraja 50ih Posebice je Convairov dizajn zanimljiv, kao gubitnik protiv Lockheedovog A-12, iako je imao osjetno manji radarski odraz, čak toliko da su neki sumnjali da ovi muljaju.

Kako god, izvjesno je da se nemala količina znanja o tome što u kojoj mjeri utječe na radarski odraz akumulirala već i u to vrijeme. Samo tada baš i nisu znali kako pomiriti te konstruktorske zahtjeve, stečene metodom pokušaja i pogreške, sa ostalim operativnim zahtjevima koje su avioni morali ispuniti.
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Old 20.02.2018., 11:55   #1890
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Ajmo bit štovatelji činjenica, dakle razumni ljudi a ne Hrvati.
Ameri lete stealth avionima već 20 i kusur godina, redom F-117 (1983), B-2 (1997), F-22(2005) i sada tri varijante F-35 (od 2015).
Rusi pokušavaju nakon 18 godina započeti serijsku proizvodnju svog prvog stealth lovca Su-57 ljeta gospodnjeg 2018. Za sad imaju 10 prototipova. Obećavajuće.
Sjetimo se da su Ameri u tekmi za novog nevidljivog lovca nakon F-117 razvili dva vrhunska aviona YF22 i 23, od kojih je pobijedio F-22, nakon četverogodišnje utrke.
Ako je netko sazrio po pitanju nevidljivosti, onda su to sigurno Ameri. Ni Rusi, ni Francuzi, ni Kinezi. Tzv "puni stealth" je užasno skupa i komplicirana tehnologija, i zapravo vam treba barem 20 godina i gomila para da stignete Amere - tamo gdje su oni bili prije 20 godina.
Prosto ko pasulj.
Al kad je jedini argument rusofila da ameri bacaju novac u peć, da imaju velike place a niko nista ne radi, pa avioni nista ne valjaju itd.
Naravno da "ne valjaju" kad testovi moraju pokazat da su doista dobri. A rusim avionima ne trebaju ni testovi ni mjerenja...njima je dovoljno da imaju novinare koji pisu kako su to svemocne masine za 10 puta manje novaca i jedno upola manje vremena za razvoj i rusofile koji nasjedaju na tu propagandu i sire je okolo. Uza sve to imamo i naravno visok stupanj demokracije i slobode govora u americi koja je "dokaz" da ti avioni nisu dobri, a kritike dolaze i iz suprotstavljenih tabora. U rusiji, su svi istog misljenja da je Pak Fa najbolji avion ikad i da nema nikakvih mana. Ako ih i ima...onda su to sitnice koje se gumicom prebrisu. Naravno da neki pilot popljuje Pak Fa..zavrsio bi na dnu Volge
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Old 24.02.2018., 08:13   #1891
Japan planira naručiti dodatnih 25 F-35A naručiti povrh 42 već naručena, također planiraju naručiti i F-35B za nosače helikoptera.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/220...s#.WpEP4-fTUx4

Meni se pari da će ovo biti najprodavaniji zrakoplov u 21 stoljeću.
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Old 24.02.2018., 11:26   #1892
Moguće i zato što je to jedini avion 5. generacije koji smiju kupit.

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Old 24.02.2018., 11:36   #1893
Ruski avion 5.generacije postoji ocito samo u maketi. Pa ako indijci razmisljaju da ga se odreknu, a ipak o tome avionu znaju malo vise od nasih forumskih experata...onda je jasno koliko je to sranje od aviona.

Da taj avion icemu valja, onda bi se mogla cuti i pokoja kritika od nekog pilota u Rusiji. Da icemu valja, ne bi morali pisati hvalospjeve po novinama kako je bolji od F35, a ima ih tek 9 ili 10...to su valjda makete ili sta vec

Kazem ti...avion F35 ce se prodavat kao Golf. Sve avione ce se testirat do jaja, tako da kao sto je Pizvo jednom napisao...cak i da ne valja, kroz milijardu testova, na kraju ce ispast dobar avion, i ameri ce dobro zaradit.
Dok se rusofili njima smiju kako je to najskuplji avion u povijesti, a draga im rusija zivi u bijedi i siromastvu, ameri trljaju ruke, jer su dobili brdo love, narudzbi, sati naleta, koje ce na duge staze znacit neprocjenjivo znanje i iskustvo aviona 5.generacije, sto ce biti podloga za avion 6.generacije. Imati jedini avion 5.generacije, (kakav god on bio) im daje MONOPOL na prodaju aviona, i hrpu testova i nikakve sanse da izgube lovu, nego samo da dobiju iliti da postavljaju svoje uvjete. Znaci, boli ih mudo labudovo.
A rusima ostavljaju da pune novinske stupce sa "svemocnim" Pak Fa
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Old 07.03.2018., 15:59   #1894
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http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35...weapons-combat

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F-35 Finally Can Use All Its Weapons In Combat

05 Mar 2018 Lara Seligman

"The newest U.S. Air Force F-35s, both stateside at Hill AFB, Utah, and overseas in the Pacific, finally can employ the stealth fighter’s full suite of air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons in combat. The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) has delivered the flight clearances, simulators, threat information, and logistics system required for the Air Force’s F-35As equipped with the latest software load to employ all of its weapons throughout the full flight envelope, according to the JPO, Lockheed Martin and Air Force officials.

