CIN I, II, III i HPV

[sweet]

Modesty-Blaise kaže:

Ja imam HPV visokog rizika s tim da mi nikada se nije aktivirao. Cure, imunitet je najbitniji

a šta znači aktivirao? šta nije dovoljno samo to što je tu... to već dovoljno šteti...

[silvaes85]

WANDA77 reci mi sto ces sada uciniti? Rekla si da imas cin3. Dal si napravila biopsiju? Hoces li ici na lletz konizaciju? Sto ti je doktor savjetovao?

[plavka]

Da ali treba naglasiti da one cure koje su imale cin ---bilo koji----nisu do čistog papa testa došle uz pripravke već ---kolposkopije---biopsije koja kaže kakvo je pravo stanje jer cin na papa testu nije pouzdan-----eventualno konizacije (koja je ili lletz za cure koje nisu još rodile ili klasična -nož- ako je već karcinom )ako nema pomaka!
neke su u roku 3 mj. rješile cin 1 ali nažalost kako papa test može pogriješit za 50% čak i taj postotak napominju pa im se nakon god. dana opet pojavi pa su opet u čudu jer nisu prošle biopsiju i tipizaciju hpv-a!
Naravno da svima nama želim sve najbolje i da to šta prije riješimo ali želim naglasit da šta manje vremena prođe u čekanju!pusaaaa svima i sretno nam svima!

[plavka]

jean_harlow kaže:

Bok cure! Citam vas vec neko vrijeme pa da i ja napisem svoju pricu i pitanje. U 6.mjesecu prosle godine papa test je pokazao cin1 plus promjene povezane s hpv. Ginekolog mi je rekao da se takav nalaz tolerira i do godinu dana te da dodjem za oko 4 mjeseca. U 12. mjesecu papa test je opet pokazao cin1, ali bez hpv-a. Ginekolog je opet rekao isto-da dodjem za oko 4 mjeseca.
Sad me zanima vase misljenje. Je li to normalan postupak kod ovakvog nalaza ili bih trebala otici kod nekog "poduzetnijeg" ginekologa? Inace ovo je privatni ginekolog i super je.
Citala sam da se kod 80 % ljudi ovakav nalaz vrati na normalu u roku godene dana, ali isto tako vidim da se moze i pogorsati i da neki idu na kolposkopiju vec kod prvog neurednog nalaza pa sam malo zbunjena.

evo skoro isto kao ja! samo šta sam ja od 5 mj. 2007 - cin1 - brisevi u 6 mj. potvrđen hpv visokorizični -ostali brisevi negativni! rekla da dođem u 9 mj opet na papa test- opet cin1 ovaj put bez naznačenog hpv-a i odmah me slala na kolposkopiju i biopsiju u bolnicu- u bolnici je ginek. rekao da ne treba biopsija pa da ponovim papa test za 4 mj. pa ako ne prođe onda će uklanjat! a onda sam ti ja otišla kod privatnika koji je pisao postupnik i odmah napravila biopsiju za koju mi je rekao da sam odmah trebala u 6 mj. obavit čim je hpv -visoki rizik! nalaz biopsije mi je cin1 i sad po postupniku idem na papa test pa čemo vidit šta dalje!

[Suey]

meni je takodjer nakon godinu dana i nakon svih do sada urednih papa testova dijagnostociran CIN III. postupak koji mi je doktorica rekla je istovjetan ovom gore - znaci, brisevi na klamidiju i ostalo te tipizacija HPV-a koja ce ustanoviti je li niskorizicni ili visokorizicni. i ponoviti papa test da nije doslo do kakve greske, odnosno, laznog nalaza. zapravo ce phd reci koji je tocno nalaz. ako los nalaz i dalje bude prisutan, ide se na kolposkopiju, znaci poblize promatranje grlica maternice, a zatim biopsiju, te ako i nakon toga bude los nalaz, isto tako se ide na konizaciju u bolnicu. spaljivanje nije dobro jer je oporavak duzi buduci ti pale tkivo, a nalazi znaju i dalje nakon toga biti losi.

