Arheologija

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Arseface kaže:

Nisam znao ....
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Dobio si priliku argumentirano diskutirati i nisi je iskoristio.

Što se mene tiče, ovdje svaka rasprava s tobom prestaje.

EOD

[memulica]

Basta kaže:

Je li itko na ovoj temi spomenuo da su Japanci i ekvadorski Indijanci u genetskom srodstvu?

Malo smo zaboravni, pa evo i link na sličan post od prije nekoliko mjeseci:

https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=2529

Ne znam jeste li spominjali genetsku vezu između Japana i Ekvadora? Ako niste, evo:

[Basta]

A eto.

[Arseface]

memulica kaže:

Dobio si priliku argumentirano diskutirati i nisi je iskoristio.

Što se mene tiče, ovdje svaka rasprava s tobom prestaje.

EOD

O hvala na prilici

Što sam treba argumentirat točno?
Neke tvoje teze koje si umislio da su moje

Rekoh prestani lupat nogom o pod pa citiraj što sam trebao argumentirat


Il da argumentiram kao ti:
Link
Quote iz linka
Generička rečenica i emoji: Joj profesori

Kmek

Edit:
U biti nemoj ništa quotat jer mi od sad ideš na ignor

[memulica]

'Clovis first' teza je i službeno pokopana zauvijek.

Sad je predložena teza o morskoj migraciji.





Naravno sad fantaziraju o nekakvoj obalnoj migraciji i (ponovo) kompletno zanemaruju puno starije nalaze u unutrašnjosti.

Znači za cca 50 godina će promjenit priču, opet izvlačit stare papire iz ladica i vikat EUREKA.

Onako odoka trebat će skoro 100 godina, da se proguta konačno prava istina.

Termin 'napredak u znanosti' postaje pravi oksimoron.

orginal dokument:
DOI: 10.1126/science.aao5473

In a dramatic intellectual turnabout, most archaeologists and other scholars now believe that the earliest Americans followed
Pacific Rim shorelines from northeast Asia to Beringia and the Americas (8).
According to the kelp highway hypothesis, deglaciation of the outer coast of North America’s Pacific Northwest ~17,000 years ago created a possible dispersal corridor rich in aquatic and terrestrial resources along the Pacific Coast, with productive kelp forest and estuarine ecosystems at sea level and no major geographic barriers

[Bjesomar_]

memulica kaže:

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Onako odoka trebat će skoro 100 godina, da se proguta konačno prava istina.

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Koja je to prava istina?

[Arseface]

To je ona za koju on veliki istraźivač rekne da je prava

[Bjesomar_]

Pa dobro, koja je ta?

[memulica]

Veća sam pisao o puno starijim nalazištima, a koja se nalaze duboko u untrašnjosti oba kontinenta.

Istina leži još dalje u prošlosti, ali znanstvenici (zasad) ne vjeruju u nju.

Velike promjene u znanosti nastaju naglom promjenom vjerovanja, a ne postupnim opažanjima i prikupljanjem čvrstih dokaza.

[Bjesomar_]

memulica kaže:

Veća sam pisao o puno starijim nalazištima, a koja se nalaze duboko u untrašnjosti oba kontinenta.

Istina leži još dalje u prošlosti, ali znanstvenici (zasad) ne vjeruju u nju.

Velike promjene u znanosti nastaju naglom promjenom vjerovanja, a ne postupnim opažanjima i prikupljanjem čvrstih dokaza.

Po ovome sto pises, ocito je da znas sto je prava istina.
Nemoj nam govoriti da lezi jos dalje u unutrasnjosti kontinenata nego nam reci kakva je to istina?

[Eneja iz Elama]

Zamak na dnu jezera u Turskoj, odnosno Aziji Minor

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Bjesomar_ kaže:

Po ovome sto pises, ocito je da znas sto je prava istina.
Nemoj nam govoriti da lezi jos dalje u unutrasnjosti kontinenata nego nam reci kakva je to istina?

Istina leži na drugoj strani ledenog zida, a to znači da su ljudi puunooo prije nastanili obje Amerike.

Tu činjenicu je vrlo teško probavit, jer ona pobija cijeli niz teza iz više područja znanosti.

Zapravo ruši cijeli izmaštani/lažni svijet prošlosti ljudske vrste.


PS
nije me bilo na forumu neko vrijeme, pa nisam stigao prije odogovoriti.

