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Old 13.01.2018., 16:13   #2881
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Pa znaci da mozes gledati bez Ferarija i da bi gledao u slucaju da se povuku. Jer imas Hama imas Maxa
Ja sam ja , jedan od 6-7 milijarde ljudi na svijetu i kao takav nebitan, osim toga meni je san da Hamilton vozi za Ferrari!, ali da mozda , samo mozda bi bez Ferrarija nastavio gledati f1 i cisto sumnjam da bi to drugo potrajalo!
Daj vec jednom shvati odlazak Ferrarija je ogroman financijski, marketinski sok za formulu 1 , toliko da se od toga na globalnoj razini f1 nebi mogla oporaviti, jer jednostavno je takvo stanje !
F1 bi postala invalid , funkcionirala bi ali jako ograniceno i spala bi na najnizu mogucu razinu ikada.

Osim toga bespredmetno je o tome polemizirati jer se odlazak Ferrarija u skoroj buducnosti nece dogoditi.

Velis imam Hama i Maxa ?, mislis da bi Ham i Max ostali voziti u rusevinama formule 1 .

Stvari su malo dublje i sire prirode nego li si ti sposoban shvatiti cini mi se!

Ajde da ti nacrtam vrijednost Ferrarija, eventualni Vettelov naslov u Ferrariju bi za njegovu karijeru bio veci nego sva cetiri naslova u Red Bullu.
Postao bi predmet obozavanja!

Ili hajdemo ovako , eventualna Ferrarijeva dominacija je puno bolja za sport nego li Mercedesova dominacija.
Zlatna era pracenja formule 1 je upravo dominacija Ferrarija i Michaela Schumachera .
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Old 13.01.2018., 16:41   #2882
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Jel tu uopće čitaš što ti svi ovdje pišu?
brunejz je na mojoj strani! A ti si ostao bez odgovora na moj zadnji post.
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Old 13.01.2018., 16:48   #2883
Na koje točno? Na to što F1 jest? Pa to sam ti odgovorio u prethodnom postu i ti si citirao i složio se s time.
No ima rudonja pravo, malim ovdje praznu slamu s jakim dojmom da nas namjerno zajebavaš praveći se da niš ne razumiješ.
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Old 13.01.2018., 16:54   #2884
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Daj vec jednom shvati odlazak Ferrarija je ogroman financijski, marketinski sok za formulu 1 , toliko da se od toga na globalnoj razini f1 nebi mogla oporaviti, jer jednostavno je takvo stanje !
F1 bi postala invalid , funkcionirala bi ali jako ograniceno i spala bi na najnizu mogucu razinu ikada.
Ako bi trke bile dobre sa najbrzim bolidima i najboljim vozacima koga briga sto nema Ferarija osim nekoliko miliona zaludjenih tifoza. Ja ne znam nijedan sport gde ucesnici odredjuju pravila igre-to ima samo u F1 Lepo Liberti treba da napise nova pravila, kome se ne svidja nek izadje siroko mu polje a F1 ce nastaviti da zivi i prezivece jer ce show biti bolji a to je ono sto fanovi danas traze bolji show!

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Velis imam Hama i Maxa ?, mislis da bi Ham i Max ostali voziti u rusevinama formule 1 .
A gde bi presli? Pa sam Max je izjavio (mislim da je on) da ne pati za Ferarijem nego da mu je bitnije da vozi za sto bolju ekipu. Znaci vozacima nije bitan Ferari pa sto bi onda meni bio bitan.

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Ajde da ti nacrtam vrijednost Ferrarija, eventualni Vettelov naslov u Ferrariju bi za njegovu karijeru bio veci nego sva cetiri naslova u Red Bullu.
Ma to su gluposti. Ja naslove cenim na osnovu u kojoj su konkurenciji osvojeni.

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Ili hajdemo ovako , eventualna Ferrarijeva dominacija je puno bolja za sport nego li Mercedesova dominacija.
Nijedna dominacija nije dobra.

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Zlatna era pracenja formule 1 je upravo dominacija Ferrarija i Michaela Schumachera .


Pa ljudi su tada gasili TV o cemu ti pricas.
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Old 13.01.2018., 17:00   #2885
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Na koje točno? Na to što F1 jest? Pa to sam ti odgovorio u prethodnom postu i ti si citirao i složio se s time.
No ima rudonja pravo, malim ovdje praznu slamu s jakim dojmom da nas namjerno zajebavaš praveći se da niš ne razumiješ.