nego, citam malo po tom forumu savjete o tome sto bi trebalo uzimati. od svih
tih pripravaka smatram da treba uzeti one koji imaju kemoprotektivno djelovanje jer ipak je to predkancerozno stanje.

dakle, zeleni caj, brokula, cesnjak, slatki krumpir (batat), papaja, avokado i grejp. nasla sam i da su neke vrste gljiva, medju njima i sampinjoni, takodjer borci protiv raka. za likopen sam citala da samo prevenira, znaci upitno je i je li pomaze kod vec razvijene neoplazije.

http://www.vjesnik.hr/pdf/1999%5C08%5C14%5C31A31.PDF

http://zadi.hr/dijabetes/index.php?o...d=41&Itemid=42

[iwchy]

plavka kaže:

Da ali treba naglasiti da one cure koje su imale cin ---bilo koji----nisu do čistog papa testa došle uz pripravke već ---kolposkopije---biopsije koja kaže kakvo je pravo stanje jer cin na papa testu nije pouzdan-----eventualno konizacije (koja je ili lletz za cure koje nisu još rodile ili klasična -nož- ako je već karcinom )ako nema pomaka!
neke su u roku 3 mj. rješile cin 1 ali nažalost kako papa test može pogriješit za 50% čak i taj postotak napominju pa im se nakon god. dana opet pojavi pa su opet u čudu jer nisu prošle biopsiju i tipizaciju hpv-a!
Naravno da svima nama želim sve najbolje i da to šta prije riješimo ali želim naglasit da šta manje vremena prođe u čekanju!pusaaaa svima i sretno nam svima!

meni se prvi put CIN I povukao sam od sebe, bez kolposkopije i biopsije
samo jedan los nalaz i onda sve ok..a isla sam i dalje na kontrole svaka 4 mj.
brijem da je tu imunitet bio ok i da je sam napravio svoje..

a onda, nakon 2 godine, opet sve nanovo..CIN I, CIN II..
doduse, taj put mi je moja bivsa privatnica napravila odmah tipizaciju, a i kolposkopiju nakon nekih 4 mj.

@jean_harlow ja ne bi cekala na tvom mjestu..
kolposkopija stvarno nije nesto strasno, i to ti je vec trebao napraviti..ovako te moze vracati da dolazis i dalje na kontrole svaka 4 mj. a nakon godinu dana, ako ti se taj CIN I ne povuce, to se vec smatra perzistirajucim CINOM, i dosta njih s tim nalazom nakon godine dana vec salju na konizaciju..
tako je mene ova moja vozala godinu dana (kolposkopije su kao bile ok, bar ona nije nis vidila), i kad je bilo tocno godina dana od toga prvog CIN I, mi je rekla da je to za konizaciju i da ona vise ne moze nista napraviti

mislim da bi svakako trebala napraviti tipizaciju i kolposkopiju..pa i biopsiju, nakon sta se ovo obavi jer ti ta godina dana vrlo lako proleti a da ni ne skuzis..

[silvaes85]

Dal se papom moze utvrditi klamidija, gardanella i ostale stetocine? Mislim vidim na kopiji svog zadnjeg nalaza da mi to nije oznaceno, pa pretpostavljam da ih nemam. Ili postoje posebni testovi na ovu gamad? Jer vidim da ih puno ovdje spominje posebne briseve?!
Tko mi odgovori neizmjerno sam mu zahvalna!

[jean_harlow]

Hvala na odgovorima. Sad se dvoumim. Da podizem imunitet i pricekam do iduceg papa testa koji bi trebao biti u 5. mjesecu te tada inzistiram na kolposkopiji ako opet bude cin ili da jednostavno promijenim ginekologa? Npr. da odem kod ljubojevica jer vidim da ga dosta vas hvali.
Silvaes85, papa test ne moze pouzdano utvrditi klamidiju i ostale stetocine. Moras radit posebne briseve za to.