[tonijel]

Malo kipica iz Turske s planine Nemrut.
Mount Nemrut

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Iza tih kipova se nalazi umjetno brdo od smrvljenog kamena. Procjena ide na cca 50 000 m3 materijala.

Valjda su kuckali kamen o kamen tisućama godina ili su možda ipak ....

[memulica]

Opet našli nešto puno starije od onog što piše u 'svetim spisima'

Nakon što je srušena Clovis hipoteza, sad je na redu afrička hipoteza o prvim migracijama ljudi.

Svako malo upućen zna da ona sada leži na još klimavijim temeljima i zasniva se na pustom vjerovanju i slobodnim interpretacijama tj. bajkama.

Ovaj put su našli kamene alate u Indiji.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...ca-hypothesis/

Ancient tools found in India undermine the “out of Africa” hypothesis
385,000-year-old evidence for much earlier meetings between African and Indian hominins.

Scientists have unveiled an extraordinary new analysis of thousands of stone tools found at a site called Attirampakkam in India, northwest of Chennai in Tamil Nadu. Thanks to new dating techniques, a team led by archaeologist Shanti Pappu determined that most of the tools are between 385,000 and 172,000 years old. What makes these dates noteworthy is that they upend the idea that tool-making was transformed in India after an influx of modern Homo sapiens came from Africa starting about 130,000 years ago.

Evo i orginalni dokument (PDF):
DOI: 10.1038/nature25444

ABSTRACT

Luminescence dating at the stratified prehistoric site of Attirampakkam, India, has shown that processes signifying the end of the Acheulian culture and the emergence of a Middle Palaeolithic culture occurred at 385 ± 64 thousand years ago (ka), much earlier than conventionally presumed for South Asia1. The Middle Palaeolithic continued at Attirampakkam until 172 ± 41 ka.
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[tonijel]

memulica kaže:

Iza tih kipova se nalazi umjetno brdo od smrvljenog kamena. Procjena ide na cca 50 000 m3 materijala.

Valjda su kuckali kamen o kamen tisućama godina ili su možda ipak ....

Kolko vidim po 'dizajnu' kamenih glava tamo nadjenih, rekao bi da je isti majstor i/ili ista tehnologija kao i za one kipove u egiptu.

[memulica]

Po dizajnu su sličniji grčkim ili sumerskim skulpturama.

'Službeni sveti spisi' govore da je tu i grobnica Antioha Prvog; kralja Komagene.
Zapravo tamo nije nađena nikakva grobnica, ali to su nevažne sitinice

Najvjerovatnije je to prastaro svetište/spomenik dalekih predaka, koje je obnovljeno od strane Antioha.

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Younger Dryas Impact hipoteza je dobila i 'službeni pečat', pa sad o njoj možete pisati i na PDF Prirodne znanosti bez ismijavanja ili kazni


Evo i osvrt na znanstvenom portalu:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0201173251.htm

Toward end of Ice Age, human beings witnessed fires larger than dinosaur killers

On a ho-hum day some 12,800 years ago, the Earth had emerged from another ice age. Things were warming up, and the glaciers had retreated.

Out of nowhere, the sky was lit with fireballs. This was followed by shock waves.

Fires rushed across the landscape, and dust clogged the sky, cutting off the sunlight. As the climate rapidly cooled, plants died, food sources were snuffed out, and the glaciers advanced again. Ocean currents shifted, setting the climate into a colder, almost "ice age" state that lasted an additional thousand years.

Finally, the climate began to warm again, and people again emerged into a world with fewer large animals and a human culture in North America that left behind completely different kinds of spear points.

This is the story supported by a massive study of geochemical and isotopic markers just published in the Journal of Geology.

Studija je toliko opširna, pa je objavljena u dva dijela.

prvi dio (PDF)
DOI: 10.1086/695703

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi...95703#xref_fn2

Extraordinary Biomass-Burning Episode and Impact Winter Triggered by the Younger Dryas Cosmic Impact ∼12,800 Years Ago. 1. Ice Cores and Glaciers