This milestone gives the Block 3F-configured F-35As assigned to the 34th Fighter Squadron stationed at Hill and those forward-deployed to Kadena Air Base, Japan—on North Korea’s doorstep—some lethal capabilities. The aircraft now can fire Raytheon’s short-range AIM-9X Sidewinder missile, the GAU-22 25mm gun, and Boeing’s precision-guided Small Diameter Bomb, all while flying up to 9Gs at 1.6 Mach.

The F-35A touched down in Kadena for its first operational deployment to the Pacific in November, a highly anticipated milestone that underlines the U.S. military’s commitment to allies in the region amid tensions over North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.

The “Rude Rams” F-35As join the “Green Knights” F-35Bs of Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, which is permanently stationed at Iwakuni, Japan, significantly increasing the number of stealth F-35s in the region. The 12 F-35As from Hill will be deployed to Kadena until May, a six-month rotation, as part of U.S. Pacific Command’s theater security package.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Marine Corps short takeoff, vertical-landing F-35B and U.S. Navy F-35C carrier variant configured with the 3F software will be able to deploy with their full operational capability in May and June, respectively, F-35 Program Executive Officer (PEO) Vice Adm. Mat Winter said during a Feb. 28 media roundtable. For the F-35Cs, this means the aircraft will be able to deploy Raytheon’s AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) in combat and fly to 1.3 [?] Mach.

There is one caveat—the final 3F simulator capability has been broken into two releases, Lockheed’s Executive Vice President for Aeronautics Orlando Carvalho said in a March 5 interview. The first release has been delivered for the 3F F-35As, he said. Even though the F-35’s long development phase finally is drawing to a close, the JPO and Lockheed will continue working to modernize the aircraft with an updated threat library, logistics system and simulators, Winter said..."
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Old 08.03.2018., 22:08   #1895
Mislim da se aim-9x ne može nositi u unutarnjem spremniku jer mora biti vani da se zakači za cilj, plus direktno kreće s lansera.
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Old 15.03.2018., 09:19   #1896
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Mislim da se aim-9x ne može nositi u unutarnjem spremniku jer mora biti vani da se zakači za cilj, plus direktno kreće s lansera.
U pravu si, Sidewinder ide na vanjski nosač. U unutarnjem spremniku nosi samo dva AIM-120C, plus dvije bombe po cca tonu.
Jasno je da je tu Raptor daleko ispred s unutarnjim spremnikom za osam raketa.
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Old 15.03.2018., 13:25   #1897
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Vezano za prijašnju vijest...

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http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35...weapons-combat

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F-35 Finally Can Use All Its Weapons In Combat

05 Mar 2018 Lara Seligman

"The newest U.S. Air Force F-35s, both stateside at Hill AFB, Utah, and overseas in the Pacific, finally can employ the stealth fighter’s full suite of air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons in combat. The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) has delivered the flight clearances, simulators, threat information, and logistics system required for the Air Force’s F-35As equipped with the latest software load to employ all of its weapons throughout the full flight envelope, according to the JPO, Lockheed Martin and Air Force officials.

This milestone gives the Block 3F-configured F-35As assigned to the 34th Fighter Squadron stationed at Hill and those forward-deployed to Kadena Air Base, Japan—on North Korea’s doorstep—some lethal capabilities. The aircraft now can fire Raytheon’s short-range AIM-9X Sidewinder missile, the GAU-22 25mm gun, and Boeing’s precision-guided Small Diameter Bomb, all while flying up to 9Gs at 1.6 Mach.

The F-35A touched down in Kadena for its first operational deployment to the Pacific in November, a highly anticipated milestone that underlines the U.S. military’s commitment to allies in the region amid tensions over North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.

The “Rude Rams” F-35As join the “Green Knights” F-35Bs of Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, which is permanently stationed at Iwakuni, Japan, significantly increasing the number of stealth F-35s in the region. The 12 F-35As from Hill will be deployed to Kadena until May, a six-month rotation, as part of U.S. Pacific Command’s theater security package.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Marine Corps short takeoff, vertical-landing F-35B and U.S. Navy F-35C carrier variant configured with the 3F software will be able to deploy with their full operational capability in May and June, respectively, F-35 Program Executive Officer (PEO) Vice Adm. Mat Winter said during a Feb. 28 media roundtable. For the F-35Cs, this means the aircraft will be able to deploy Raytheon’s AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) in combat and fly to 1.3 [?] Mach.