[plavka]

iwchy kaže:

meni se prvi put CIN I povukao sam od sebe, bez kolposkopije i biopsije
samo jedan los nalaz i onda sve ok..a isla sam i dalje na kontrole svaka 4 mj.
brijem da je tu imunitet bio ok i da je sam napravio svoje..

Jesi radila briseve i tipizaciju hpv odmah kod prvog lošeg nalaza CIN I ?

[silvaes85]

Dal se ti brisevi mogu raditi kod privatnika ili samo u bolnici?

[jean_harlow]

silvaes85 kaže:

Dal se ti brisevi mogu raditi kod privatnika ili samo u bolnici?

Mozes kod privatnika.

[sweet]

ček, zašto bi klasična konizacija bila bolja od letz? šta letz nije poštednija i manje štete učini za kasniju trudnoću? a imam više povjerenja u laser nego nož...

[phyto]

wanda77 kaže:

pitanje za Phyto (vidim da je online):

Što misliš, što bi cure s već razvijenim cinom trebale uzimati od svih ovih stvari ovdje nabrojenih na forumu? Ja sam koristila noni sok,aloa vera, supradyin,b vitamin, imunal sirup, vitamin c, folnu, ništa nije pomoglo. Da probam s tim ekstraktom zelenog čaja? Što s brokulom i njenim ekstraktom? Likopen možda, onaj iz Twinlaba?

Ako nisi pila kontraceptive onda isprobaj zeleni čaj kako sam već naveo (oralno i lokalno).

Kod akutne infekcije kroz mjesec ili dva uzimati ehinaceu ili astragalus u dovoljnoj dozi dovoljno često (tu se najčešće krije pogreška-preslabo doziranje),a zatim nastaviti s biljakama koje se koriste za kronične infekcije-adaptogene biljke poput ginsenga i kordicepsa.Sve su dobavljive kod nas.

Maitake,reishi,coriolus versicolor (ne i shitake) su dobra pomoć imunitetu,a imaju određeno djelovanje kod karcinoma (osobito coriolus-karcinom dojke).
No da dodam: astragalus ima povoljno djelovanje kod karcinoma pluća,zeleni čaj reducira rizik od karcinoma kolona,prostate,dojke,pluća.
Kordiceps ima povoljan učinak kod kroničnog hepatitisa B itd.

Mislim da ne trebaš opterećivati budžet kupovinom ekstrakata brokule ili likopena nego ih uključi u svoju prehranu kao i ostale vitamine i minerale.
Tek ako nikako ne možeš povećati unos voća i povrća možeš nabaviti jedan dobar suplement koji će sadržavati karotenoide (ukljućujući likopen,lutein),selen,cink,vitamine A,E i C.
Već smo više puta spomenuli da 4-5 komada brazilskog oraha će dati više nego dovoljnu količinu selena potrebnu za zdravo funkcioniranje imunološkog sustava.

Lokalni tretman:
O tamanuu i kantarionu (antiviralno,antibakterijsko djelovanje) kao i o eteričnim uljima koji se upotrebljavaju kod ovog problema sam već naširoko pisao.
Pojedina imaju antitumorsko (npr.list cimeta,klinčić),a druga jaka antiviralna svojstva (eukaliptus polibraktea,kadulja,ravintsara,čajevac,niauli cineol...),a list cimeta,čajevac i ravintsara i imunostimulativna svojstva.
Kantarion i tamanu možeš lako sama koristiti tako što ćeš namočiti tampon u ulje i dvaput dnevno držati barem sat ili dva.
Više pročitaj ovdje: http://aromaterra.hr/clanci.htm
Kao i vaginalete preporučaju se 3-4 kure po 20 dana (između ciklusa).

Kod samog CIN-a biljke poput ehinacee,aloe vera gela,mire,sljeza,propolisa se također koriste (samo propolis ima antiviralno djelovanje) u vaginaletama-dakle lokalno.
Nema jednostavnog odgovora ni brzog rješenja kod problema kao što su CIN i HPV.Treba strpljenja i upornosti u primjeni bilo kojeg tretmana,a loša prehrana i loše životne navike (alkohol,pušenje,sjedilački način života) će sigurno usporiti proces ozdravljenja.

