[duvdevan]

so,now that you helped us confirm the fact that israel is a democracy,where people are allowed to have different opinions,i am curious to know if you will follow this with your opinion on,let's say, presence of arab parties in israeli political life and their presence in the knesset?
i am sure , people on the forum would like to know their political programs and explanation of a possibility that some of their members regularly speak to the public,at the knesset or through israeli media,comparing IDF with the nazis,or calling the defence minister or the prime minister ''a war criminal''?without being hurt or thrown to jail(let alone being hanged, or having their hands cut off...)

flowers kaže:
How exactly are they different from Hamas extremists? Islamic Jihad? Did they ever back a two state solution even?

this is just another,pathetic, attempt to justify suicide bombings and attacks on israeli civilians.although,ther is a certain number of forum members that accept this rationale it is ,simply,a lie.
better luck,next time.

flowers kaže:
The only party in Israel that basically supports a Palestinian state with little or no reservations is Yachad (a merger with Meretz). They mention the Green Line etc (at least in their draft manifesto, which I checked before the party was officially formed, so it might have changed, but I doubt it).

what's your point?that if labor or likud or anyone else for that matter,have reservations about the palestinian state(and it's impact on israeli security,and it's very existance)they are...what? terrorists?it is the palestinians(including arafat), whose constant referring to all of israel, as occupied palestinian land, that instigate those reservations,suicide bombings notwithstanding.

flowers kaže:
The "bitter experience of Oslo" teaches that such a result would be a "strategic threat" to Israel.

gee... i wander what this ''bitter experience of oslo'' might be?

flowers kaže:
Labor and Likud still fall below Fatah and the PLO. Labor didn't even come close until the 1993 declaration of principles - a stand the PLO had reached at least in 1988, but arguably in 1976.

yeah,right...


hamas says,all of palestine is ours and we want to liberate it from the river to the sea,in one blow.but,fatah, which leads the plo,feels that a fased plan must be pursued.both sides agree on the final objective.the difference between them is on the way to get there.rafiq natshe,a member of the fatah central comimtee and plo representative to saudi arabia. 26.12.1989. al-quabas newspaper,kuwait

the palestinian people's struggle, will continue until the complete liberation of the palestinian land...the palestinian people's struggle ought to be assisted until the complete liberation of palestine from the (jordan) river to the sea.
yasser arafat,quoted by Libian news agency,may 1st 1990.

...sooner or later,we must force israeli society to collaborate with a greater society,our own arab society,and later we will bring about the gradual dissolution of the zionist entity.
feisal al husseini, november 12th,1992. al-rai newspaper,jordan( just weeks before being recived in the white house by president bush in december 1992.)