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Ahmadija kaže:
Dear first of all try to address the personalities with respect. It is the teachings of Islam.
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OK i will continule as mr. Mirza
is that enogh raspectaby?
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1. As intimated earlier Wahi, Ilham and Kashaf are states with which blessed ones are guided by God. As per belief of Ahamdiyya, its founder loved the Prophet Muhammad (saw) so much and excelled in piety to the extent that was blessed by God with Wahi, Ilham and Kashaf.(All three) Wahi is not special to law bearing prophets. See Sura ALNAHAL of Quran where honey been has been blessed with Wahi.
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I don't have an intention to discuss does mr. mirza loved Resulullah or not.
there is difference betveen Verb WHY and noun WHY
Also there is big difference of getting Wahy and be under Wahy-order.
bul let's say the answer you gave is good enough
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Read Sura Alqasus where mother of prophet Moses (AS)was blessed with Wahi. So if founder of Ahamdiyya is blessed with Wahi what is the surprise?
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try to put a quote of those ayats.
Yes it was a suprise!
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2. It depends if it is for joy then clearly NO, as it is forbidden in Quran. However for medicines or if prescribed by doctor as medicine in acute sickness, rarely one can take it as medicine only.
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can ahmedis drink whiskey in puspose for a making bussiness agreeements?
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3. Lack of understanding to metaphorical situation is making you un easy. Here no one means blood relation ship but in piety and resemblance of circumstance and similar situation is meant. According to belief of Ahamdiyya ISA (AS) was a great prophet of his time. He survived fructification. Healed up and migrated towards Afghanistan and Kashmir in search of lost tribes of Bani Israel. He completed his mission and died natural death at the age of 120 years and is buried in Srinagar Kashmir. For details you can read book Jesus in India translated in your language and available on web site www.alislam.hr.
So Ahmadiyya does not believe any one coming from heaven. relation ship is only metaphorical and relates to spiritual state.
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you are avoiding the answer.
Isa a.s. was blod related to our Father Ibrahim a.s. Muhammed a.s. too. But Mr. Mirza wasn't. in that aspect of wiev he is insiginficant. Because he is not related with Isa a.s. or with Muhammad a.s.. He is not even a banu Israil. Why would God give such a gift to him? i Don't see a reason
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4. In Quran it is mentioned it is the fear of God (Taqwa which makes any one respectful in the eyes of God) Ask God why he selected Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) to be promised Messiah and Mahdi.
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For better understanding term taqwa you sholud to know arabic like i do!
GOd didn't selected mr. Mirza to be that. Simpliy as bean, Isa and Mahdi are two persons not two. First is son of Mary the one who is Zaqijj
Second is blod related to Muhammad a.s. ehli bayt
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Even you can ask why God chose prophet Muhammad (saw) as prophet while he was UMMI (uneducated) An objection which was raised by Abu Jehl who used to call himself as Abul Hakam.
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Firstly, Muhammad a.s. is ancestor od Ibrahim a.s., As you probbably notices Allah to Resuls give a "nikcnames" Ibrahim is HalilAllah, Isa is Kelamullah and Ruhullah, Muhammad is HabibAllah salavat ans selam be upon them.
i notice that mr. Mirza don't have a nick.
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The names which you are taking were great scholars of their time and all are respected by Ahmaiyya however were not of the status what Mirza Ghulam Ahamd achieved in the eyes of God due to pure love God and his Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
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you can't prove that!
still I think that te peoples I have named are greater than mr. Mirza
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5. Ahmadiyya is other name for revival of true Islam and by the grace of Almighty it has already translated Holy Quran in 74 languages.
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I know you are slightly dissatissfied with translations of muslims.
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Why and what for it should translate Bible?
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why not. there is a chance that chistinas didn't translate it correctly.
The main reason why ahmedis don't translate a Bible is because christinas are not a "target population" for Ahmedis
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Christians are already doing it in various languages. Christians or other religions never translated Quran in any language why Ahamdiyya should do it. I could not understand your logic.
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not true! that non-muslims did not translate Qur'an before Ahmadis.
next question. Why mr. Mirza choose title "the prophet of Islam" instead to be the ResulAllah.
dont tell me that is the same.
My general conclusion is that you don't konw the answers on my question or you smartly avoid them.
There is no foundation in Qur'an that two persons can be in one.
Wahy, by the geeneraly opinion of Ulema based on Quran and haidth is not a state hal. Wahy is stictly connected to relevations such as Tevrat, Zebbur Injeel and Qur'an. does ahmadis have a Book beside Qur'an? is that book equal with Quran?
However ,to be under wahy means that Allah's amrs realize through you, then that person become ulul ilm the possesor of knowledge. that pesron is truly in haqiqatil Muhammadiyya and Allah give to him hals of ilham Kashf, Jezbah,...
for more information read Risale-i Kusheryri.
Status of mr. Mirza is not confirmed by the any parts of muslim. Scholars based on sharia rejected that claim. Scholars related to tasawwuf aslo rejected Mirza's claims.