[phyto]

Prevencija karcinoma:

"Dietary changes that may be helpful
The following dietary changes have been studied in connection with cancer.
Fiber
Whole grains (such as rye, brown rice, and whole wheat) contain high amounts of insoluble fiber—the type of fiber some scientists believe may help protect against a variety of cancers. In an analysis of the data from many studies, people who eat relatively high amounts of whole grains were reported to have low risks of lymphomas and cancers of the pancreas, stomach, colon, rectum, breast, uterus, mouth, throat, liver, and thyroid.10 Most research focusing on the relationship between cancer and fiber has focused on breast and colon cancers.

Vegetarianism
Some foods consumed by vegetarians may protect against cancer.
Eating meat may increase the risk of cancer.
Compared with meat eaters, most,11 but not all,12 studies have found that vegetarians are less likely to be diagnosed with cancer. Vegetarians have also been shown to have stronger immune function, possibly explaining why vegetarians may be partially protected against cancer.13 Female vegetarians have been reported to have lower estrogen levels compared with meat-eating women, possibly explaining a lower incidence of uterine and breast cancers.14 A reduced risk for various cancers is only partly,15 not totally,16 explained by differences in body weight, smoking habits, and other lifestyle issues.

Fruits and Vegetables
Consumption of fruits and vegetables is widely accepted as lowering the risk of most common cancers.17 Many doctors recommend that people wishing to reduce their risk of cancer eat several pieces of fruit and several portions of vegetables every day. Optimal intakes remain unknown.

Most doctors also recommend that people should not consider supplements as substitutes for the real thing. Some of the anticancer substances found in produce have probably not yet been discovered, while others are not yet available in supplement form. More important, some research, particularly regarding synthetic beta-carotene, does not support the idea that taking supplements has the same protective value against cancer as does consumption of fruits and vegetables.

Flavonoids
Flavonoids are found in virtually all herbs and plant foods. Consumption of flavonoid-rich onions and apples contain large amounts of one flavonoid called quercetin. Consumption of flavonoids in general, or quercetin-containing foods in particular,18 has been associated with protection against cancer in some,19 but not all,20 preliminary studies.

Tomatoes
Tomatoes contain lycopene—an antioxidant similar in structure to beta-carotene. Most lycopene in our diet comes from tomatoes, though traces of lycopene exist in other foods. Lycopene inhibits the proliferation of cancer cells in test tube research.21

A review of published research found that higher intake of tomatoes or higher blood levels of lycopene correlated with protection from cancer in 57 of 72 studies. Findings in 35 of these studies were statistically significant.22 Evidence of a protective effect for tomato consumption was strongest for cancers of the prostate, lung, and stomach, but some evidence of a protective effect also appeared for cancers of the pancreas, colon, rectum, esophagus (throat), mouth, breast, and cervix.

Cruciferous vegetables
Cabbage, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, and cauliflower belong to the Brassica family of vegetables, also known as “cruciferous” vegetables. In test tube and animal studies, these foods have been associated with anticancer activity,23 possibly due to several substances found in these foods, such as indole-3-carbinol,24 glucaric acid (calcium D-glucarate),25 and sulforaphane.26 In a preliminary human study, people who ate cruciferous vegetables were reported to have a lower-than-average risk for bladder cancer.27

Fish
Fish eaters have been reported to have low risks of cancers of the mouth, throat, stomach, colon, rectum, pancreas,32 lung,33 breast,34 and prostate.35 The omega-3 fatty acids found in fish are thought by some researchers to be the components of fish responsible for protection against cancer.36

Dietary Fat
In studying data from country to country, incidence of ovarian cancer correlates with dietary fat intake.52 According to preliminary research, consumption of saturated fat, dietary cholesterol (as found in eggs),53 and animal fat in general54 correlates with the risk of ovarian cancer.