There is one caveat—the final 3F simulator capability has been broken into two releases, Lockheed’s Executive Vice President for Aeronautics Orlando Carvalho said in a March 5 interview. The first release has been delivered for the 3F F-35As, he said. Even though the F-35’s long development phase finally is drawing to a close, the JPO and Lockheed will continue working to modernize the aircraft with an updated threat library, logistics system and simulators, Winter said..."
Ovo su bili testovi koji su, očigledno, zadovoljili i doveli do gornje objave...

http://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Artic...ccuracy-tests/

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F-35 testers wrap up Weapons Delivery Accuracy tests

By Kenji Thuloweit, 412th Test Wing Public Affairs
Published December 19, 2017



EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. --

Testers from the 461st Flight Test Squadron and F-35 Integrated Test Force (ITF) completed a major test milestone bringing the F-35 Lightning II’s full combat capabilities closer to the battlefield. Weapons Delivery Accuracy (WDA) flight tests began in July 2013 and testing wrapped up earlier this month. The WDA portion of the F-35 developmental test and evaluation mission ensures the fifth-generation fighter’s weapons system can deliver lethal ordnance both air-to-air and air-to-ground using the jet’s warfighting Block 3F software. The ITF used all three F-35 variants and delivered air-to-air missiles including AIM-120s, the AIM-9X and the United Kingdom’s Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile. The WDA tests also confirmed air-to-ground delivery of the Paveway IV laser-guided bomb, GBU-39 small diameter bomb, GBU-12, GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munition and the AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon. “Weapons delivery accuracy tests are important, because without proof that the F-35 can actually drop these weapons where we need them to go, then the F-35 is just an information-gathering system,” said Lt. Col. Tucker Hamilton, 461st FLTS commander and F-35 ITF director. “The F-35 proved it was extremely capable in delivering these weapons where we wanted it and how we wanted it delivered. These are the most complicated and intricate missions that we had and the jet did extremely well.” Hamilton said the air-to-air accuracy tests finished in August with air-to-ground tests ending in October.

The F-35 ITF then capped off WDA tests by completing testing on the F-35’s GAU-22 25mm gun at the beginning of December 2017. The WDA gun tests included the Air Force’s A variant where the gun is internal carried and on the Marine Corps’ and Navy’s B and C variants, which employ a gun pod beneath the jet. Each weapon test required multiple missions including software development, “dry runs” and then the actual weapon release. Not including the gun, Hamilton said the F-35 ITF delivered 55 weapons during WDA testing, which was mainly done over the military sea range off the California coast and at Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake in California.

Maj. Jonathan Gilbert, 461st FLTS, completed the final air-to-ground WDA test as a new test pilot to the F-35 Integrated Test Force. “I didn't even know it was a milestone, I just knew I was dropping a weapon,” said Gilbert. “It wasn't until after that I felt the excitement from the team and the squadron to close out the WDA program. It is a credit to the team and the planning as it did not appear this would be achievable in the time the squadron accomplished it in, but yet they were able to complete it. I just had the pleasure of dropping the last one.” Hamilton said the F-35 Joint Program Office analyzes the data from all the WDA tests and any upgrades to the F-35 mission systems software will be sent out to the F-35 operational fleet. “When they get their 3F software, the one that is going to be productionized for full 3F capability, [the fleet] will be confident they can load these weapons and drop them on the target they’re selecting,” Hamilton said.

The F-35 Integrated Test Force, operating at both Edwards AFB and at Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland, continues to conduct developmental flight test for the Defense Department’s F-35 Joint Program Office. Ongoing testing at Edwards AFB includes mission effectiveness testing, suppression of enemy air defenses, maritime interdiction, and offensive and defensive air-to-air combat testing. “The ITF takes these extremely challenging and intricate data requirements and then finds a way to coordinate with multiple outside agencies, drones, tankers, ranges and basically conduct these missions and make them happen in a historical manner,” said Hamilton. “No one before them has ever been able to pull off executing weapons deliveries like the individuals in the ITF.”
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Old 15.03.2018., 13:40   #1898
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U pravu si, Sidewinder ide na vanjski nosač. U unutarnjem spremniku nosi samo dva AIM-120C, plus dvije bombe po cca tonu.
Jasno je da je tu Raptor daleko ispred s unutarnjim spremnikom za osam raketa.
Pretpostavlja se da će "Block 5" moći imati po tri oružja po unutarnjem spremniku (dakle 6 manjih sveukupno = 6 A2A oružja je moguće)...
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Old 15.03.2018., 13:56   #1899
To sa 6 amraama unutra je još papirnata opcija, nebudžetirano od strane ijednog korisnika. Davnih dana se to spominjalo još i za block 4, no kad će i hoće li to zapravo doći, valja vidjeti. Da ne završi na kraju kao i vanjski spremnici goriva - planirani, no nikad integrirani. Evo nedavno bio članak o mogućoj eskalaciji cijena za block 4 dodatke... http://www.janes.com/article/78443/p...-modernisation
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Old 13.04.2018., 19:09   #1900
Eto i to došlo, zadnji razvojni testni let, nakon 12 godina:

https://navaltoday.com/2018/04/13/f-...l-test-flight/
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