Im not using names Gulam Ahmed not to insult you but i'm not usin that names because those names are isharat to Isa and Mahdy and i don't belive im mirza's claims
Faoundations od Ahamdiyya movement are not solid for many reasons.
look at the time. Muslims in India was stiking force against british .
Mr. Mirza was not fully dressed with Kur'an and sunnet of the Muhammad a.s.
he didn't even memorise Qur'an
he dye in age of 73 that's not related to Muhammad
He started to in age od 47 or older... why not 33 or 40?
he never be in Mecca or Jerusalim!?
za one koji ne znaju engleski:
Ahmedija ja svašta i ništa napisao:
prvo ahemdija je pokušao ustvriditi da je wahy stanje odnosno hal obrazlažući to ajetima iz sure pčela 68. ajet i Sire Kazivanje 7 ajet, ali je previdio da se radi o glagolu ne o stanju na šta sam mu ja ukazao. na krjau je ustvrdio zašto bi bilo iznenađenje da pored bezumne pčele i majke koja je nosila Mojsija i gosp. Mirza ne bi mogao biti nosilac Wahja.
ja sam ustvrdio da bi bilo iznanđenje jer oni i nisu bili nosioci Wahya iako su djelovale po Wahy.
zatim je pričao nešto kako je Isus ganjao židovksa plemena po indiji i tamo umro u starosti od 120 godina... ja sam ustvrdio da izbjegava odgovor na moja pitanja. rekao sam mu još to da je za poslansvo potreba krbna povezanosz sa Ibrahimom jer da toga nema svaka suša bi mogla tvrdit da je poslanik kao što ovaj tvdi. iako je zbog toga što nije krvno vezan ni za Isusa ni za Muhammeda on potpuno beznačajan da bi bio neko ko bi mogao primiti navodno poslanstvo.
onda se pozvao na Taqwa a ja sam mu rekoa da ne razumije dovoljno taj pojam i opet sam mu rekao da je jasno kao pasulj iliti grah. Isa i Mehdi su dvije osobe. Jedna je od roda Davidova a druga je od Roda Muhamedova, i izmežu ostalog i zbog toga ne mogu biti dvije osobe. onda je nešto natuknuo u smislu kad može Muhammed što ne bi i on na šta sam mu ja odgovorio da je on ipak od loze poslanika
onda je opet nešto prišao kako je iz svoje ljubavi i slično prema Bogu to zaslužio na šta sam mu ja odgovorio da u to ne vjerujem jer su osobe koje sam neveo ipak veće i značajnije od njega...
nam oje pitanje zašto Ahemdije ne prevode Bibliju on reče da Kršćani to rade sasvim dobro a ja mu rekoh a ahmedije to ne rade jer Kršćani nisu njihova ciljana grupa nego samo muslimani.
rekao je još da nemuslimani ne prevode Kur'an što je nonsens...
još sam ga upitao zašto je g-din Mriza izabrao da bude prorok islama umjesto da bude božiji poslanik?
moj generlani zaključaj je da ti ili ne znaš odgovore ili ih murdo izbjegavaš
nema osnove za tvrdnju da dvije osobe mogu biti dvije
Wahy prema generlanom stavu uleme bazirane na Kur'anu i hadisu nije stanje/hal. On je striktno vezan za BOžije knjige Tevrat Zebur, Indžil i Kur'an
Imaju li Ahemdije Knjigu pored Kur'ana? da li je ta knjiga ravna Kur'anu?
Bilo kako bilo biti pod wahjem tnač se Allahov emr ili volja realizuje preko tebe, i tada ta osoba postaje uulul ilm tj posjednik znanja. ta je osoba istinski u Muhamedanskoj zbilji i tada mu Allah daje halove Ilhama, kešfova, džezbi. VIše o tome u Knjizi Risala Kušejrija
Status gdin Mirze nije potvrđen ni od koga. niti je to učinjeno od strane uleme koja svoje stavove bazira na Šerijatu niti od stane tesavufske uleme.
NE koristim native Gulam Ahmed jer oni aludiraju na vezu a ISusom i Muhammedom a ja u tu vezu ne vjerujem
Temelji ahmedijskog pokreta nisu čvrsti iz mnogo razloga.
gospodim Mirza kao samoproklamovani poslanik islama se nije okitio Kur'anom niti sunnetom Muhammeda
umro je sa 73 goein i to nije povezano sa Muhammedom a.s.
počeo je svoju misiju u 47. a ne u 40. kao poslanik a.s. ili makar nakon 33. kao recimo logični nastavak misije Isa a.s.
nije nikad bio u Mekki i Jarusalimu.
to je i politička dimenzija ovog pokreta jer su oni nastali u turbulentno vrijeme borbe indijaca za nezavisnost. Muslimani us bili jedna od udarnih snaga i tadašnja ulema je pozivala na oružanu borbu protiv bitanaca. a onda se pojavi dotični gospodin i kaže da se sa britancima bore olovkama