Abstract

The Younger Dryas boundary (YDB) cosmic-impact hypothesis is based on considerable evidence that Earth collided with fragments of a disintegrating ≥100-km-diameter comet, the remnants of which persist within the inner solar system ∼12,800 y later. Evidence suggests that the YDB cosmic impact triggered an “impact winter” and the subsequent Younger Dryas (YD) climate episode, biomass burning, late Pleistocene megafaunal extinctions, and human cultural shifts and population declines. The cosmic impact deposited anomalously high concentrations of platinum over much of the Northern Hemisphere, as recorded at 26 YDB sites at the YD onset, including the Greenland Ice Sheet Project 2 ice core, in which platinum deposition spans ∼21 y (∼12,836–12,815 cal BP). The YD onset also exhibits increased dust concentrations, synchronous with the onset of a remarkably high peak in ammonium, a biomass-burning aerosol. In four ice-core sequences from Greenland, Antarctica, and Russia, similar anomalous peaks in other combustion aerosols occur, including nitrate, oxalate, acetate, and formate, reflecting one of the largest biomass-burning episodes in more than 120,000 y. In support of widespread wildfires, the perturbations in CO2 records from Taylor Glacier, Antarctica, suggest that biomass burning at the YD onset may have consumed ∼10 million km2, or ∼9% of Earth’s terrestrial biomass. The ice record is consistent with YDB impact theory that extensive impact-related biomass burning triggered the abrupt onset of an impact winter, which led, through climatic feedbacks, to the anomalous YD climate episode.

drugi dio (PDF)
DOI: 10.1086/695704

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/695704

Extraordinary Biomass-Burning Episode and Impact Winter Triggered by the Younger Dryas Cosmic Impact ∼12,800 Years Ago. 2. Lake, Marine, and Terrestrial Sediments

Abstract

Part 1 of this study investigated evidence of biomass burning in global ice records, and here we continue to test the hypothesis that an impact event at the Younger Dryas boundary (YDB) caused an anomalously intense episode of biomass burning at ∼12.8 ka on a multicontinental scale (North and South America, Europe, and Asia). Quantitative analyses of charcoal and soot records from 152 lakes, marine cores, and terrestrial sequences reveal a major peak in biomass burning at the Younger Dryas (YD) onset that appears to be the highest during the latest Quaternary. For the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary (K-Pg) impact event, concentrations of soot were previously utilized to estimate the global amount of biomass burned, and similar measurements suggest that wildfires at the YD onset rapidly consumed ∼10 million km2 of Earth’s surface, or ∼9% of Earth’s biomass, considerably more than for the K-Pg impact. Bayesian analyses and age regressions demonstrate that ages for YDB peaks in charcoal and soot across four continents are synchronous with the ages of an abundance peak in platinum in the Greenland Ice Sheet Project 2 (GISP2) ice core and of the YDB impact event (12,835–12,735 cal BP). Thus, existing evidence indicates that the YDB impact event caused an anomalously large episode of biomass burning, resulting in extensive atmospheric soot/dust loading that triggered an “impact winter.” This, in turn, triggered abrupt YD cooling and other climate changes, reinforced by climatic feedback mechanisms, including Arctic sea ice expansion, rerouting of North American continental runoff, and subsequent ocean circulation changes.

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Danas je umrla još jedna legenda arheologije sa ruba znanosti.

John Anthony West

Najpoznatiji je bio po Sphinx water erosion hipotezi, a koju je iznio zajedno sa kolegom Robert Schochom na početku 90tih godina prošlog stoljeća.


Zajedno sa prijateljima je unio nove ideje i dobro uzdrmao uspavane egiptologe.

Ovo je jedan od zadnjih intervjua sa njim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtKlDXnmBoc


Nek mu je laka zemlja.

[Kerefek76]

https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/arhe...logija-1226746

Upotrebom tehnologije dolazit će sve više i više na vidjelo da su nam arheološke knjige i sadašnje teorije o nastanku civilizacija sasvim krive.
Ne znam koliko će dugo još službena arheologija odolijevati pred naletima novih otkrića ali neće dugo. Tehnologija i internet su močno oružje protiv ustaljenih metoda kojima su se godinama i godinama sakrivala i zanemarivala otkrića koja se kose sa važećim teorijama a sve zbog ega pojedinih stručnjaka koji ne žele priznati da im cijele karijere počivaju na krivim teorijama.
Žalosno je da je tokom 20-tog i 19-tog stoljeća uništeno hrpa dokaza a sve u svrhu očuvanja krivih teorija.
Na neki način, događa se isto kao i Kopernikovo i Galilejevo vrijeme, stare dogmatske strukture se grčevito bore da održe ustaljene dogmatske teorije dok pojedinci otvorenog uma bez ustručavanja istražuju i postavljaju nove.