Ja stojim iza toga da F1 bez Ferarija ne bi propala. Jel IndyCar funkcionise bez Ferarija?-DA! Jel Nascar funkcionise bez Ferarija-DA!
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Old 13.01.2018., 17:15   #2886
I Hrvatska nogometna liga funkcionira bez Barcelona i Reala i nis joj ne fali. Imas pravo.
Ako Spanjolci puste da im Real izadje iz lige i prijedje igrati za francusku, nema veze, doc ce neki drugi klub, mozda Zvezda ili Hajduk.
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Old 13.01.2018., 17:51   #2887
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Ferrari are F1's most successful outfit with 16 Constructors' Championships and 15 drivers' titles, and their current share of the revenue reflects that special status, but Priestley feels Liberty Media are right to seek changes in the sport.

"I get the historical importance of Ferrari, but we have been giving them an advantage by throwing more money at them than any other team," he added. "For me, that is like giving a football team a 12th man on the pitch. If you spend it right, your budget directly correlates to success and performance, so we've been handing them an unfair advantage.

"I think modern Formula 1 fans want to see a much more level playing field and they want to see many more teams get an opportunity to fight at the front.

"We all recognise Ferrari's importance but I think Formula 1 would survive without Ferrari. Yes, they may go and start a new championship, but Formula 1 is much more than Ferrari involved in it."
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Undoubtedly, if Ferrari ever did follow through with one of its many quit threats, it would be a significant blow for Formula One in the short term. But the idea that somehow F1 would be unable to survive without the Italian team is ridiculous -- there is much more to the top level of motorsport than having two red cars on the grid every year.

F1 has been guilty of treating Ferrari with far too much reverence for a long time. It currently gets a ridiculously good deal for being in the sport. It gets paid (very well) just to show up and can veto proposals it doesn't like. All of that comes guaranteed regardless of where it finishes -- it has not won a title in a decade despite the favourable terms of its deal.

As for the idea that a title won in an F1 without Ferrari would lack value: an energy drinks company has won eight F1 titles in the 10 years Ferrari -- the team supposedly bigger than the whole sport -- has failed to win one. History has demonstrated that fans will watch F1 regardless of how Enzo Ferrari's team is doing. F1's golden era of the late 1980s and early 1990s also came during a barren spell, one that saw the team go 21 years without a drivers' championship -- that lack of success hardly diminished the value of the championships won during that time. The biggest star of that era, Ayrton Senna, became a global icon despite never once driving in its iconic red colours. If you take away its dominant spell of the early 2000s, Ferrari's on-track performances in the past few decades hardly warrant the mythology that always comes with the Maranello team.

Away from F1, Ferrari holds a very prestigious place in what is still a niche and elite market: selling supercars. F1's rule makers have unveiled an engine blueprint for beyond the 2020 season that, among other things, hopes to lure new manufacturers. That includes the likes of Aston Martin and Porsche, while fellow supercar maker McLaren uses F1 as the main platform for its own multifaceted company. As driver-turned-TV-pundit Martin Brundle pointed out in a tweet last week, nothing has the global reach of Formula One in motorsport and those other companies would gleefully step into Ferrari's place at the top table of the sport's biggest series. Whether Ferrari's brand would be affected by leaving is another argument, but F1 would not struggle to find willing replacements.

Red Bull has issued several similar threats to quit in recent seasons, all of which seemed as hollow as Marchionne's most recent declaration. Why? Because Red Bull would be foolish to walk away, and Dietrich Mateschitz knows it. None of its other projects comes anywhere close to the sort of exposure it gets from being one of the biggest teams in motorsport's premier category. F1 would continue without both.

Regardless of who lines up on the grid, F1 will always be the best drivers in the world driving the best cars at the best venues in the world -- if Ferrari doesn't want its brand to be a part of that anymore, Liberty Media should hold the door open for it to leave rather than be held to ransom about the future of the sport.
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Can Formula 1 Survive Without Ferrari

In case you missed it Ferrari issued their now once a decade threat to quit Formula 1. If you are a fan of the sport then you undoubtedly know Ferrari is the spoiled brat of F1. They have had things pretty much all their own way since the sport's inception. Enter Formula 1's new overlords Liberty Media. Liberty has some fairly bold plans for the future of the sport but rising to the top is a change in the Ferrari status quo.

This most recent quit threat from Ferrari stems from the proposed 2021 engine regulations which sees very little change in the current regulations. There is a distinct divide among the teams in terms of the proposal. The small teams who have to purchase engines like the idea and why wouldn't they this is aimed to lower engine cost. The big teams, teams that actually build the engines are not in favor of the proposed regulations. The loudest among them is Ferrari. This may have been the tipping point but it is far from Ferrari's only reason to quit the sport.