Preliminary studies suggest dietary fat may correlate with the risk of uterine cancer.55 Some of the excess risk appears to result from increased body weight that results from a high-fat diet.56

Many years ago, researchers reported that animals on a high-fat diet formed skin cancers more rapidly than did other animals.57 Although some preliminary human research has found no relationship between dietary fat intake and the risk of skin cancer,58 patients with basal cell and squamous cell skin cancers who were put on a low-fat diet for two years were reported to show a significant decrease in the number of new skin cancers compared with patients who maintained a high-fat diet.59 Similarly, precancerous lesions of the skin have been prevented in people put on a low-fat diet.60

Polyunsaturated Fats
In animal research, the consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids increases the risk of some cancers.61 However, in humans, most,62 63 64 though not all,65 reports do not find an association between polyunsaturates and cancer risks."

[phyto]

"Dietary changes that may be helpful
All forms of sugar (including honey) interfere with the ability of white blood cells to destroy bacteria.1 2 Animal studies suggest diets high in sucrose (table sugar) impair some aspects of immune function.3 4 The importance of these effects in the prevention of infections in humans remains unclear.

Alcohol intake, including single episodes of moderate consumption, interferes with a wide variety of immune defenses.5 6 Alcohol’s immune-suppressive effect may be one mechanism for the association between alcohol intake and certain cancers7 and infections.8 9 However, moderate alcohol consumption (up to three to four drinks per day) has been associated in preliminary studies with either no risk10 or a decreased risk for upper respiratory infections in young nonsmokers.11

The effect of fats on the immune system is complex and only partially understood. Excessive intake of total dietary fat impairs immune response, but some types of fat may be neutral or even beneficial.12 For example, monounsaturated fats, as found in olive oil, appear to have no detrimental effect on the immune system in humans at reasonable dietary levels.13

Research on the effect of the omega-3 fatty acids that are abundant in some fish, fish oils, and flaxseed oil is conflicting. Liquid diets containing omega-3 fatty acids used in hospitals for critically ill people have been shown to improve immune function and reduce infections.14 15 However, in one controlled study in healthy people, a low-fat diet improved or maintained immune function, but when fish was added to increase omega-3 fatty acid intake, immune function was significantly inhibited.16

Supplementation with DHA (an omega-3 fatty acid found in fish oil) in healthy young men has been shown to decrease the activity of immune cells, such as natural killer (NK) cells, and to inhibit certain measures of inflammation in the test tube.17 The anti-inflammatory effects of DHA may be useful in the management of autoimmune disorders; however, such benefits need to be balanced with the potential for increased risk of infections. Other studies suggest that increased oxidative damage might be the reason for the negative effects on the immune system sometimes caused by fish oil, and that increased intake of antioxidants, such as vitamin E, could correct the problem.18

As with omega-3 fatty acids, omega-6 fatty acids (as found in vegetable oils) have also produced conflicting effects on the immune system. Enriching a low-fat diet with omega-6 fatty acids did not impair immunity.19 However, diets high in omega-6 fatty acids have suppressed immunity in other reports.20 21

In summary, low-fat diets with moderate levels of monounsaturated fat from olive oil appear least likely to compromise immune function and may provide small benefits. Conclusions about the desirability of diets high in either omega-3 or omega-6 fatty acid supplementation await further research.

Many studies, in both animals and humans, have demonstrated immune-stimulating effects from yogurt which contains live cultures, such as Lactobacillus acidophilus and other probiotics (friendly bacteria). The effects of probiotics observed in humans include increasing the activity of several types of white blood cells. In preliminary human studies, consumption of live probiotic-containing yogurt has been associated with a reduced incidence of several immune-related diseases, including cancer, infections of the stomach and intestines, and some allergic reactions.22

Lifestyle changes that may be helpful
Both excessive thinness and severe obesity are associated with impaired immune responses.23 Obesity increases the risk of infection, at least in hospitalized patients, according to preliminary research.24 However, these effects may not occur with mild to moderate obesity in otherwise healthy people, and attempts to lose weight through dietary restriction may actually be harmful to the immune system.25 The detrimental effects of both appear to be offset when people regularly perform aerobic exercise.26 27

The effects of exercise on immune function depend on many factors, including frequency and intensity of exercise.28 Regular moderate physical activity has positive effects, at least on some measures of immunity, and has been shown to reduce risk of upper respiratory infection. However, very intense and prolonged exercise, such as running a marathon or overtraining, can, in the short term, actually increase the risk of developing infections.29 The positive effects of moderate exercise on immunity may also partly explain the apparent reduced susceptibility to cancer of physically active people.30"

[phyto]

"Dietary changes that may be helpful
Most dietary studies have found that women consuming high amounts of nutrients from fruits and vegetables have less risk of cervical dysplasia.1 2 Protective effects may be especially strong from diets high in dark yellow/orange vegetables (carrots, winter squash, etc.)3 and tomatoes.4 5

Lifestyle changes that may be helpful
Cigarette smoking increases the risk of cervical dysplasia,6 7 8 and increases the likelihood that mild forms of dysplasia will progress to more severe forms.9 10 Quitting smoking and avoiding exposure to secondhand smoke are essential for this and many other health reasons."

[phyto]

Još svima isprika zbog ovolikih postova,ali bolje da imate sve na jednom mjestu (kako je već netko rekao).
Da sam mogao postao bih samo linkove no svaki put link odvede ljude na glavnu stranicu pa nitko ne pronađe ono na što sam ja uputio (točnije mislio da upućujem).

[iwchy]

plavka kaže:

Jesi radila briseve i tipizaciju hpv odmah kod prvog lošeg nalaza CIN I ?

jok..nis
taj prvi je bio negdje 2003. CIN I i upitnik na hpv..
ova moja ex dr je rekla da je to najvjerojatnije od hpv-a, al kao da nema smisla bacati pare na test..uvalila mi jednu kuru nekih vaginaleta, i rekla da pricekamo iduci papa test..
kako su jedno 3 pape nakon toga bile ok, vise tad nismo nis ni radili..

kad se ponovno pojavio CIN I, onda smo odmah napravili tipizaciju..pitala je ja da napravimo i druge briseve al me izignorirala, kao i Ljubo
i jos uvijek nisam napravila ostale..uff
al imam to u planu

[sunchana123]

Iwchy, samo što su ti brisevi kod privatnika dosta skupi. Najbolje da ti socijalnog ginek natjeraš da ti ih uzme.
Ja sam rekla da bi ih opet napravila, da budem 100% sigurna, ali naravno da i moja štedi na sve strane, rekla sam da ću se morati zlagati kako sam ne znam šta radila, pa neka mi to obavi.

[Suey]

phyto svaka cast!

zasto se zeleni caj ne preporucuje ako koristimo oralnu kontracepciju? ja se bas uhvatila tog caja u zadnje vrijeme, znaci nece mi pomoci?

a s druge strane, folna kiselina ima ucinak ako se kontracepcija uzima.

bas sam jucer citala o aromaterapiji u jednom starijem izdanju casopisa o iscjeljiteljima i zanima me ova mjesavima ulja za hpv. kome da se obratim uopce, citala sam da treba paziti s tim etericnim uljima jer neki nemaju prava, vec valjda sintetska, ne znam bas jesam li dobro rekla jer se ne razumijem u to. koliko to kosta, vrijede li oni brojevi mobitela navedeni tamo i koliko su djevojke s CIN III imale uspjeha s takvom terapijom? imas li kakvih saznanja o drugim oblicima alternativne medicine, odnosno, bioenergija i lijecenje kristalima primjerice? mislim da mozda klasicna medicina nema sve odgovore na to, a bitno je da se alternativna i klasicna medicina medjusobno ne iskljucuju pa mozda i tu treba traziti pomoc. znam slucaj kada je bioenergeticar djevojci CIN III, vec jednom je bila na lletz i opet je trebala ici, vratio na uredan nalaz, i sada je tome vec 5 godina!