Liberty has made it clear the days of Ferrari's special treatment are coming to an end. For years Ferrari has had to risk very little while racing in Formula 1. Ferrari enjoys special veto power over regulation changes. Liberty aims to put an end to all of it. Ferrari understandably does not want to give up this special status so they threaten to quit. Thus begins the great Liberty v. Ferrari stare down.

What happens from here is anyone's guess. Ferrari has issued quit threats countless times throughout their history. The difference here is they appear to be facing someone who is willing to let Ferrari walk. Liberty shows no indication that they are willing to cave to the boys in red. This is a high stakes game of chicken that leaves many wondering, "Could Formula 1 survive without Ferrari?"

Ferrari is synonymous with motorsport, specifically Formula 1 as fans it is difficult for us to imagine the pinnacle of motorsport without Ferrari. Like it or not, their exit from F1 would send shock waves throughout the sport but the sport will survive. Let's take a look back at those engine regulations that sent Ferrari over the edge. They effectively use the same formula as is used today only with a higher redline (for more noise) and the removal of the MGU-H. The latter designed to reduce complication and cost. Reducing cost and complexity benefits the existing smaller teams meaning their limited budget can be spent elsewhere in development. It also entices teams to consider joining Formula 1 who may not have otherwise.

Despite their woeful performance McLaren and Honda are successful organizations, full of highly inelegant individuals and their collective failure to make the Honda power unit competitive serves massive warning to any new team looking to enter the sport. Millions have been spent just to settle for points, let alone zero chance at victory. Outside manufacturers looking at this and become extremely wary of entry into F1.

Let us not forget that in addition to the current four engine suppliers (Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda) Porsche and Aston Martin were also a part of the future engine regulation discussions. Their inclusion would be a massive win for F1 as a whole and their input can not be dismissed.

How does this all play into a potential Ferrari exit? I see it as a fairly simple math equation, Porsche + Aston Martin = Ferrari. Simply put, if we get Porsche and Aston into Formula 1 and it only costs us Ferrari I consider that a win for F1. Formula 1 has survived the loss of major teams from their history. Lotus was a major part of F1 in the early days. Where is Lotus now and yet F1 survived. Many other major teams from F1's past are no longer with us and the sport survived. Ferrari is by far the biggest name the sport has ever had and their loss would be a major blow but the sport would survive. Especially if it means the inclusion of Porsche and Aston Martin.

Ferrari's exit from F1 would hurt Ferrari more than it would hurt F1. Ferrari's special status among F1 teams is well documented and apart from the most die hard Tifosi, most will look at Ferrari as the spoiled brats that they are. Things didn't go exactly their way so they are storming off in a huff. Formula 1 will move on and with a better on track product buzz surrounding the sport would only increase. It probably wouldn't take long for Ferrari to come back, hat in hand, and ask to be able to play again.
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Old 13.01.2018., 18:03   #2888
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Jesi li bio uživo na kojoj F1 utrci?
Ako jesi, ne treba ti objašnjavati što Ferrari, volio ga ili ne, znači za ovaj sport.
2018. je, kakav mrtvi ferrari...

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Old 13.01.2018., 23:02   #2889
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Velis imam Hama i Maxa ?, mislis da bi Ham i Max ostali voziti u rusevinama formule 1 .
Hamilton ziher nebi, on bi otišel u penziju...
Max bi možda čak i ostal, jer jebat ga nebi imal kam
Ne zato kaj nije dovoljno dobar za druge serije dapače itekako je...
nego zato kaj sve ostale serije tipa Nascar, Indy i.t.d. za taj kalibar vozača ne znače baš ništa jer su neka 3-4 liga...
recimo možeš se kladit da jednom Maxu više u životu znači samo jedna F1 pobjeda, a kamo li recimo pobjeda u Monacu, Suzuki, Spa, Silverstoneu, Monzi nego da ode u Nascar/Indy i tam uzme 2-3 naslova za redom...

Jedan Burdais je na globalnom nivou vozač ranga Vergnea/Buemia a gle čuda lik ima 4 naslova i čudo postolja/pobjeda u raznim američkim serijama,
no svejedno da pitaš ogromnu većinu ljudi na planeti (bez amera naravno) ko je Burdais ogromna većina neće imat pojma ko je taj lik...
a eventualno će ga se sjetit kao lika koji je eto šamaran u STR-u prije desetak godina, pa dobio pedalu...
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Old 13.01.2018., 23:38   #2890
Još kad bi i ovi vozači s vrha se povukli to bi bilo zabavno
Eto možemo imati F1 s jedno 20ak Sirotkina i Ericssona pa ćemo gledati tko će izaći bez oštećenja iz prvog zavoja i tko će napraviti više od 40 krugova u utrci
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Old 13.01.2018., 23:56   #2891
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Još kad bi i ovi vozači s vrha se povukli to bi bilo zabavno
Eto možemo imati F1 s jedno 20ak Sirotkina i Ericssona pa ćemo gledati tko će izaći bez oštećenja iz prvog zavoja i tko će napraviti više od 40 krugova u utrci
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@Dmw, velis Nascar i Indycar funkcuoniraju uredno bez Ferrarija?, pa normalno kada to nije ni slicno, Ferrari nikada nije bio u jednoj od te dvije serije, dok je sa druge strane Ferrari rastao uz formulu 1 i formula je rasla uz Ferrari od prvog dana postojanja!, jel razmes koliko je tvoja uspredba glupa?
Znaci Ferrari je u formuli 1 od prvog dana centralna figura sa najvecim brojem navijaca i sto se tice fanova ima apsolutni monopol u f1 .

To je kao da protivniku maknes kraljicu u sahu, funkcionirati ce on samo nece dugo!

Nadam se da si primjetio da sam Ferrari pisao sa VELIKIM slovom a formulu sa malim
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Old 14.01.2018., 12:31   #2892
Mario sve je receno u mom zadnjem postu od 3 citata.

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Ajde da ti nacrtam vrijednost Ferrarija, eventualni Vettelov naslov u Ferrariju bi za njegovu karijeru bio veci nego sva cetiri naslova u Red Bullu.
Nisam se setio da ti bolje odgovorim na ovo, znaci po tebi bi Fetel menjao svoja 4 naslova za taj 1

Hamilton bi isto menjao svoja 4 za 1 u Ferariju

Alonso bi menjao svoja 2 za 1 u Ferariju

Kimijeva 1 u Ferariju je veca od svih ovih iznad

Jel ti vidis sta govoris

Pa jel to kad se gledaju titule pise ko je gde osvojio ili kolko ko ima? Ti bi rangirao po osvojenim titulama u Ferariju
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Old 14.01.2018., 13:22   #2893
Odustajem, vidim da tesko mozes razumijeti !
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Old 14.01.2018., 13:51   #2894
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jel razmes koliko je tvoja uspredba glupa?
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To je kao da protivniku maknes kraljicu u sahu, funkcionirati ce on samo nece dugo!
Al' je zato tvoja usporedba veleumna.
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Old 14.01.2018., 15:47   #2895
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Al' je zato tvoja usporedba veleumna.
Igras sah pa znas ?
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Old 14.01.2018., 17:22   #2896
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Nisam se setio da ti bolje odgovorim na ovo, znaci po tebi bi Fetel menjao svoja 4 naslova za taj 1
Hamilton bi isto menjao svoja 4 za 1 u Ferariju
Alonso bi menjao svoja 2 za 1 u Ferariju
Kimijeva 1 u Ferariju je veca od svih ovih iznad
Ne da bi ga mijenjali, nego bi se još i naguzii tifozijima cijelog svijeta. Eto koliko vrijedi Kimijev naslov u Ferrariju.
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Old 14.01.2018., 17:33   #2897
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Ne da bi ga mijenjali, nego bi se još i naguzii tifozijima cijelog svijeta. Eto koliko vrijedi Kimijev naslov u Ferrariju.
Jel si ti Kimijev fan? Pa o njegovom naslovu se ni ne prica, niko ni nema pojma da je osvojio za Ferari
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Old 14.01.2018., 17:50   #2898
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Jel si ti Kimijev fan? Pa o njegovom naslovu se ni ne prica, niko ni nema pojma da je osvojio za Ferari
Na stranu što su ti postovi na razini 2. osnovne, pitam se kako u 2018 o Ferrariju raspravljati s tipom kojem je vrhunac motosporta karburatorsko natjecanje ?
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Old 14.01.2018., 17:56   #2899
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Igras sah pa znas ?
Pila je u pravu usporedba ti je g...a a znas zasto zato sto se ovde ne natjecu dve serije ali evo i da se natjecu znaci jedna serija (F1) izgubi kraljicu a koja to druga serija ima tu kraljicu (Ferari) a da je pandan F1. Ne postoji.
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Old 14.01.2018., 18:03   #2900
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Na stranu što su ti postovi na razini 2. osnovne, pitam se kako u 2018 o Ferrariju raspravljati s tipom kojem je vrhunac motosporta karburatorsko natjecanje ?


Pojma ti nemas ni sta su trke, nista. Ne znas ni o Nascaru jer ne koriste karburatore od 2012.
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